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VPN access can be blocked too @mike many sites do so already eg uk national-lottery. Tech is there to do it, just a case of their being a will / legal requirement
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#jambyfact?
So blocking the use of VPN's which have massive legal uses and a load of really good reasons to use them because you chasing somebody, we still havn't got past using free wifi and unregistered sim's etc. or basic phones and a code.
One of the criteria for doing something is to make it workable and useful. They have created a law that is useless and seriously impacts people every day.
Why do you want total control over every Aspect of life jamba?
So what we're proposing here is that the police can potentially look at anything they like, entirely unlike the search warrant policy.
I'm sure jamba will be along in a minute to make a detailed and logical response to that important point. Or maybe he'll just ignore it and launch into another round of fantasy.
VPN access can be blocked too
I use a VPN every day for work. As will pretty much anyone who accesses their work network remotely. It is standard practice.
Outlawing VPNs is as ridiculous an idea as outlawing encryption.
You might as well suggest switching off the internet and going back to plain text telegrams.
So, about those search warrants.
[i]The full list of agencies that can now ask for UK citizen's browsing history, which is laid out in Schedule 4 of the bill and was collected by Chris Yiu, is below:
Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust[/i]
Why do you want total control over every Aspect of life jamba?
I want a search warrant to be as effective as it was 25 years ago. The Government isn't controlling my life by being abke to search my electronic comminications with a warrant
@mike you cannot login, they've blocked it even via a VPN (certainly the one's I use). I have even had blocked usage from my mobile in the UK
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Yes that the laws don't far enough
@mike you cannot login, they've blocked it even via a VPN (certainly the one's I use). I have even had blocked usage from my mobile in the UK
You just need a different VPN, it worked.
Yes that the laws don't far enough
So you want to ban VPN's that have a massive usage for good legal reasons to stop people doing something that you can get around anyway.
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Terrorism wins when the other side waste their time, efforts and resources chasing shadows.
the problem for Labour is the power of the right wing press ( and that is who May is pandering to). Labour are terrified of being labelled "soft on terrorism" so are paralysed into inaction over issues like this.
"Labour are terrified of being labelled "soft on terrorism"
I think that horse has already bolted, the leadership positively encouraged terrorism.
the problem for Labour is the power of the right wing press
The bigger problem for labour is its clueless, useless leader. Difficult to be seen as anything other than soft on terrorism when you've spent the last 30 years bigging up Hamas. The only MP I can think of with less credibility on this subject is George Galloway
I run a VPN on my own personal VPS, for personal use only. Does that make me a VPN provider?
I also often just use SSH tunnel. Does that also make me a VPN provider? Makes iPlayer work from outside UK.
They can request my logs, but there won't be anything, especially for the SSH tunnel.
Food Standards Agency? 😯
Interesting @mike thanks.
Cougar just listened to a French Press conference discussing the IS terrorists recently arrested in Strasbourg and Marseilles and their use of encrypted communications between themselves and to IS handlers in Syria. Plus we have juat had the murder of a health care worker protecting retired Monks and Nuns in Montpellier. Throat cut. No confirmation yet of motive but it's reasonable to assume it's terrorist related given recent events
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VPN (certainly the one's I use).
😆 this is hilarious! so how do the police monitor your VPN activity? since you want to give them access.
the problem for Labour is the power of the right wing press ( and that is who May is pandering to). Labour are terrified of being labelled "soft on terrorism" so are paralysed into inaction over issues like this.
Might also be that Labour is pro intrusive government action? I'm not aware of any rule that states left wing economic policies are incompatible with a disdain for civil liberties.
It's OK I just checked in the bill and the Food Standards Agency can only request details "for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime or preventing disorder". So not for checking that I'm eating my five a day.
"I'm not aware of any rule that states left wing economic policies are incompatible with a disdain for civil liberties."
East Germany.
Cougar just listened to a French Press conference discussing the IS terrorists recently arrested in Strasbourg and Marseilles and their use of encrypted communications between themselves and to IS handlers in Syria.
I assume on this you would accept speed limiters in all cars, GPS tracking and rigid segregation on roads. A complete ban on the private ownership of firearms etc. all of those things cause a huge amount of death and suffering.
The irony in all this is we have just had the Establishment, Royalty, and all our political leaders at the Cenotaph this month piously laying wreaths for those who died "fighting for freedom".
Let's have some of the bloody stuff that they fought for instead of getting it increasingly restricted every year.
mogrim - of course there is no reason why a left of centre party need not be authoritarian - indeed Blair was authoritarian. However I do believe that the press make it much harder for Labour to oppose anything that is aimed at " preventing terrorism"
I assume on this you would accept speed limiters in all cars, GPS tracking and rigid segregation on roads.
Giving the authorities the same access to modern electronic communications as they had to phone tapping isn't the same as bringing in new restrictions that have never existed.
It doesn't mean that it is desirable, but all this is trying to do is maintain a capability (not add a fundamentally new one).
Should, or should not, the police and other similar agencies have access to private communications if they have reasonable cause and a proper warrant? If your answer is yes then why does the method of communication matter?
Since brexit I have been contacting my mp challenging his views as they are at odds with his electorate.
I was going to contact him and ask where he lived so that I could pop by and randomly check his Internet search history.
As I am now on his pain in the arse list I have thought better of it as he can go snooping around my business and personal accounts and make life very difficult for me if he so wished. I would have no protection from him. I now fear what my mp can do to me.
That is wrong. I won't even be able to take it to the European Court.
Freedom will be split between very few people I think.