You can hope something without giving it any thought whatsoever
No you can't. That is literally impossible.
Well this has taken a turn.
Yup, I'm fantasising that the thread will get back to the subject matter.
Again, your comment says much more about you than it does about me. But thank you for proving my point about fantasies.
Actually, you're going to have to come out and say what you think this says about me because I've got no idea. Your innuendo and obfuscation means that no one has any idea what you really mean and you're hiding behind 'dictionary definitions' to avoid admitting to what you tried to imply.
Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean in plain English and hopefully we can escape this particular circle of hell.
Actually, you’re going to have to come out and say what you think this says about me because I’ve got no idea.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
Tsk tsk. You're a naughty boy.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
That kind of illustrates the point very well - when you make accusations of fantasization, for me you're wilfully suggesting that there IS an element of sexuality, particularly when accusations are made that forum members are fantisising about the rape of Tate. To then hide behind the dictionary definition just seems somewhat of a cop-out.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
Tsk tsk. You’re a naughty boy.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to get ransos to come out and say.
Instead he's going on about 'dictionary definitions'.
Indeed, and I’d be surprised if you weren’t equally surprised that it might.
To be totally honest I was simply trying to be provocative to make a point. People like him make me very, very angry. My 'shawshank' comment was in very bad taste and I appologise for any offence caused. I wouldn't wish sexual exploitation on anyone.*
*Apart from Andrew Tate
I'll grab my flame proof jacket and run for cover.
Yes, that’s what I’m trying to get rasnos to come out and say.
Instead he’s going on about ‘dictionary definitions’.
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To then hide behind the dictionary definition just seems somewhat of a cop-out.
Good grief. Using a word in the way it is meant to be used is now a cop out? Get a grip.
Listen, if you want to infer something I haven't said, knock yourself out. I will stick to what people have actually said on these pages: trivialising and even suggesting pleasure at the prospect of male rape.
See, how it seems from where I'm sitting is that you'll use "fantasising" in a derogatory sense then, when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition of "thinking about". If that's all it is, maybe it doesn't portray the disgust you think it does.
Edit: actually, I'll step back from the dictionary definition comment - what you said was "To fantasise is to imagine something you would like to happen." Would I like to see him suffer in prison? Yes. Am I fantasising about it? I don't think I am.
when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition
Not really. This is the "dictionary definition" :
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the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things.
"his researches had moved into the realms of fantasy"
So it needs to be impossible or improbable.
Now let's hope that's the end of it. Or am I fantasising?
See, how it seems from where I’m sitting is that you’ll use “fantasising” in a derogatory sense then, when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition of “thinking about”. If that’s all it is, maybe it doesn’t portray the disgust you think it does.
I'm not falling back on anything: I used the word in the way it's meant to be used, and can't help it if you've inferred something else.
I think the support for prison rape was in incredibly poor taste, but you seem quite pleased about the idea. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Now let’s hope that’s the end of it. Or am I fantasising?
No, but you left out this:
imagine (something that one wants to happen).
First hit on Google.
I googled the meaning of the word "fantasy", apparently it is something which is impossible or improbable.
Are you telling me that fantasising has nothing to do with fantasy?
This is getting complicated.
I think the support for prison rape was in incredibly poor taste, but you seem quite pleased about the idea. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Fair enough - I think you're being very deliberately provocative, but shall say no more on it.
I googled the meaning of the word “fantasy”, apparently it is something which is impossible or improbable.
Are you telling me that fantasising has nothing to do with fantasy?
This is getting complicated.
I'm telling you I quoted what was literally the first hit on Google. It's what I meant when I used the word and it appears I was justified in doing so.
Oh for Pete's sake.. Can we please just drop this weird narrative?
Espesially the frothy Lexiteers.
Espesially the frothy Lexiteers.
If that's aimed at me, you're very wide of the mark. Just another one of your fantasies I guess, though at least this one isn't supporting rape. Well done you.
Well, you seem to have volunteered for the job.
That says more about you than it does me.
Well, you seem to have volunteered for the job.
You'll have to explain what this means, because it makes no sense at all. But then, neither does advocating for prison rape.
Is ^this the 'toxic masculinity' i have been hearing so much about?
Can we please just drop this weird narrative?
He says before quickly moving on to brexit and talking about volunteering for an unspecified job.
Is ^this the ‘toxic masculinity’ i have been hearing so much about?
🤣 no this is one of it's tangential off shoots.
FFS, erinie and ransos, AGAIN... it's getting really boring guys... go troll somewhere else.
What happened to this thread? No, I don't want to know.
really boring
Boring? I'm finding the random nature of this thread fascinating - I never quite know what to expect next. I was impressed with how we momentarily touched on brexit and then somehow seamlessly moved on to talk about volunteering for jobs.
Well, I for one hope Tate gets a broken cock in prison.
I'm a fairly decent bloke most of the time yet I have a broken cock and Tate doesn't.
He isn't a decent bloke and therefore should have a broken cock, otherwise things are just totally out of whack on the functioning cock front.
I could flesh this position out more but no one wants to hear more about "flesh" in the context of broken cocks I feel.
Well according to Greta Thunberg Tate's need for cars with "enormous emissions" suggests that he might have a rather small one.
I think how one reacts to the fate of sex offender in Jail is interesting. (for the avoidance of doubt, I am assuming that Andrew Tate is a sex offender).
I think there's also obviously a difference between "wishing" for it to happen, and somebody who accepts that it does/might - and in this case, not being particularly upset about that.
I think some posters here obviously expressed sentiment that they are wishing/wanting for it to happen, or perhaps (one rung lower in that ladder) enjoying the prospect that it might happen. For me that's the point that you've lost me.
Kind of like celebrating if somebody you didn't like got hit by a car - I'm not going to say that you should be weeping over their coffin, but try to keep the whooping and cheering down egh.
Personally, I'm enjoying the schadenfreude of the whole situation - that an internet chancer who absolutely personifies toxic masculinity, and bears more responsibility for it's insidious spread than anyone else (alive) I can think of - seems to have run-out of road. What I'm enjoying is that he must be finding the whole thing extraordinarily uncomfortable: his assets (which he derives so much arrogance from) seized, people are going through his life and history with a fine-toothed-comb, but worst of all - he can't influence any of the narrative: no tweeting, or podcast or whatever to put his spin on it, and get people to see things from his own twisted perspective. This is something that's being done TO him, which must be incredibly offensive his "alpha-male*" persona.
*yes, yes, yes...... I know
However, that schadenfreude ends at the prospect of him being abused in prison. I'll admit that I'm not going to be particularly upset at the prospect of it happening - but (I believe) there's clear-air between that and reveling in it.
Anyway - before we disappeared into a prison-rape rabbithole, I posted a line from that BBC article, which suggested the one of the young women they targeted was "the daughter of a prominent local politician". Anyone heard any more about that? I'd find it hugely ironic if it was the patriarchy that actually pulled the rug out from underneath him in the end.
What bothers me about it is that it plays into the whole 'prison's too good for 'em' narrative.
The punishment of imprisonment is the loss of liberty.
That's the punishment, the loss of liberty.
There's no need to imagine extras. We used to have 'extras' and we don't any more.
So about Ernie’s toast, what type of bread was used?
FFS, erinie and ransos, AGAIN… it’s getting really boring guys… go troll somewhere else.
You started talking about brexit and volunteering. Please stick to the topic.
think some posters here obviously expressed sentiment that they are wishing/wanting for it to happen, or perhaps (one rung lower in that ladder) enjoying the prospect that it might happen. For me that’s the point that you’ve lost me.
Yep, that's where I'm at. I would also point out, that whilst I think he's utterly toxic, he hasn't been convicted of anything.
Personally, I’m enjoying the schadenfreude of the whole situation – that an internet chancer who absolutely personifies toxic masculinity, and bears more responsibility for it’s insidious spread than anyone else (alive) I can think of – seems to have run-out of road. What I’m enjoying is that he must be finding the whole thing extraordinarily uncomfortable: his assets (which he derives so much arrogance from) seized, people are going through his life and history with a fine-toothed-comb, but worst of all – he can’t influence any of the narrative: no tweeting, or podcast or whatever to put his spin on it, and get people to see things from his own twisted perspective. This is something that’s being done TO him, which must be incredibly offensive his “alpha-male*” persona.
Most definitely.
I Think the Jail rape scenarios are just the sort of comment that would come out spontaneously in a pub convo.
Thera are worse things than that - Decriminalisation of rape being one but that's a different thread
he hasn’t been convicted of anything.
and he may not; those with enormous resources often manage to avoid convictions that those of more normal means would have been hung* for. Doesn’t mean he’s not guilty as sin though.
I won’t lose any sleep if I found out he’d been on the receiving end of the behaviour that he’s allegedly been dishing out and definitely advocating and encouraging. I’d probably draw a line at wishing it upon him but if it were to happen to be honest I’d probably have a quiet chuckle to myself at the news. What goes around, comes around (though not often enough).
Not sure who could actually be seriously offended by that either, victims of the crime would probably find it hard to be very sympathetic with a rapist being raped, and most right minded people would recognise the karma aspect. Maybe hardline alpha misogynistic snowflakes would be upset? Ah well.
I’m also somewhat concerned by the ‘don’t think/say that, someone might be offended’ line that this thread is going down. Someone might be offended, it may not be in the best of tastes, it might be a bit mean (to a rapey misogynistic ****) and I may not agree with it, but I don’t think we should be attempting to police other people’s thoughts and opinions. That’s a dodgy road to travel down.
*Literally, once upon a time, but fortunately not so much any more.
*Literally, once upon a time, but fortunately not so much any more.
Pedant mode on - hanged. The past tense of hang when used to mean executed with a noose is hanged.
To the point of the daughter of a relatively high up politician being somehow involved in this. I'd hope that politics doesn't interfere in due process; also hopefully it makes it harder to make it 'just go away' as things sometimes can when the well off are accused of nasty things. Yes, I'm looking at you, other Andy
It's the STW easily and self-righteously offended acting offended because they think it makes them look good (it doesn't) certain they're untouchable given the subject.
What the deliberately and toxically offended have failed to grasp is that fantasy is just that, fantasy. The mistake that their STW victims have made is expressing those fantasies on a forum on which some people's real life contradictions are unfathomable perhaps proving that they live their fantasies which is the point fantasies become dangerous.
Enjoy your fantasies in the privacy of your own brains folks but don't air them anywhere near here.
Back on topic I see Greta also spent some time behind bars, but in her case for all the right reasons. Keep up the good work, Greta.
but I don’t think we should be attempting to police other people’s thoughts and opinions. That’s a dodgy road to travel down.
No, but equally, people are not free to say whatever they like without repercussions.
Back on topic I see Greta also spent some time behind bars
I don't think she has yet unless you mean the police van. I think that was the first time she has been arrested
those with enormous resources often manage to avoid convictions that those of more normal means would have been hung for
I think he wishes he was well hung though... (IGMC etc)
No, but equally, people are not free to say whatever they like without repercussions.
I actually agree with you that it's not something people should really be saying.
Had I been bothered I would have said something like, 'I don't think we should be joking about rape, no matter how karmic it might be. It can be triggering for some folk.'
It has the benefit of giving a reasonable and difficult to argue against reason whilst not coming across as an attempt to score points.
So about Ernie’s toast, what type of bread was used?
Made with foreskin yeast. HTH.
Why does it have to be rape? I am hoping that he enjoys it (I bet he's gagging for it), falls in love with a big burly hunk, and eventually tells his 4.5 million followers "don't knock it until you've tried it".
Apologies to anyone who might be offended.
No, but equally, people are not free to say whatever they like without repercussions.
Absolutely. But then that’s a truism that is almost not worth saying; why say anything at all if it’s not to seek reaction; that’s the very meaning of conversation. There’s a big difference between saying ‘I don’t like what you are saying’ and ‘I don’t think you should be allowed to say it’.
As no one here except mods is in a position to censor the rape comment (and they haven’t, to their credit) then the discussion is largely moot.
Regarding people being triggered, whilst I agree it’s technically possible, I think it’s probably quite unlikely as it’s a joke that supports victims at the expense of the offender, albeit rather clumsily and coarsely.
Whilst Wheaton’s law is always best followed, just how much sensitivity should we allow for in potential readers of our comments? Let’s face it, taking offence is a choice that doesn’t need to be taken and self censorship to avoid all possible offence is the death of interesting and challenging conversations (See; work emails).
sirromj - ever wonder why more ladies don't post on stw?
I don’t think we should be attempting to police other people’s thoughts and opinions.
I think you've all spent the last two or three pages creating an argument that didn't exist.
It's easy to make a throwaway comment. "Yeah, Tate's been locked up, hope he gets bummed, see how he likes it." I may be wrong by doubt anyone here is actually, genuinely hoping that he gets anally raped whilst in an Eastern European prison. Let alone spinning that narrative into some sort of sexual fantasy that the poster is going to toddle off and have a J Arthur over, gods only know where that one came from. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people didn't have much sympathy if he was attacked but that's very much not the same thing at all.
Some folk really should go back and read what they write sometimes. I know I can be guilty of jumping to conclusions but bloody hell.
As is often the case with this place, the problems kick off when someone tries to score points by 'taking the high ground'.
If you start a points scoring game then others are going to join in.
