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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27050321
So, these blokes take it off a nearby wall to "protect it" then say that they are going to sell it.
Stolen from who?
An anonymous individual who left it in the street?
Sounds fine to me - if they use the money as indicated.
Street Art looses it's context once it's removed from the street, i think.
That said, i hope they make loads of money and provide some good for the yoofz in the local community.
Should have just painted over it.
I'm sure it was not put there to be stolen.
I don't really like the work of Banksy but hey, each to their own.
That's a fantstic example to set the kids
I'm sure that there are some church railings nearby too that could be weighed in to support the youth club.
Its not his property.
It isnt a case of finders keepers the craven-little shit.
+1 as an example. Even if its nailed down lift it teaches a bad example.
He's not the first and won't be the last, I doubt it would it would have been there in the morning and at least we know where it is!. The guy was on the radio before with the mayor and they seemed to be OK about what had happened, who owns it? Dunno and ideally it would be better left on the street but at a value of £100k plus really what do you expect...?. My guess is that whoever is the proven owner ( looks to be the council as it their wall) would probably have removed it and relocated to a more secure location anyway. Hopefully the local yoof club can receive some financial benefit from the publicity...
I don't see how anyone other than the artist can be the owner. Theft pure and simple.
"Banksy wanted us to take it": Bull, if he wanted you to have it, he would have contacted you and gained access to your club to do the work overnight. (like he did in his Bristol exhibition)
I dont think it belongs to anyone. If i had to chose someone, its the owner of the building it is attached to, but they are no better than anyone else with a crowbar, taking his works for their own gain. (i bet hes loving how this is developing though, the whole thing is playing out like a banksy piece in its own right)
At the end of the day, its still vandalism if done without permission. Whether you like it or not is totally subjective. Its getting a bit old now.
the craven-little shit
😀
Whoever owns what it was painted on owns it, which appears to be the council.
If someone paints on my house it's still my house.
It wasn't painted onto the wall - it was fixed to the wall.
I was firmly in the 'it's not his to take/sell' camp, but after I heard the discussions between the mayor and the yoof club leader I changed my mind.
It wasn't likely to remain on the wall long, either would have been vandalised or taken by a collector/sold for entirely personal gain. At least this way the cash goes directly to the community, and there's no council funding for the club anymore.
Banksy tweeted something that seemed like he was happy, (can't remember exactly, it was along the lines of finders-keepers) so fair enough to my mind now.
I'm sure it was not put there to be stolen.
Then why did he do it so it could be removed rather than on the wall
he has a fair history of helping folk out so i will wait till he speaks
Dont blame them for trying to sell it much as i like his work the money will do more good.
We live in a glorious capital consumer society where everything is monetarised! And for very good reason! How else are we meant to gauge the value of things? We'd be lost!
Every transaction should be for personal gain only. How dare this bloody parasite start bringing in concepts like altruism and community - supporting community centres FFS?!!! How very 1960's!
All artwork should rightly end up on the wall of a Kensington mansion of a Russian oligarch, or a tax dodger from the city. But if, on it's journey, it ends up delivering something worthwhile to a wider society, then that's setting a pretty bloody dangerous precedent. It's bordering on bloody communism! Think of the commission somebody just lost!!!
It wasn't painted onto the wall - it was fixed to the wall.
I know it was on a board, but I wasn't sure if the board was already on the wall or if banksy put the board up?
ernie_lynch - Member
It wasn't painted onto the wall - it was fixed to the wall.
Using that logic cars that are not part of the road can be taken by whoever wants them.
Poor analogy its like arguing if someone puts a bike on your car roof rack its yours 😉
If it secures the future of the youth club, then why not. Broad Plain Boys Club has a long history of helping kids better themselves.
I wasn't sure if the board was already on the wall or if banksy put the board up?
I believe CCTV shows the moment when a couple of people fixed it to the wall.
I'm alright with it; quite entrepreneurial in my eyes - Publicity for Banksy and moolah for a youth club, who are being transparent about it.
I'm also a big fan of any non-profit youth club/suchlike organisation.
Who's to say that Banksy didn't know this would happen? 😉
It's not looking likely the youth club will get anything for it now the police took it. It's in a museum now
I reckon he put it there hoping they would do something with it to raise some cash. He doesn't normally do art on boards, usually straight onto a wall.
Maybe banksey could pop along to the police station and clear up any issues of ownership, and while he is there explain why he vandalised public property.
It wasn't painted onto the wall - it was fixed to the wall.
I know it was on a board, but I wasn't sure if the board was already on the wall or if banksy put the board up?
If people look at either the photos in the news, or the video, it's perfectly clear why Banksy painted it where he did, because it's the only smooth, clear surface that's available. The wall is far too uneven and heavily textured to do a stencil on. The board was covering an old door or access point.
That much should be obvious even to the most myopic.
I'm sure the centre's intentions are good, but to take someone else's property, in this case a barrier put up by the council to prevent access, and then say that the public can come and see it, if they make a donation, and then we'll sell it, is pretty dubious behaviour, unethical at best, immoral at worst.
Having it on display in the Museum & Art Gallery in Banksy's home city where it can be seen for free on public display is the best solution.
IMHO, of course.
Maybe banksey (sic) could pop along to the police station and clear up any issues of ownership, and while he is there explain why he vandalised public property.
It's really vandalism if something is damaged deliberately. Explain the damage caused by a painted artwork on the panel.
Which then gives an otherwise plain piece of board a significant monetary value, which it otherwise wouldn't have.
Cool, so it's ok for all the local kids to go tagging all over the place then?
It is graffiti, and the only difference between this and any other graffiti is the fame of the culprit? Do you suggest the law should differentiate between criminal actions based on fame?
its shit anyway, he's jumped the shark.
Most folk would accept that some graffiti is art though we could debate where the line is.
I doubt they are actually upset about their "loss". I would like to see the court case for them suing for damages though
I doubt most taggers are considered artists even by themselves.
Most people would accept that Lewis Hamilton is an amazing racing driver, he gets paid millions to drive really really fast. But if he got caught doing 150 down the motorway, most folk wouldn't accept that the law ignored his crime because of who he is.
I like banksy's work, there is a thought process behind it, rather than putting a dirty bed in a dirty room and claiming it is about "challenging conceptions" he does portray a genuine message.
However that does not change the fact that painting on someone else's property without their permission is an act of vandalism, the law does not judge any artistic merit that may be produced, just the actual act performed.
Balls to the law.
I'd rather see a load of graffiti/tags instead of all the signs, notices, warnings and other 'official' condescending authoritarian rubbish our streets are covered with. Not to mention the ugliness of two rows of cars on every road.
An update it would seem...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27319114
he painted it there as a donation to the club, you miserable bunch of gets.
No he didn't. It was a 'visual gift to the area'. Shame they can't be left on the wall but looking at was happened to some of the others that really isn't an option. Seems everyone has come out ahead so its all good, though. It was great to have it in the museum for a few weeks now the club should profit nicely.he painted it there as a donation to the club
No he didn't. It was a 'visual gift to the area'.
thats not quite right though is it? he wrote a note saying he hoped the art would be of financial help to the club
The street artist goes on to say that he does not usually admit to "committing criminal damage" but as "a great admirer of the work done at the club" he would "be chuffed if this can help in some way".
He painted it on council property. If he painted on my property it'd be mine. If someone liberated it for 'safe keeping' I'd want it back. So its not 'Banksy's to say who gets it.
Do you need a hug Hora? 😀
The note is suitably vague IMO. Is there confirmation it is even genuine? Anyway, it reads to me like he intended the artwork to generally brighten up the area and for no one to profit other than culturally. Now there has been a fuss he is happy for the boys club to benefit, so it wasn't painted as a donation but he is fine with that outcome. Should we even be reading the note, it is marked private and confidential, I hope he doesn't suethats not quite right though is it? he wrote a note saying he hoped the art would be of financial help to the club
Is Banksy the acceptable face of graffiti? 😕
If he ever got caught would the Poletzi just let him off with a “ooohhh it’s You Mr Banksy, ohh no bother you are spray painting Council Property Sir, do carry on”
Eh? 😕
What would the reaction be if he did get caught...? 😕
I do wonder about these things you know. 😕
#smilieworld
Hence partly why he wont reveal his identity.
What about DBK ?...now that is Art 😉
It's great news for Broad Plain Boys Club. Good on 'em. 😀