[Closed] HR Legal advice Please... getting rid of dodgy staff

geordiemick00 - Member

3)Why should I resign from my job??

No need to. At work you will [b]find maggots all over on both sides[/b] so y[b]ou might a good manager but your subordinates might be bunch of maggots vice versa[/b].

Okay ... used to be in HR long long time ago ...

1. Intention. To fire someone you need to adopt the politically correct mindset (especially in the UK). i.e. to be seen as helping or giving the person plenty of chances to improve. Usually incorporating certain realistic programme(s) for that person. Who knows you might be able to really turn a person around in a good way.

Is this a bloody bike forum or an "introduce yourself, what car you drive and what your job is" forum. Either you've all got tiny dicks or you really love talking about your jobs way* too much. Get off the computer, swing your fat legs over your bicycle and stop ranting about your employees on an internet thread.

3)Why should I resign from my job?? I've come on here for opinions as the company I work for have left me in a position because their 'old family firm' of solicitors have left me in a position where they won't give an opinion either way. I thought that the plethora of STW armchair lawyers would have come up with something but instead, just like when someone posts up about BMW, Audi etc the envy mongers come out of their cave's and start getting personal because they got shit jobs and drive shit cars.......

Because you're a terrible manager and you appear to have been born without a backbone. Take the bloody thread down and 'deal' with it professionally. And this isn't about envy mongers... i'm pretty sure no one would want to work with you, that's for sure - It's about you being a pretentious dick talking about your "employees" (if they really exist) behind their back on a public forum (a bike one too I may add) saying how terrible they are. Ironic really when you're accusing him of being unprofessional.

Is this a bloody bike forum or an "introduce yourself, what car you drive and what your job is" forum.

It's a chat forum, the Bike forum is the other one.

[quote=nukeproofriding ]Is this a bloody bike forum or an "introduce yourself, what car you drive and what your job is" forum. ....
Actually, this is the CHAT forum, so nothing to do with bikes at all.

It's a chat forum, the Bike forum is the other one.

Still can't believe this hasn't been taken down.

Has anyone reported it? Anyone asked for it to be taken down?

Of course, I could have reported your use of the word "bullshit", but I don't feel the need to.....

Of course, I could have reported your use of the word "bullshit", but I don't feel the need to.....

nukeproofriding - Member
Get off the computer, swing your fat legs over your bicycle and stop ranting about your employees on an internet thread.

Is anyone else sensing some AWESOME here?

Is anyone else sensing some AWESOME here?

For a moment there i thought it was just me!

To quote some more management BS, I have a sense of Deja poo

If it makes your day... go for it.

I don't feel the need to....

Nukeproofriding, so if we start to talk about bikes in the chat forum, what do we talk about in the bike forum? Cheese? Do you even know where the bike forum is? As you've never posted in there? In fact you've only ever posted in this one thread!

Now, do the decent thing, what you have been promising to do, and (insert word/phrase of choice here) off.

Do you even know where the bike forum is? As you've never posted in there? In fact you've only ever posted in this one thread!

Hadn't noticed that....

Perhaps he's a stressed out salesman who misses targets and has done a bit of googling about his manager, trying to find a bit of dirt, found a link to his stw profile and looked in on a few of his managers posts..... Uh oh...

It's still a part of singletrackworld, which is... a bike forum.

Noooo! It's the Chat Forum, it was setup for people to talk about such things as there is a little community here so people often ask for advice. It hasn't been taken down as it does not break any rules and so far until late it hasn't been too bad with insult so no need for it to be closed.

Agreed.

it hasn't been too bad with insult so no need for it to be closed.

I could help with that by calling the OP a ****ing cockknocker with **** all sense who appears to be in a management position without being able to manage his staff?

Surely cockknocker needs to be on the swear filter?

okay.. you ve found yourself in a situation and need help to manage a way out.

firstly get the guy in for a formal interview, tell him in advance that its about supporting him achieve his sales targets..

ask him in and ask these questions..

how do you think you are doing
how can we help you more
get someone to note and log these questions and answers.

then

tell him you ve identified that he needs support planning his day so each friday ask him to e mail you with his diary for the next week before noon and then to email you am with his appts that day and each pm with his appts completed

thatll help him forward plan and you know what and where he is

you can check if hes been as each appt will be a sale..

agree with him targets for each week going forward make then equalt to about 60% of his annual target

ask him for his weekly totals to be email to you by noon each friday

let that run for 28 days.. failure to stick to it.. written warning.. failure to fulfill agreed abjectives..

after your meeting next week put all that in a nice flowery letter emphasising how this is to help him how you ve listened and agreed a plan etc etc

three things will likely happen..

he wont come in as he is stressed, he sell a tonne of stuff or he wont 3 months will give him opportunity to prove his worth or dig his grave

Surely cockknocker needs to be on the swear filter?

Of course not. Only a cockknocker would think that.

perhaps the OP has read this thread, [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/executive-time-managament ]http://singletrackworld.executive-time-managament[/url], and is in the process of building [s]a group of yes men[/s] a good team around himself*.
* I believe this is the correct business term.

totalshell - perfect. Exactly the way to do it. End of the day, he's failing so by offering all the tools and support, he'll either raise his game or give a decent excuse to sack him without fear of recourse.

Something that has been overlooked is the negative effect on a sales team if they have a 'passenger' - hits morale very quickly.

Secondly, a sales manager will usually have part of their wages paid as an override of their team's revenues against target. If this rep is underperforming seemingly through lack of care, he is directly hitting his manager's take home pay so IMO the OP has every right to feel aggvrieved.

Nukeproofriding, so if we start to talk about bikes in the chat forum, what do we talk about in the bike forum? Cheese? Do you even know where the bike forum is? As you've never posted in there? In fact you've only ever posted in this one thread!

Now, do the decent thing, what you have been promising to do, and (insert word/phrase of choice here) off.

honestly, I can't believe how many assumptions have been made in four pages. I've inherited a complete ****tard of a salesman who's been left to his own deceitful devices by my firm who basically have no management. The owner is retired to the golf course and in the space of two months I've stepped in to manage £5m of business that has all landed at once and in the process deal with this fella in question.

My mis-management/lack of management isn't the reason why he's where he is, he's there because he's been allowed to draw a wage for the last 12 months and effectively take the piss.

Well said. Let me know how you get on.

the ethernet cable for my xbox is broken.

I see.

All your arguments have now been rendered invalid, on account of you being 14. Now run along, your mum has just said your dinner is ready. Be sure to give her a kiss from me.

Unfortunately G.Mick this place is full of ****tards (clearly demonstrated by SOME of the replies to this thread) so I would advise you to take the advice from the helpful genuine posts on here and seek professional help.

You prob don't want to listen to me though as I have an Xbox too (but am 32 not 14) What was I saying about ****tards.....Right back to call of duty. Good luck anyway mate.

I see.

All your arguments have now been rendered invalid, on account of you being 14. Now run along, your mum has just said your dinner is ready. Be sure to give her a kiss from me.

Likewise. Dig out your receipts because your sense of humour is broken. Oh, a mum joke. How original, what year are you stuck in? You work for a borough council don't you? You sound like a barrel of laughs! I bet you have some brilliant parties! Fondu followed by some rebellious pictionary? Oh my!

Unfortunately G.Mick this place is full of ****tards (clearly demonstrated by SOME of the replies to this thread) so I would advise you to take the advice from the helpful genuine posts on here and seek professional help.

You prob don't want to listen to me though as I have an Xbox too (but am 32 not 14! What was I saying about ****tards.....

Us xbox owners have an inferior dna strain that subjects us to a life of childishness and automatically invalidates everything we say. It's true.

this place is full of ****tards (clearly demonstrated by SOME of the replies to this thread) so I would advise you to take the advice from the helpful genuine posts on here and seek professional help.

For someone who has only just [s]re[/s]joined the forum, you seem to have formed an opinion very quickly.....

honestly, I can't believe how many assumptions have been made in four pages. I've inherited a complete ****tard of a salesman who's been left to his own deceitful devices by my firm who basically have no management. The owner is retired to the golf course and in the space of two months I've stepped in to manage £5m of business that has all landed at once and in the process deal with this fella in question.

Welcome to the world of adulthood and thus responsibility. Grow a pair and deal with it the right way. That's what separates those who are and aren't "****tards". Currently you are just as much the former as your "employee".

great to see 'office' folk squabbling 😆

great to see 'office' folk squabbling

This would be funny if it wasn't about someone's life/future. Maybe not the ideal place to assassinate someone who can't defend himself. That's sales for you l suppose

nukeproofriding - what a ghastly creature you are, why not go back under your bridge.

Sales-- very self important, specialist language, dirty tricks, stab vests needed front and rear, no wonder years of working in that environment turns you into a willy loman !

nukeproofriding - what a ghastly creature you are, why not go back under your bridge.

CG you are doing a disservice to ghastly creatures.

What a vitriol-filled thread. Haven't seen one like it for a wee while.

Totalshell has it.

GM00- I feel for you. I'm a sales engineer for a big telco and I see the damage these hangers-on can do. You need to manage him out, and soon. You also need to send someone good and trustworthy round customers (existing and potential) he has had proven contact with, as soon as. Having had to clear up the technical messes these idiots can cause when unsupervised, you need to know what he's been talking to them about.

CG you are doing a disservice to ghastly creatures.

😆

I'm laughing at the new guy bit....

got a neck that needs oiling, so i'm ooot 8)

@Geordeimick - sounds like the better decision would be for you to take control of the situation by finding yourself a better employer (if the owner doesn't GAF as you suggest). Leave them to their devices.

That is, AFAICT, the one great thing about working in sales: you guys walk in and out of jobs without much trouble.

Rest of us just clear up the mess.... 😉

I'm laughing at the new guy bit....

It's because you aren't new.

But you knew that.

...and I notice you've added a location; That London, and you suggest that you ride downhill too.

Not new.