[Closed] Hopefully she won't be given back to her parents

Parents, in the Pub down the street, with friends.

Anyone else think the artists impression:
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looks a bit like this:
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TBH I don't really know where it was, I didn't take much notice.

To balance this up a bit, I once got lost in Cape Kennedy Airport as a kiddo, I got seperated cos I loved the lifts...
My Parents were there though, they didn't leave me alone.

Trending on twitter so it must be true.

Immature comments??!?!

Pwwleese.. You must have kids to make such pronounced statement.

Facts please someone..

Kid, left alone in a foreign country, alone.
Parents, in the Pub down the street, with friends.
Kid goes missing.

Responsible Parents or not, you make your own mind up but don't play the immature card here, show that to the Parents of the kid whose gone missing.

Tut tut

Plenty of immature comments IMO...
"If found, shouldn't go back to parents " (paraphrased) - FFS get a grip.

If there is a case to answer regarding the parent's having custody, then I'm sure that it will be made the appropriate child protection professionals - the same ones who clearly think it is ok for their other children to stay with them.

If no custody, then again, that would be a professional decision based on the needs of what would likely be a very traumatised child.

Grow Up

stilltortoise

As someone said above, as parents there will come a time when you will [i]have to[/i] leave your children out of sight and earshot

Is getting pissed with friends (as in all your analogies) a 'have to'?

Kate and Gerry McCann do not believe a young girl seen in India is their missing daughter Madeleine, their spokesman said.

*Struggling to comprehend the hatred and bile on this thread*

Not to preempt the result of the dna test, but there could be a couple in India now who might have pretty good cause for anger. And if news is to believed!!! A case for attempted kidnap. I hope they are guilty, 'cos if they aren't, shame on all involved.

I really used to enjoy this forum but sometimes I wonder now. Stilltortoise summed it up, time for bed.

this is not about whether the parents did something stupid, that is a no brainer. The issue is whether you would have sympathy for someone who has done something stupid who now now do not know whether their daughter is alive or not, was abused etc. If you have no sympathy for their plight [ whatever you think of their level of responsibility] then I fell as sorry for you as I do the parents.

*Struggling to comprehend the hatred and bile on this thread*

Maybe something to do with the inordinate amount of attention given to one missing girl because she happened to be white, blonde, and cute? Some of the comments here are well over the top, but personally it offends me the way that lots of people go missing all the time, but no-one really gives that much of a shit unless they fit the above criteria and so provide good tabloid fodder.

Should we not care 'coz she's white and blond then? Is it ok for cute children to be kidnapped?

Don't be silly Junkyard. no one on this forum would ever admit to making a serious mistake(s). I think if they did make this mistake, then their level of guilt and pain is compounded no? must be terrible to feel that and live with that.

I'm with Coyote here, and stilltortoise. The parents were no further away than someone having a barby and drinks in a large garden with the kids in bed upstairs. There have been examples of children being abducted from houses while parents were actually in the house. A really determined paedofile will be clever enough to find a way. The development was supposed to be secure and a good place to have children around, and the parents were checking on them regularly. Heck, there was a news report I saw today where an eighteen month old child managed to get out of the house on it's own while the parents were there, a gift for an opportunist abductor. I'm not a parent, but I'm realistic enough to know that it's impossible to watch a child every second of every day, unless, of course some on here are advocating fitting children with GPS trackers so their whereabouts is known all the time?

I get what you are saying grum, like with The Amy Winehouse thing. So much bad stuff happens, all the time, all over the world, it's too abstract to feel.

so I think, when human pain is put into focus, through the tabloid filter, pop culture, a celebrity, who you have been led to "know" it's an outlet perhaps for some to empathise or be outraged. To vent somehow?

But generally, I think most people "don't give a shit" unless it affects them personally. But everyone knows what it is to Feel. Pain sells.

bobfromkansas - Member

Should we not care 'coz she's white and blond then?

My defining moment of the Maddy Public Grief Orgy- discovering that most of the missing person posters in Glasgow had been taken down and replaced with her posters. Because obviously the usual boring runaways, nervous breakdowns, depressives etc are far less worthy than a cute little girl who went missing in a different country, and is already on the front page of every *ing newspaper and in every *ing TV broadcast.

My point exactly. Regardless what you look like, or do, a loss is a loss. The only real winner here is the media.

Hmmm...Shannon Matthews got quite a bit of publicity despite being from the wrong side of the track.

As for the McCanns, as I've said before, a little bit careless but massively unlucky. It doesn't really surprise me that the same old names pop up with the same bile-ridden hatred for them and faux-disgust at the publicity their case got.

EDIT: Anyway, not having kids, I really oughtn't to be commenting on this thread. Neither should any other childless posters tbh. How could you possibly understand?!?

deadlydarcy - Member

EDIT: Anyway, not having kids, I really oughtn't to be commenting on this thread. Neither should any other childless posters tbh. How could you possibly understand?!?

I don't have kids, but the short time i've spent around young ones has given me a little bit of insight into why you might murder your own and then dispose of the body and claim they were kidnapped. But then, I am famously empathic.

well said Northwind. pain sells. but make the pain marketable and acceptable, to our audience.. etc. no one wants to spend 30p on a paper about some glasgow depressed alco/junkie for example, that's gone missing! it's always a blue eyed kid.

As a mother...

Too much speculation.

I just pray that she is still alive and for those who kidnapped her they should be punished Henry VIII style.

Unbe****inglievable

I understand the grousing about publicity compared to other missing persons - but because of being "blond & cute" (and, unstated, but presumably middle class)??????

Missing pre-teen kids always get a lot of media coverage. Throughout my life there have been a catalogue of youngsters that have gone missing, with corresponding high levels of media coverage. Sadly, the majority were never going to be found alive, but hey, hope is a good thing, no??

Missing pre-teen kids always get a lot of media coverage.

Yeah like this one for instance. Just as much coverage as Maddie eh?

Elizabeth Ogungbayibi
Reference No: 06-016654
Age at disappearance: 5
Missing Since: 26-Sep-2006
Missing from: Manchester
Elizebeth has been missing from Manchester since 29 September 2006. Her current whereabouts are unknown. There is great concern for her and anyone with information is urged to contact the Missing People charity on Freefone 0500 700 700 . Elizebeth is dark-skinned with brown eyes, slim build, and black Afro-style hair.

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https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/elizabethogungbayibi

You may not want to believe it but it's an established fact that the western media is much more interested in stories about certain types of person.

no one wants to spend 30p on a paper about some glasgow depressed alco/junkie for example, that's gone missing! it's always a blue eyed kid.

I thought we estabilished on the Amy Winehouse thread that all addicts have no-one but themselves to blame, and just need to Person The F ck Up?

CountZero - Member
I'm with Coyote here, and stilltortoise. The parents were no further away than someone having a barby and drinks in a large garden with the kids in bed upstairs.

Rubbish

There have been examples of children being abducted from houses while parents were actually in the house.

For example?

A really determined paedofile will be clever enough to find a way.

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The development was supposed to be secure and a good place to have children around, and the parents were checking on them regularly.

No need to lock the doors then.

Heck, there was a news report I saw today where an eighteen month old child managed to get out of the house on it's own while the parents were there, a gift for an opportunist abductor.

They're everywhere!

I'm not a parent, but I'm realistic enough to know that it's impossible to watch a child every second of every day, unless, of course some on here are advocating fitting children with GPS trackers so their whereabouts is known all the time?

I'm advocating putting the welfare of your children above a piss up with friends.

Obviously it's a horrible situation but a bit of personal responsibility is needed.

The development was supposed to be secure and a good place to have children around, and the parents were checking on them regularly.

there was a babysitting service available that they did not use.

Indeed the McCanns had the option, and chose not to, use a babysitting service, they also choose not to take it in turns sitting, or indeed looking after thier own children.

Those statements are facts.

So, back up your arguments once again please.

Parents did not look after thier own children, they chose to leave them alone in a Foriegn country, alone.

Facts once again.

And rkk01 to keep harping on about other forum members on here not having the right to make comment just because they either chose to, or could not have, kids is in your own teeeeny world narrow minded at best.

As for children that go missing everyday or get abducted by estrainged parents, that bearly gets any noteworthy news coverage at all. That is THE saddest thing to note here..

And before you harp on about missing children, my sister ran away from home when she was 16 and only got back in contact again when she turned 19, to make assumption that people like me who have experianced loss/desperation in this area of life have no value to comment makes you even more limited in outlook that you've made out before.

My rant and outpooring is over. Sorry if this has caused offence to anyone, I appologise most deeply.

And before you harp on about missing children, my sister ran away from home when she was 16

So why didn't your parents keep a better eye on her?

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I'm advocating putting the welfare of your children above a piss up with friends.

Before this goes the way of most threads and we start arguing on a point we generally agree on, let me say that I'm pretty sure we [u]all [/u] agree with this statement.

The point some of us - me included - are trying to make is that you simply cannot defend against all ills. You could have your kids under lock and key all the time, but what if someone can pick locks? You can be by their side every second of the day, but what if someone grabs them and can run faster than you?

It frustrates me that the McCann story is so typical of current society feeling a need to point fingers in the wrong direction. As an analogy which will no doubt be picked to shreds, it's a bit like being blamed for having your house burgled because you left a window open. Now in the interest of balance it is possible that the McCanns did have something more sinister to do with it, although personally I don't believe it.

It wasn't long back that there were one or two abductions in my home town. Kids day-in-day-out are out playing in the street or in their garden and if someone wants to abduct them they will. It angers me when someone blames the parents for that.

The point some of us - me included - are trying to make is that you simply cannot defend against all ills. You could have your kids under lock and key all the time, but what if someone can pick locks? You can be by their side every second of the day, but what if someone grabs them and can run faster than you?

Yes but you can mitigate by not leaving kids alone to go drinking!

It frustrates me that the McCann story is so typical of current society feeling a need to point fingers in the wrong direction.

They have some responsibility for what happened.

As an analogy which will no doubt be picked to shreds, it's a bit like being blamed for having your house burgled because you left a window open.

Yeah, which is perfectly valid. Due dilligence.

Now in the interest of balance it is possible that the McCanns did have something more sinister to do with it, although personally I don't believe it.

I don't think it was anything sinister just selfish and thoughtless. Wouldn't wish it on anyone but find it hard to have sympathy for them, obviously would be brilliant if she turned up and I feel for her.

A few points that people tend to overlook:

The McCanns could have made use of the excellent baby-sitting services offered. They didn't just leave one child, but three, all very young toddlers of which Madeline was the eldest. The parents are medically trained, they know better than most that the line between life and sudden death, especially in children, is a thin and fragile one.

I am a parent, I would never leave a child of that age unattended, and no, I don't leave them in the car alone when I get fuel either (and never have). It's just basic common sense really isn't it?

But that's pails into significance when one considers that I have seen [b]no[/b] evidence to suggest that Madeline was abducted. If anyone has that evidence I'm sure the Police would be interested to see it. And one would think the parents' first concern would be the safe recover of their cherished child, not promoting or protecting their good name (hiring those paragons of virtue Max Clifford and Carter Ruck).

As an analogy which will no doubt be picked to shreds, it's a bit like being blamed for having your house burgled because you left a window open.

You do get partially blamed. Indeed, the Police make a point of telling you not to encourage thieves!

...and the parents were checking on them regularly.

That's not been proven. In fact we know that some of the checks didn't actually involved verifying that the children were even there!

I'm advocating putting the welfare of your children above a piss up with friends.

Obviously it's a horrible situation but a bit of personal responsibility is needed.

Grum you are correct the media is racist and there were other reasons for all the publicity but that is not really the issue here - it is an issue worthy of debate though.

TuckerUK - Member

I have seen no evidence to suggest that Madeline was abducted. If anyone has that evidence I'm sure the Police would be interested to see it. And one would think the parents' first concern would be the safe recover of their cherished child, not promoting or protecting their good name (hiring those paragons of virtue Max Clifford and Carter Ruck).

I used to think that the McCannns were guilty here and there was no abduction. However I have changed my view as if they had been they would have allowed it to fade away into obscurity now

I have seen no evidence to suggest that Madeline was abducted.

And one would think the parents' first concern would be the safe recover of their cherished child, not promoting or protecting their good name (hiring those paragons of virtue Max Clifford and Carter Ruck)

Why people are not sympathetic to them is lost on me. you can see all the above and still feel sorry for them

I'm not a perfect person.

Nope, none of us are.

My analogy with the open window and burglary got the bites I was after and demonstrates my point. Thanks. As a society we often apportion too much blame in the wrong place and it really gets my goat.

I left the key in the back door the other night. We've done it for years, mainly because I like to keep the house locked to prevent burglars (see what I did there?) but I want to know I can unlock it easily in the case of a fire. It's a happy compromise for us as a family. Unfortunately my 2 year old has learnt how to unlock and open the back door and was stood outside at 5:30am in the morning. If he'd gone missing we would have been beyond distraught, but I'd be very annoyed if anyone suggested it was neglect. We don't keep the key in the door anymore.

My analogy with the open window and burglary got the bites I was after and demonstrates my point. Thanks. As a society we often apportion too much blame in the wrong place and it really gets my goat.

It would be lovely if we could trust everyone enough to leave our doors unlocked but unfortunately there are people out there who rob and steal. You should do your best to prevent that happening, for instance something as simple as closing a window.

If you were on your own in a bar/cafe would you leave your wallet/phone etc on the table when you went to the toilet?

would you blame me or the thief if it got nicked is the more pertinent question.
One act is foolish the other immoral.
Everyone knows the parents shoulder some responsibility.

If you were on your own in a bar/cafe would you leave your wallet/phone etc on the table when you went to the toilet?

No, but blame the thief who steals it first and foremost, not me for leaving it there. The more we suggest it is a normal part of society for people to steal/abduct/murder the closer we get to it being acceptable. Do you see the distinction I'm trying - perhaps badly - to make?