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Still we are not all of us, like most of you lot, so there is yet hope!
That is definitely going to be the next tattoo...
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Who wins?
Me.
If it's a "not ranting like a madman" competition.
I was going to comment on this but then quickly realised that if you don't literally live the life of a saint you will be quickly reminded that you are not in a position to comment... On anything.
I think some of you ought to take a look at what you're saying to kaesae. A lot of it reads as, erm, unfriendly and personal to say the least. A bit disappointing.
This thread is brilliant, please continue...
actually i think i should say that I probably would agree with kaesae, but his arguments are perhaps not the best thought out. There is no need to be offensive though, and if you cant sympathise with his views at least a little bit, I feel quite sorry for you.
kaesae - MemberSeismic activity on this planet has increased to the point that it is knocking the world off it's very axis
Is it [i]really?[/i]
I think some of you ought to take a look at what you're saying to kaesae. A lot of it reads as, erm, unfriendly and personal to say the least. A bit disappointing.
Quite..... 😕 Very poor.. He's helped loads out on here, if you don't agree with what he says on a public forum, say why' don't resort to insults
Allthough I have a vague memory he likes Bon jovi,..so he might be a **** after all!!! 😀
I agree with Kaesae personally. The insults towards him simply come from deep seated self hatred. 😀
Kutla gonna pop I reckon. Could be quite disruptive.
I think the remark about competing, winning and breeding in our local tribe/environment is the reason we fail to respond to global environmental/resource problems. When the resources get really scarce, tribes will do what they always do - go to war.
My questions to keasae are:
"How much wealth (for all in society, without exception) is sufficient?"
"How should we legally re-distribute wealth and opportunity evenly?"
"Without capital-rich individuals to invest, how will expensive but important developments and projects be funded?"
The insults towards him simply come from deep seated self hatred
Insults?
Insults?
Vitriol then.
It's not hard to understand, while we are distracted by our persuit of money and possesions, we fail to see that the world around us and that gave birth to our race, is changing in such a fashion that it is less habitable and that we are not adapting to the changes that are occuring.
No need for flowery words or long drawn out explanations, seizmic activity is increasing, including volcanic erruptions and earth quakes, also the weather is becoming more and more extreme and unpredictable, flash floods, excessive wind speeds and lots more.
I'm not talking about flowery hippy bullshit, I'm talking about how these factors effect our lives here and now. The earth quake in iceland should have set alarm bells ringing, instead of seeing it as a continued escalation of a global problem, we seem to think it was some kind of volcano stropp.
Something is happening to this world and unless any of us have a plan to get the **** off it! I ould suggest that the time to start working together to sort it is now!
Ignoring global events which are themselves [s]other peoples problems[/s] escalating and only focusing on what effects us here in the UK, we can still see that the situation is deteriorating.
So back to the initial question, how the **** have we become so distracted with nonsense that we do not care or have any concern for these matters.
What will it take for us to give a shit about our future as a race ❓
Vitriol then.
Vitriol?
And what exactly is "our race"?
dondon, no need to be deliberately obtuse. You know what's meant.
kaesae - Member[b]It's not hard to understand, while we are distracted by our persuit of money[/b]
kaesae - Member[b]and as for the money, I would rather have that as well.[/b]
Hmmm....
So back to the initial question, how the **** have we become so distracted with nonsense that we do not care or have any concern for these matters
I don't think we've become distracted. We didn't use to know about these problems, therefore they weren't issues... ignorance, maybe, was bliss?
I think the OP started the personal abusing by tarring us all with the same greedy brush. I'm prepared to forgive.
I didn't realise you were so sensitive iDave. Aww. 🙂
(don't mention the lime green Bentley).
Earthquakes and seismic activity are about the only crappy things happening we're NOT actually responsible for.
Although plonking shoddy buildings filled with piles of quietly fizzing uranium near faultlines certainly doesn't help.
Hmm, lime green Bentley would look good with purple suede interior..
dondon, no need to be deliberately obtuse. You know what's meant.
Just found one post that I'd consider out of order.
Forgiven?
A lot of it is a result of society's lack of understanding of the direct relationship between 'the environment' and what we value in our everyday life (air to breath, clean water etc). And because most people don't focus on the direct connnection, when asked what concerns them, then most don't think about the environment. And if 'people' aren't bothered, then politicians aren't either. So that's something that some of us are devoting the majority of our lives to try and redress.
So for those of you who can't sleep and fancy some bedtime reading, here's a few examples:
http://uknea.unep-wcmc.org/Home/tabid/38/Default.aspx
http://www.maweb.org/en/index.aspx
http://www.valuing-nature.net/
Otherwise .. back to ranting 🙂
kaesae - MemberNo need for flowery words or long drawn out explanations, seizmic activity is increasing,
Is it [i]really[/i] though?
its too late.
all this extreme weather is all part of natures recovery program.
the high winds fell tress which the nature hopes will eventually get turned to coal and oil, replacing vital exploited material.
it also spreads seeds to replant lost plant life. water. As more and more forests etc get cut down and more concrete jungles get built, there is less oxygen produced, so nature is just trying to recover and retain life on this planet.
Much in nature is having to adapt to a changing world, can we as a race.
some can, some cannot, mostly can't.
And because most people don't focus on the direct connnection, when asked what concerns them, then most don't think about the environment.
Equally I think there's an area where people don't understand the language or make the connection.
Increased CO2 emissions = Climate change = warmer summers = Air conditioning to cool down = Well duh!
When we should be looking at the passive solutions.
Beyond that, there's not much more I can do.
If only we all had shutters to stop our homes heating up......
If only we all had shutters to stop our homes heating up......
Don't forget to help prevent heat loss in the winter....
*sigh*
Climate change is a tough one - it's scientifically complex and socially challenged.
A more interesting example if the relationship between the importance of upland moorland in rainwater absorbtion and the prevention of flooding of houses downstream. People are fairly concerned about the possiblity of flooding, but rarely make the connection with a distant area of moorland.
Until we make those connections more transparent and widely understood then society will continue to undervalue the importance of the environment.
Plus, it's not really a question of 'wealth' or the 'environment'. It's more important to get across the relationship between the environment and economic benefits. I'm sure you all read the ground breaking TEEB report when it was published last year 🙂 But in case you didn't, here's a copy to complete your bedtime reading:
Enjoy!
A more interesting example if the relationship between the importance of upland moorland in rainwater absorbtion and the prevention of flooding of houses downstream. People are fairly concerned about the possiblity of flooding, but rarely make the connection with a distant area of moorland.
I think what people see, and what it's like around here, is that any flooding is due to poor local authority maintenance of culvets and the uplands are too far away and too distant, as you say.
Too much info and alot won't understand, it has to be bite size, understandable and have that direct connection.
But also that everyone can make a few, small changes that will have a colectively, greater effect.
Does nealglover ever post anything positive or is it all just ranting insults?
I actually feel sorry for the people for who the pursuit of materialistic goals drives them - what sad empty lives they lead
Does nealglover ever post anything positive [b]or is it all just ranting insults[/b]?I actually feel sorry for the people for who the pursuit of materialistic goals drives them - [b]what sad empty lives they lead[/b]
Fair enough, it's not exactly a rant, but..... 😀
Have you ever thought of using Killfile TJ, then you wouldn't have to suffer?
I actually feel sorry for the people for who the pursuit of materialistic goals drives them - what sad empty lives they lead
Don't worry TJ they'll be happy and no doubt think you are some sort of sad misguided grumbleton who's only happy when he can have a good moan about others
I don't think a lot of them are happy - I see a lot of angst and stress in them.
Again, better if read in a Yoda voice. Amazingingly wise stuff...
...although you might wanna change the word [i]see[/i] to [i]sense[/i] for effect and clarity.
If Richard Branson, or Alan Sugar, or similar came on here decrying ownership of material possessions - and then backed up their rant with moral evidence of their beliefs, then I might sit up and take note.
Sadly, as it is, those that moan most about materialism, generally tend to be those that have the least means to obtain said material possessions, ergo it comes across as bitterness, or self justification of a meagre existance that one has become saddled with.
I read that as rather pompous, but it was my initial thoughts, so I CBA to go back and edit it.
People can be well off, have a life full of material goods and also fulfillment of various natures and be very happy TJ and I'm not talking about myself - I'm horrendously cash poor as it happens.
I'm also a bit pissed, so not even sure if I'm making sense 😉
Does nealglover ever post anything positive or is it all just ranting insults?
I've helped a fair few people on here with information on insulating hard to treat properties way beyond "normal" standards. which is what I do for a living.
Both on the forum, and via email. Free advice from professional tradesman isn't always easy to come by.
Oddly enough, helping them to reduce their bills and use less energy.
I just don't like people ranting about things they don't seem to know a lot about.
I mean, come on. "seismic activity that's knocking the earth off it's Axis" ???!
That's believable eh ?
nealglover - MemberI mean, come on. "seismic activity that's knocking the earth off it's Axis" ???!
Ssh, I'm still hoping he's going to try to prove that.
buzz-lightyear - MemberKutla gonna pop I reckon. Could be quite disruptive.
Agreed and very soon.
I think the remark about competing, winning and breeding in our local tribe/environment is the reason we fail to respond to global environmental/resource problems. When the resources get really scarce, tribes will do what they always do - go to war.
My questions to keasae are:
"How much wealth (for all in society, without exception) is sufficient?"
Not all in society could be part of a movement that was dedicated to improving circumstances and enhancing quality of life for those involved.
Some would rather argue or fight, than work together to accomplish goals, these disruptive elements could not be involved if any endevour is to succeed. All involved would need to agree to share what is gained from mutual cooperation, equally.
"How should we legally re-distribute wealth and opportunity evenly?"
You are thinking in terms of society as a whole, there is no hope for society as a whole in our culture. Not without great individual change and the average person searching deep inside themselves is not gonna happen.
Individuals should be paid based on what they contribute to the collective group and how much reasources they can aquire, cut out the rich and powerful and you have a lot more to go around, do you not ❓
"Without capital-rich individuals to invest, how will expensive but important developments and projects be funded?"
If we only invest our resources in companies that we have some measure of control over and that are willing to show us where the money is going, then we can fund more and more with our own money.
With effective efficient management of resources a little can go a long way, do not be fooled into thinking that how it is now, is how it must be, every small business, every sole trader, everyone who has taken very little and created something, a company, a beautiful garden, developed a property, has the ability to manage resources and see growth and development, however those that are in charge of our resources, have shown us time and time again, they do not posses this ability.
The majority of a people will always have power, the question is will we choose to exercise that power.
Now is the time for a new way of thinking and viewing our existence, if not now, then when ❓ and if not us ❓ then who ❓
The earths axis has been altered, it is no longer on the same axis that it was, hence why I said that it has been knocked of it's axis.
Do you not understand that the earth's axis isn't fixed? It varies by a little over 2 degrees over its cycle (an average of around 5cm per year, by my back-of-envelope maths). Then there are assorted smaller fluctuations, which have a larger effect but cancel out over a shorter time.
This is just something that planets do. The earth hasn't been "knocked off its axis", it has just changed its axis by a tiny amount, which is nothing out of the ordinary at all, and is just a small part of the greater fluctuations in tilt.
(just for points of comparison- a 1 degree shift is around 110km. The estimates of the movement caused by the quake vary a lot but call it 20cm for ease of maths- that's 1/5000th of a degree, less than the short-term changes to earth's axial tilt caused by tidal forces from the moon)
Or in other words- don't worry about it. You won't read in the papers tomorrow "Moon pulls earth off its axis".