[Closed] Horribleness in films

I think it's designed as a talking point that encourages people to put their thoughts on a forum.
Publicity, innit?
Is this on the tele or a dvd?

Have you read the book? The biggest thing you come out with from the book is that spying is a horrible grubby business where the ends justify the means. I expect they're trying to re-inforce that point.

Watch Dead Mans Shoes .....too many horrible scenes.

Watch Tyrranosaur where he kicks his own dog to death.

Watch Nil by Mouth.

Just movies innit ......

i'd stay away from anything with paddy considine written anywhere on the box if i was you then

ha, SNAP!

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(dead mans shoes is amazing)

The biggest thing you come out with from the book is that spying is a horrible grubby business where the ends justify the means. I expect they're trying to re-inforce that point

I've seen plenty of films where passers by get shot. Even that's not necessary.. there's got to be a more intelligent and less upsetting way to put the point across. Right in the first flippin scene too. I don't know any of the characters by that point so why bother telling me how bad they all are. I don't even know them.

Several steps too far, to be honest.

what tron above says.. it's setting the scene..

If you're that way inclined surely there's more than enough abominations against nature to get your knickers in a twist about just on Saturday night prime time TV, never mind Channel 4, MTV, Hollywood or Paddy flippin' Considine..

I guess there are varying levels of sanitization - presumably this is trying ot be a bit more real.

I don't see it as a bad thing myself.

Pft, man up. Films shouldn't all be nice and cuddly. If they show violence and it makes you feel a bit ill without going over the top with the gore (Reservoir Dogs is incredibly nasty/violent while showing very little) then thats probably a good thing as its challenging your emotion and the way that these things are usually portrayed. As above, it can also tell you a lot about the characters/film as a whole.

I like Agatha Christie's Poirot and Columbo ...

It's not me getting my knickers in a twist. It's a terribly upsetting scene, and no I don't see stuff as bad as that on prime time.

I think the film would have been no different without that scene in.. well.. the plot and the scene setting. It'd have been a lot less nasty.

Pft, man up. Films shouldn't all be nice and cuddly

That's not what I'm saying.

A passer by could have been shot, but what they showed was several steps too far, seriously.

I turned off antichrist. After the nastiness started, I checked a plit synopsis on IMDB and decided that I didn't need to see any more of it.

I don't generally have a problem with such things, but that wasn't for me.

Don't watch 'that moment' in American History X, whatever you do.

So the film is about espionage, hit men etc.

Folk get killed....innocents too.

You want to pretend that's not happening?

The wallpaper in that Kathy Burke's bedroom is just as bad to be honest. Gratuitously nasty.

You want to pretend that's not happening?

They can show it, they can talk about it, but they don't need to drive it home so upsettingly. So they are bad people, right, I get it, I don't need it spelling out like that.

There's not even any point to it. It's a spy novel not a docu drama about an atrocity. If you needed to expose a terrible holocaust that's been overlooked by creative history telling or whatever, then you might need to show some nasty stuff, but this is supposed to be just an entertaining film, isn't it?

Or is it a hard hitting expose of nasty people from 40 years ago? Somehow I don't think so.

Don't watch 'that moment' in American History X, whatever you do.

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I must've missed the opening scene when I started watching it on the plane then. Couple of old blokes bimbling about in John Hurt's flat or something was what I saw. Got bored and watched "Drive" (which was trash).

(which was trash)

Awesome trash with an awesome soundtrack.

this is supposed to be just an entertaining film, isn't it?

what certificate is it..?

I'm with Molgrips.
Haven't seen the particular film but I think there is an increasing trend towards gore and violence in films.
As for American History X that violence was part of the story so is warranted. Close ups of shot mothers is not needed for the narrative.

There's a bit before the credits where some guy meets some other guy in Budapest. I'm bored already to be honest. Just don't care. So, there was lots of dodgy dealing and skulduggery in the cold war. Ok, got that.

Awesome trash with an awesome soundtrack.

yeh margin im with you. gritty to the extreme, but great films all the same.

Haven't seen the particular film but I think there is an increasing trend towards gore and violence in films.

Daily Mail website is thataway>>>>

you guys are getting old.. 😉

You've got young kids don't you mol?

What you have to realise is that when your kids were born your treacherous body released a ton of oestrogen into your system and reduced the testerone level a bit while it was at it.

This cunning trick is designed to stop you murdering your children when they wake you up at 3am. But the side effect is that you get a bit emotional at films, particularly those involving babies or young children - while those outside of this wonder what the big issue is.

I remember watching a film on a plane (not sure of title, but it's a revenge film). In the opening scene the guys family are killed with his wife being raped as she bled to death in front of him while he could do nothing to stop it.

Films never really bothered me before, but I had to switch it off and that scene has haunted me for two years now.

molgrips - Member
They can show it, they can talk about it, but they don't need to drive it home so upsettingly. So they are bad people, right, I get it, I [s]don't need it spelling out like that.[/s] [u]just want it sanitised.[/u]

The scene is grim for a reason, so that the viewer gets the idea that spying is deeply involved with the society we accept as normal. It seems to have done what it should have...

Don't watch 'that moment' in American History X, whatever you do.

First thing I thought of when I read the OP.

I'm very thick skinned, and that made me squirm somewhat.

Saving money IMO. If you have a long shot on sick stuff no one notices how much money you saved on minutes of dialogue.

Lazy too. Gratuitous stuff is easy to do.

while those outside of this wonder what the big issue is.

I've a five week old son asleep in his crib not three yards from where I'm sitting.. admittedly I don't well up when I see his mannerisms in every calf/lamb/puppy/foal that I pass like I did with my firstborn but I'm still very far from coldhearted..

I think if you pay to watch a film with adult themes.. please don't be surprised and upset when you encounter adult themes.. and if you're shocked and horrified it's generally because the film maker wanted you to be..

...and try to read 'The Second Oldest Profession' by Phillip Knightley, keeping that image in your head as you do so.

What you have to realise is that when your kids were born your treacherous body released a ton of oestrogen into your system and reduced the testerone level a bit while it was at it

Possibly.. but I also turned off Reservoir Dogs at the bit where they torture the cop, and I was only 21 then.

Al - yes I do want it sanitised. It's entertainment not a history lesson. I am quite capable of knowing something historical happened and understanding that, without needing to see it.

The scene is grim for a reason, so that the viewer gets the idea that spying is deeply involved with the society we accept as normal

So, if the woman had been on her own and shot, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Would that have made the film worse?

Btw I didn't rent this, Love Film sent it to me.

The razor blade scene in Un prophète, is an another fun one.

The Road

Compared to the book,the film was almost cheerful.

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So you only feel upset because she has a child?

Lie on the couch....

I suspect the reaction you have reported suggests more about you than it does about the film, and that would fit with your revealed persona on here; married, newish father, over-analytical, self critical, slightly over ideal weight, left femur 0.75 cms shorter than the right, eats carrots but doesn't like them, secretly admires people who appear not to care about public opinion, prefers a dark coloured sock and would buy two pairs of a trousers that fitted well.

Am I right?

I kinda agree with Molgrips here and can also see the sense in what Graham S says.

Not bad, crikey on details but I suspect the overall picture is not quite right. You probably haven't met anyone like me so you can't stereotype well 🙂 And I only bought two pairs of suit trousers cos of being slightly over ideal weight 🙂

The thing is, we're all used to seeing people killed in films, that's not really a problem for me. However, when you really think about it, premature violent death is a really awful thing. So when they force me to think about by really labouring the point or going to some new degree of shock, my brain just pulls up these profoundly terrible emotions and I get upset.

The child in that film was the extra aspect that made it upsetting, yes. Probably made much worse because we have our own breast feeding infant currently.

I have no problem with violence in films - as I've said American History X is a great film, Oldboy is one of my favorites. My problem is with lazy producers/writers etc who show gratuitous gore because they aren't clever enough to keep your attention any other way.

Well yes that's bad for a different reason magowen.

For the record I've got no problem with gore either, although Mrs Grips does.

It all comes down to empathy, doesn't it?

I was mainly describing me, apart from the new father bit...
I'm maybe a bit less upset by that sort of thing because, well, I've seen it close up, and dealt with the immediate fallout, the families, the mums and dads, the children in real life. That doesn't make me special, nor does it lessen the tragedy, but I view it as fiction.

Fat Face Chinos are worth the second pair...

In your case it appears to be about temporarily heightened "empathy"/self focus. Just like the guy on that paed thread.

i'll add kill list into the mix. oh....and 'a serbian film'. now that is f*cked up