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excellent post by hels there,
Sui I cant see why you have a problem with letting kids learn what other cultures are like, we live in a multicultural society (like it or not) and unless those kids intend to live, breed and die in their little part of the world it will only benefit them.
OK I just checked the census data for Lincolnshire and on average I would expect a school of 104 pupils to have 1 mixed race, 2 asian and 1 black pupil.
Though I reckon Middle Rasen might be a little whiter than the average for Lincolnshire.
"Cultural development" as Ofsted term it, is essentially left-wing political indoctrination, hence the public reaction to this particular episode.
All of the grinding cogs in the state education machine tend towards left-wing, egalitarian politics. The teaching union, Ofsted, and the teachers are all working to churn out politically correct youngsters who will rally to support anti-conservative causes, especially multi-culturalism.
In my secondary school in the 90's, out of 1,200 pupils, fewer than 20 were non white (and those 20 were people of Chinese and ****stani descent).
I hadn't spoken to a black person until I was about 16, when I met a lad in the queue for Nemesis at Alton Towers while on a school trip (no joke!). I couldn't wait to tell my mum when I got home!
Even current census data for the area shows non white to be around 1% of total population.
That's in Ayrshire, Scotland.
I was the lead governor of a primary school in a predominately middle class white town, we had exactly the same issues, few ethnically diverse children, few local groups or communities. So we made diversity a part of [b]everything[/b] we did, and when we could, we got all sort of dance groups, theatre groups, old people to come in, films, you name it...
"Cultural development" as Ofsted term it, is essentially left-wing political indoctrination, hence the public reaction to this particular episode.
All of the grinding cogs in the state education machine tend towards left-wing, egalitarian politics. The teaching union, Ofsted, and the teachers are all working to churn out politically correct youngsters who will rally to support anti-conservative causes, especially multi-culturalism.
nurse, nurse he's out of his bed again!!!
I was the lead governor of a primary school in a predominately middle class white town, we had exactly the same issues, few ethnically diverse children, few local groups or communities. So we made diversity a part of everything we did, and when we could, we got all sort of dance groups, theatre groups, old people to come in, films, you name it...
What about mime ? did you have mime, please tell me you had mime !!
nurse, nurse he's out of his bed again!!!
nurses are essentially left-wing political indoctrination of caring and looking after the needy.
All of the grinding cogs in the state care machine tend towards left-wing, egalitarian help. The nursing union, NICE, and the doctors are all working to churn out healthy people who will rally against competitive survival of the fittest , think only of yourself politics and its very anti-conservative
I have marked your card as one of them.
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What about mime ? did you have mime, please tell me you had mime !!
What, the ones with their faces painted white???
the comments on that story remind me of this from early 1978
Today, institutions fundamental to the British system of Government are under attack: the public schools, the house of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage, even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society, and it's about time we said 'enough is enough' and saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.
What we want is:Freedom from the reds and the blacks and the criminals
Prostitutes, pansies and punks
Football hooligans, juvenile delinquents
Lesbians and left wing scum
Freedom from the ****s and the ****s and the unions
Freedom from the Gipsies and the Jews
Freedom from leftwing layabouts and liberals
Freedom from the likes of you..."
Power in the Darkness Tom Robinson band
I'd hardly say it was controversial to label state education a left-wing project, that was certainly my experience of it.
Oh yes, I should have added, the system also teaches how to label anyone who disagrees with the diversity consensus, mentally insane and/or racist.
All of the grinding cogs in the state education machine tend towards left-wing, egalitarian politics. The teaching union, Ofsted, and the teachers are all working to churn out politically correct youngsters who will rally to support anti-conservative causes, especially multi-culturalism.
Until the last few years, teachers voted pretty much in line with the national averages. But, you know, facts and that.
If he cannot assimilate facts we all know who to blame....bloody teachers that is who 😉
and of coourse obvious troll is obvious
But, you know, facts and that.
A new YouGov poll for the NUT (based on a representative sample of 826 teachers) shows that just 12% would vote Conservative in a general election, compared to 43% for Labour and 6% for the Lib Dems.
Looking forward to your reply, chap.
wonder why the teachers all turned against the tories recently?
would take some sort of egomaniac bible obsessed nutter, id have thought
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Actually, on reflection, 12% does seem a tad high.
Public sector voting Tory?
Do turkeys vote for Christmas?
A new YouGov poll for the NUT (based on a representative sample of 826 teachers) shows that just 12% would vote Conservative in a general election, compared to 43% for Labour and 6% for the Lib Dems.Looking forward to your reply, chap.
As I said, [i]until the last few years[/i]... Recent policies have pushed teachers toward Labour, but historically it's been pretty much on a par with the national levels.
Chap.
As I said, until the last few years... Recent policies have pushed teachers toward Labour, but historically it's been pretty much on a par with the national levels.
Please send a link to a survey which proves your point.
I'd hardly say it was controversial to label state education a left-wing project,
Are you actually a retired colonel who writes letters to the Telegraph, in green ink, starting....
Sir
I would like to draw you attention to the communist plot to destabilise this great nations educational establishments.....
I bet the BBC is run by a gay jewish mafia as well 😆
I'm struggling to find the article I remember about historical voting, but found [url= http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/jan/15/teachers-voting-labour-conservatives ]this article[/url] about a poll in 2010 which says 25% Labour, 18% Tory, 14% Lib Dem. That's hardly a leftist stronghold (a similarly dated poll put the general public on 31%, 40%, 18%).
I'd be shocked if teachers were more right wing than average, though one of the BNP's top brass taught in a school near to here.
I'd search further, but I have to go and chant CND slogans at some first years.
...are we having a prize for the least diverse school attended? For me, 800 pupils, 798 white and no girls. But that's 1980s E Mids for you. It was big shock going to university and being surrounded by girls that you might have to talk to sober.
From my experience I'm all for as much diversity as possible, there were some really shocking attitudes in that environment, even by the standards of the time
Binners, how dare you Sir!
Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells.
Bloody yogurt-knitting, organic quinoa eating, skinny soya latte drinking, vegan, pinko, hemp wearing guardianista bastards!!!!!!
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I'd hardly say it was controversial to label state education a left-wing project, that was certainly my experience of it
You should talk to someone properly left wing - they see state educational as a way of training the next generation of workers to be obedient and conformist.
But surely a balanced view sees that state education is an essential part of any modern society - you need education to provide adults with the potential to be good workers, and that secondary education and Universities are really gearing up to that, probably at the expense of the broader education you get in the private sector
I'd search further, but I have to go and chant CND slogans at some first years.
Ofsted inspection?
You should talk to someone properly left wing - they see state educational as a way of training the next generation of workers to be obedient and conformist.
I'd argue left-wing politics has moved into a more subtle area, that is cultural politics (promotion of diversity, sex education/permissiveness, along with choosing to study a historical narrative that undermines British culture) rather than economics these days.
I used to like the old school Marxists like Christopher Hill, who were explicit about their economic aims. My supervisor, who had studied under Hill, had largely abandoned traditional economic marxism in the 80s, whilst embracing political correctness and the diversity agenda, which included a very hostile attitude to what he called conservative culture.
Why would anyone, apart from a very specific, painfully narrow demographic, not be hostile to 'conservative culture'*? When its so openly hostile to everyone else who dares to fall outside its insular, small-minded, world view?
* The word 'culture' is used figuratively, with an ironic sigh, in this instance 😀
edit - I can't be arsed today I'm going to the pub
Why would anyone, apart from a very specific, painfully narrow demographic, not be hostile to 'conservative culture'*?
I wouldn't equate conservative culture with the idea of a small ruling aristocracy.
Working class people in the 1950s were for the most part conservative in terms of cultural issues; people throughout human history have generally preferred conservative culture and lifestyles (heterosexual marriage, the raising of children in families, a negative attitude to sexual promiscuity, and a preference to live in substantially un-diversified communities).
Yeah... but we're not in the 1950's any more. In most respects, our lives and the society we live in are unrecognisable from that. Thankfully
Are you sure you're not Peter Hitchens? 😀
[i]I'd argue left-wing politics has moved into a more subtle area, that is cultural politics (promotion of diversity, sex education/permissiveness, along with choosing to study a historical narrative that undermines British culture) rather than economics these day[/i]
what your espousing there is individualistic centrist Establishment dogma. The left (by that I presume you mean Labour) has moved to a much more centrist position over that last 40 years, to the point that they're almost undistinguishable from Tory wets of the 80's/ 90's
I have sent a copy of my book to Mr Hitchens in the past! Although when I wrote it I was still something of an unreformed cultural marxist (without really knowing it).
As with olddog I'm off for a couple of shandies, have a good evening chaps.
people throughout human history have generally preferred conservative culture and lifestyles (heterosexual marriage, the raising of children in families, a negative attitude to sexual promiscuity, and a preference to live in substantially un-diversified communities).
Nah.
Well if you're both going the pub, then so am I
Cheers!
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Not really studied much human history have you badnewz.
Diversity has been a major strength of many civilisations Greece, Persia,Macedonia Rome, USA, Australia, USSR etc .
Heterosexuality while universal as a norm has not been the only accepted sexuality throughout history .
Sexual promiscuity has rarely been frowned on and has often been encouraged and given legal recognition .
The raising of children in families has been actually prohibited in some ultra conservative cultures and was recently actively avoided by our own upper classes who handed them first to paid professionals and then to boarding schools.
The teaching union, Ofsted, and the teachers are all working to churn out politically correct youngsters who will rally to support anti-conservative causes, especially multi-culturalism.
Even if this were true (which it's not by a long chalk) you say it like it'd be a bad thing.
You're on the list btw. Once we sweep the right wingers from power you and your pals will be first against the wall.
Come Comrades one and all, rise up and crush the enemies of the people.
(Signed S&J, union member nurse, married to a union rep teacher.)
people throughout human history have generally preferred conservative culture and lifestyles (heterosexual marriage, the raising of children in families, a negative attitude to sexual promiscuity, and a preference to live in substantially un-diversified communities).
So long as you only look at relatively recent history, where the Abrahamic religions (and their resultant cultures) were dominant. Even then, it was only the lower classes who were expected to keep to those morals, while the upper classes were all shagging anything that moved.
I'm just a pinko-liberal, but I'm rather glad people can, pretty much, marry and/or shag whoever they find to consent these days. And think how crap our food would be if we hadn't diversified a little.
Hang on there folks !
Ofsted ain`t teachers Ofsted are the regulators, I thought teachers hated Ofsted ?
Anyway both my kids are doing quite well at state school, this is due in part to their excellent genetic make up and the fact that all of the teachers I have met at PT evenings come across as hardworking, caring conchyhenchous types, this is quite encouraging as all of my teachers at secondary school 76-81 were a bunch of hassholes.
Because of the hard work by all of his teachers my son has been guaranteed a place at the University of Pyongyang
I'd argue left-wing politics has moved into a more subtle area, that is cultural politics (promotion of diversity, sex education/permissiveness, along with choosing to study a historical narrative that undermines British culture) rather than economics these days.I used to like the old school Marxists like Christopher Hill, who were explicit about their economic aims. My supervisor, who had studied under Hill, had largely abandoned traditional economic marxism in the 80s, whilst embracing political correctness and the diversity agenda, which included a very hostile attitude to what he called conservative culture.
That because its overly simplistic to describe politics by left / right. The political compass adds authoritarian / libertarian but even that is in reality overly simplistic. Main stream parties like to try and polarise debate because it is easier to get people to vote against the opposition than for their own party, and if you offer a simple left / right argument the only ones left to vote for are your party.
300 kids in my secondary school, no non-whites. There was one girl who had slightly olive skin and people called her ****. Even the insults were clueless.
I never met anyone non white until I was at 6th form college where there was a lad of indian descent in the squash club. Fortunately I never got around to asking him what VJ stood for.
Apologies for thread resurrection - missed this first time round and only went searching because I assumed you lot would be talking about it when a BNP (!!!!) post appeared on my FB timeline because a friend commented on it.
I rate that article - and by extension Mr Graeme Paton as "Requires improvement".
Given that this forum apparently abhors the DM and its attitudes, there are a surprising amount of comments on this thread which wouldn't look out of place there. Thankfully there are some "left wing bully-boys" on here making more sensible points. I'll try not to repeat much of what's been said, but have the following to add:
I live in a similarly mono-cultural village and the school my kids go to received a similar comment on a previous Ofsted report (though despite claims in the article, our report provides evidence that that is not a sufficient reason to refuse an Outstanding rating). No such comment in our latest report - kids now go on trips to inner city areas where they get experience of cultural diversity - the advantages of such experiences have already been described above. Personally I am very glad they get this experience, just as I would be glad if they went to visit farms and forests (some of the other places they do go to) if we lived in the inner city.