[Closed] Have I borke the law, am I a thief?

Does opinion differ depending on the source, value and type of item?

Quite a few years back I bought a one ticket for a sold out festival off ebay so I could go with a group who bought their tickets earlier. I paid about £90 over the face value - just short of double the face value. Couple of days before the festival 2 tickets show up.
[Limmy] What would you do? [/Limmy]

RM.

Just answer their calls and arrange collection.

It's not a "victimless crime" - as has been said, someone will be getting a shoeing for this, they might not get sacked right away, but it will go against them.

It's also a big amount of money worth of stock. If they had failed to deliver to you after taking your money (i.e. the boot on the other foot) I am sure you'd be crying all over the forums.

We need to break this stupid assertion that it's ok to rip off a company. It's not.

Question is,do you have the money to pay for it if they ask for it,want it,demand it,feel like they have been hoodwinked and take you to court for thieving it knowing full well you have it,not like it can get lost in the post is it?

Bad korma innit...

Stop trying to curry favour...

Bottom line is you KNOW what you've done is wrong, or you wouldn't have asked.

Do whatever you want, but be prepared to live with the consequences.

and shocked at your assumption that people on here would go bent for 600 quid.

Slippery slope, you pretty much accepted that you'd be dishonest just that we need to haggle some more over price 😉

nonk - Member
Makes note to self
Never ever deal with pete1979 the guy is complete nobber..

Keeping quiet about it is a morally grey area (light grey tho), fobbing off the person on the phone is pretty dodgy, but I assume your wife only did that so you could decide how to [s]play it[/s] 'fess up and offer to pay - all IMO obviously.

Those mentioning someone at the retailers may get into trouble over this, are you sure? Sounds a bit melodramatic, probably due to a computer glitch, I know every **** up with an order I've had has been blamed on those pesky computers

probably just a computer glitch

More likely a Computer Embolism (clot on the keyboard)!

It's not a "victimless crime" - as has been said, someone will be getting a shoeing for this, they might not get sacked right away, but it will go against them.

As I've said previously. Someone at a local bikeshop put a bike through the till at 10% of the price it should have been. The mistake was spotted later on and the shop tried for quite a few times to get hold of the customers. Eventually after writing to him he replied. He said he'd pay but not the full price but a fair price.

What a price ****ing cock.

Now the shop was Evans. Some might say its a big company-tough they can take it but then every day they'll be getting dodgy credit cards, staff stealing, mistakes, shoplifting etc etc ontop of this.

The person who entered the price at 10%. I don't know what happened to him but what if he was in his probation period still? Manager looking to reduce staff hours etc etc etc?

Don't listen to the vast vast majority, it sounds like they're all jealous you've got a free piece of furniture.
Enjoy your [s]swag[/s] luck.

For me it doesn't matter if the business is Barclays, a small coffee shop giving you change for £20 instead of £5 or a small bikeshop. I believe in paying a fair price for everything.

Binners will remember this one- years ago I noticed a newly listed set of Marzocchi forks on Ebay by a Peaks-based bike business. I hit buy it now and received and email from the shop saying 'hey I made a complete mistake on the price but I will honour it'. I called them and refused to take it at the price but the bloke INSISTED, was abit of a too-and fro. I wanted to pay more and he insisted so I relented, paid and just didn't feel comfortable so eventually sold them to binners at the same price I'd paid.

Oim considerably more honester than yow!

I called them and refused to take it at the price

Sucker.

A certain large internet retailer double delivered a telly to me, I got it returned and got credited for it. I mailed them twice to point out the mistake and then gave up. It seemed easier to ignore than deal with.

I now think of it as reclaiming some unpaid corporation tax and redistributing it to the 'hard working families' and sleep easily 🙂

I called them and refused to take it at the price...

Now that's just stupid.

by chance its from DFS? ..i am in the stock team, and i am looking for a missing sofa since xmas 🙄

have you checked behind the sofa?

heisenberg - Member

by chance its from DFS? ..i am in the stock team, and i am looking for a missing sofa since xmas

Haha, no. Its not.

"and shocked at your assumption that people on here would go bent for 600 quid.
so what your basically saying is I'd have to offer you atleast a grand to "go bent"?"

I once in the spirit of inquiry worked out my price to go bent given that I would never be able to work again in the job I sort of love. It was significantly more that £1000 just for it to be economically worth while . Now knowing I would lose the respect of crankygirl I would not go bent at any price.

i am in the stock team, and i am looking for a missing sofa since xmas

Have you looked behind the..oh, wait.

Mr C has hit the nail on the head, but people continue to speculate and judge the OP. Could be a few apologies due here.
OP, I think keep it and give em the rods if they want it back. Send out unsolicited goods, it gets kept, tough shite.

have you checked behind the sofa?

Which one? The OP has several.

£600 sofa = £100 Vat that doesn't then go to pay for schools and healthcare. Plus a few pounds of corporation tax on whatever profits might be declared by the company. No such thing as victimless crime, even when dealing with large (greedy) corporations.
This means that your theft isn't just from the company, it's from all of us too. Please take it on the chin, pay for the sofa and re-adjust a bit.

just to be very clear it would be dangerous to rely on a 2005 article in the guardian to understand the current effect of the unsolicited goods act 1971. legislalion.gov.uk is as clear as mud but implies the you get to keep stuff if 6 months have past and you serve notice and do all the right things rule has been repealed . the act never made it a crime to send unsolicited goods. It did make it a crime to demand payment and refuse to accept return .In any event it is really a weak argument to suggest goods you have ordered and then cancelled are unsolicited.

Those mentioning someone at the retailers may get into trouble over this, are you sure? Sounds a bit melodramatic, probably due to a computer glitch, I know every **** up with an order I've had has been blamed on those pesky computers

Updates -

My wife called the woman back who was quite to the point and said we need to pay for the item. My wife informed them that we would like to return it. The woman said this is not possible. My wife has said to call back tomorrow as she does not have access to the funds to pay it at this moment.

Now, I was happy to pay for it, but to be told that there is no possibility of a return. Is this right? The lady on the phone said that it is outside of the return period. But surely that is now there problem?

You are in the right this time.
The order was cancelled, they delivered by mistake, you accepted delivery by mistake, so they must take it back if you don't want to pay for it.
IMHO

Now, I was happy to pay for it, but to be told that there is no possibility of a return. Is this right? The lady on the phone said that it is outside of the return period. But surely that is now there problem?

This is where you get your haggling skills out the cupboard. They obviously don't want it back, as they cannot sell it as new for the same price....plus the hassle of collecting it, but they cannot compel you to pay for it due to them delivering by mistake.

Offer them 75% of the value. Seems fair.

Just tell them to come get it.

They cancelled, they delivered.

You never bought it so how can it be "out of the return" period.

a £600 sofa will likely only 'cost' them 200 --or even less --there is staggering mark ups on these things--very basic soft wood frame with some padding and a cover--huge amount of marketing --offer them 200 -take the money or take the sofa--say you won't charge them storage if they are prompt..

Prior to Xmas you ordered a sofa. Then the sofa was delivered in error. You said nothing and kept the sofa hoping never to have to pay for somebody else's property that you planned to keep. You have accepted the item and used it for a month. When contated by the supplier you have evaded and then lied about not being in a position to pay. It has been pointed out to you that the only way you are not a thief is if you do not realise that ordinary decent people would think it was wrong to try and take advantage of someones mistake to keep 600 of goods that were not yours.

The only way you come out of this ahead is if the supplier is lazy or stupid. Why not pay for the product you wanted delivered in the timeframe you wanted at the price you agreed. Said product being more to your taste than the alternative.

If you've used it pay the price you originally agreed.

If you've kept it unused in original packaging then tell them to come and get it.

Just feels like someone trying to get something for nothing by tying themselves in moral knots about nuances.

Now your at this stage then you need to tell them they have to collect it as you cancelled the order and have evidence that you did unless they can come to some sort of arrangement. Make sure you return it as it was delivered though don't take the protective covering off and don't use it.

Shouldn't have accepted delivery in the first place course it would have been a lot easier.

Edit: Dyslexia fixed.

Now your at this stage then you need to them they have to collect it as you cancelled the order and have evidence that you did unless they can come to some sort of arrangement. Make sure you return it as it was delivered though don't take the protective covering off and don't use it.

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Did I miss when this was defined as a sofa?!

I mentioned it somewhere earlier in the thread.

The sofa was unwrapped by the delivery driver the day it was delivered. Too late for it to be classed as unused.

Why didnt you refuse delivery?

hora - Member

Why didnt you refuse delivery?

I wasn't home. My wife wasnt 100% sure we had been refunded it. The fact is we accepted the delivery.
Immediately after it was delivered my wife phoned me to say it had been delivered and I just thought 'cool, free sofa. I'll check to see if it was refunded'.

My wife wasnt 100% sure we had been refunded it.

Yeah we get that but she still could have refused it.

My wife wasnt 100% sure we had been refunded it.

Yeah we get that but she still could have refused it.

True.

So are you going to pay for the goods you accepted and used?

crankboy - Member

So are you going to pay for the goods you accepted and used?

Probably not. It depends on what the lady on the phone says tomorrow. If she gets all matter of fact about paying for it then i'll say come and get it. Then buy another. From them.

Why not just do the right thing and pay for the sofa that you are enjoying the benefit of? Your last few posts suggest an intention from the outset to steal the sofa.

You're not proving any point other than showing yourself up.

*Edit: I doubt very much the "unsolicited goods" ruse would stick. All that has to be proven is that you DID place an order and so solicit the goods and make payment for said goods, and that the extra item is as a result of a despatch error, not sending unsolicited. I know that if this happened at my work, I'd be gunning for you.

Why would they bother to collect it? You accepted delivery and have used it. It would be cheaper and easier for them to sue you and add the $80 fixed costs to their profit.

I'm definitely going for troll. Surely nobody can be proud of being such a **** - and also being wrong.

Does seem to have gone from;

"If I legally have to pay I'm going to"

to

"I'm not paying regardless"