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There have been lots of threads from people asking about Amazon Echo. Amazon are also pushing hard on the "smart home" with a whole new range of Echo devices. Google seem to be mopping up the rest of the market with Google Home and I hear other electronics manufacturers are entering the market too.
Apple meanwhile are pitching themselves at a slightly different crowd who are happy to pay a premium for better audio quality, yet will be locked into Apple Music and Siri, who is universally acknowledged as being a bit weak as a virtual assistant.
Have Apple dropped the ball here, or have they simply sniffed out a market segment not currently served?
Maybe they just realise it's a fad and not bothering
All these speaking devices are not a resolution to a problem they are just a gimmick with a tiny weeny bit of helpful stuff
Apple meanwhile are pitching themselves at a slightly different crowd who are happy to pay a premium for better audio quality,
Well apparently they all sound rubbish.
I'm a Luddite I will stick to Google on my phone and a decent Bluetooth speaker
I think Apple realise that Siri is "a bit shit" so aren't pushing it until they've "done it better".
Have Apple dropped the ball here, or have they simply sniffed out a market segment not currently served?
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I think they've held back to see how the market develops, seen the success of the likes of Bose and Sonos and decided to step in to that market. It's a sideline to their main business so if it's rubbish and they don't sell then they'll just drop back out the market.
Nothing ventured nothing gained and all that.
Nah. They're never first to market with any product and what's the point in having a separate device to talk to when you can integrate it into all your devices. They're going to release one for sure but these things won't last. The tech will be incorporated into everything. Your fridge, Tv, cars, coffee machines etc.
I actually find Siri to be not too bad as long as you have a good internet connection. I often dictate text messages via Siri for hands free messaging. Not super slick but fine for simple commands.
I reckon they'll wait until they can make siri more contextual. Currently its basically just a voice controlled search facility/dictation machine. Being able to take the output of one request and use it in the next will be the key. Perhaps they'll then make use of their ownerhip of beats audio to produce something eye-wateringly expensive but beautiful to use that also sounds great (on full volume*)
*my car has a beats audio system. Its shit unless turned up to 11.
I think Apple realise that Siri is "a bit shit" so aren't pushing it until they've "done it better".
Anyone tried to use the google voice control?
There was a story in the news of a woman who managed to call the emergency services after an accident using Siri on her iPhone. Most of the time I could be perfectly healthy and end up dead of an aneurysm screamin OK Google at my phone it's that crap.
The tech will be incorporated into everything. Your fridge, Tv, cars, coffee machines etc.
This is probably a stumbling point for them, they like the Apple eco-system, but they won't be making an iBedsidelamp, iCarHeater, iDimmerSwitch so they need to figure out how they're going to interact with everyone else's tech.
TBH I don't see the point, Chromecast etc make sense as they replace your CD player, but unless your house is massive (and therefore probably has this tech built in), I don't really need to be able to switch a light on from my phone, or have my Fridge automatically put milk on a shopping list.
There is currently no smart speaker that works with Apple Music. Apple are clearly very serious about Apple Music, but people *will* leave Apple Music (e.g. for Spotify) if Apple don't get in the smart speaker market somehow. If they give up on the hardware market, they will have to get onboard with Amazon Echo or Google Home.
I've already thought about going back to Spotify just so I can have hands-free music in the kitchen.
I've already thought about going back to Spotify just so I can have hands-free music in the kitchen.
Except people leave spotify because you can't voice control it from Andorid.
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As an aside, am I the only person who thinks this sounds like it should be a French drink?
It's slated for a December release. Expensive though, but apparently much better sound quality than the competition.but people *will* leave Apple Music (e.g. for Spotify) if Apple don't get in the smart speaker market somehow.
personally I find the voice recognition on Siri excellent and use it all the time for making calls or putting things in my diary, etc, or for playing music in the car. Also dictating text messages or even just typing stuff into a search engine. (Not in public obviously!) I think people are just suggesting the things you can get Siri to do are a bit limited compared to e.g. Alexa (but then the argument is whether these are actually functional rather than gimmicky things)There was a story in the news of a woman who managed to call the emergency services after an accident using Siri on her iPhone.
They've already figured it out, it's called HomeKit. The manufacturers just need to make their devices compatible with it.but they won't be making an iBedsidelamp, iCarHeater, iDimmerSwitch so they need to figure out how they're going to interact with everyone else's tech.
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It is interesting how this whole market is a slightly confused mess of incompatible devices and services. Apple used to do a great job of clearing up that confusion by being a "one stop shop" for computery-stuff, but even they have lost interest in some of the peripherals.
it's like lots of walled gardens but with some secret passageways from one garden to another, but not that garden over there, no way 🙂
its only a gimmick until apple introduce it
see applepay, wireless charging, etc
tbf their ubiquity does help them force people/businesses to adopt
It needs an open standard API between all the devices. We all know how that turns out.
They've already figured it out, it's called HomeKit. The manufacturers just need to make their devices compatible with it.
A bit like USB then. We can expect Apple iDewellingAccessories, it'll be almost exactly like the HomeKit stuff, except whiter, and not compatible.
its only a gimmick until apple introduce it
Maybe. I think what Amazon have done well is to let people experiment with the tech by offering a low cost of entry. The Echo Dot is £50 and the full Echo has repeatedly been on offer for <£100. If all you use it for is a Bluetooth speaker that has a (voice-activated) radio built-in, that's not a unreasonable price. Apple's HomePod is reportedly around the £300 mark, which is not "take a punt" money in my book.
Can't find it right now but there was a recent graph of what actually gets used with Alexa - the vast majority is simple stuff like setting timers/alarms, read the news, play a radio station, etc. Not a lot for smart home stuff - lights and the like. That's despite mostly selling to the techie/early-adopter crowd. So all the thousands of Alexa skills don't get a lot of use beyond initial novelty, meaning anything Siri-wise doesn't need to be all that smart either.
Outside of the "smart" thing though I'm interested in HomePod (and the AirPlay2 stuff that others are planning). Sonus kit is nice but there's still not a good way to continue listening to a podcast I was listening to - there's almost too much control on the speaker side.
I think most smart speakers are a bit shite.
E.g. Sonos supposed to be the MEGA, but compare them to a wired speaker & they are dire.
A streamer & wired speakers are a far better option when it comes to audio quality.
It needs an open standard API between all the devices. We all know how that turns out.
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Apple fanboy here - who plays CDs on a "hi-fi".
Anyway I thought vinyl was back.
I can't understand why Apple haven't brought a range of actual TVs out. Think of all the obsessive, shallow consumerists that would die to show friends their new, sleek, ultra-cool TV with built-in Appleyness.
There have been lots of threads from people asking about Amazon Echo. Amazon are also pushing hard on the "smart home" with a whole new range of Echo devices. Google seem to be mopping up the rest of the market with Google Home and I hear other electronics manufacturers are entering the market too.Apple meanwhile are pitching themselves at a slightly different crowd who are happy to pay a premium for better audio quality
We've got an Echo (it was a present) and there's no way I'd bother playing music on it. It's fine for a radio but sonically it's pathetic.
In the other corner of the room I've got a B&W A5 which is superb and has real punch even in a big kitchen diner.
Those two devices are worth in the region of £450. I'd gladly pay the same to have all the functionality and sound quality in one package, wether I used Apple Music or Spotify.
its only a gimmick until apple introduce itsee applepay
You makea no sense. How can something that didn't exist be a gimmick?
Apple's HomePod launch delayed until next year ([url= https://www.cnet.com/news/homepod-delay-apple-smart-speaker-future-echo-google-home/ ]CNET link...one of many[/url])
I’m buying a module which means I can play stuff wirelessly to my separates system. Best of both worlds!
Amazon has a way to sell you anything and want to know your habits.
Google has search and shopping.
Apple has?
The market for the home speaker is not to provide you with a service it's to sell their products through, Google & Amazon certainly have the back end to deliver that right now which is what makes them work well - here in Oz they are predicting google to have the initial advantage here as amazon hasn't landed here.
I can't understand why Apple haven't brought a range of actual TVs out
I would probably buy one. It would look nicer than other TVs (which is important as it is on display) and I imagine the OS would work a lot better than the SMART TVs I have tried/owned.
Not everyone who appreciates Apple design is a shallow consumerist...
I can't understand why Apple haven't brought a range of actual TVs out
I would probably buy one
It would probably be a Samsung panel anyway...
Except people leave spotify because you can't voice control it from Andorid.
You can with Google Home, and it's pretty damn good. In fact, my 4 year old can use it. That's not really a good thing.
We've got an Echo (it was a present) and there's no way I'd bother playing music on it. It's fine for a radio but sonically it's pathetic.
Given it's price point, a radio is exactly what it's aiming at. For fancy speakers they produced the Dot with the audio/BT output. Cheaper than a cheap internet radio.
I reckon it needs the ability to push messages to you to really be useful. As in, between 7.30 and 8am it'll detect you are in the room and then tell you there's an accident on the Awhatever without you having to ask it.
Re voice control of Spotify, it seems to be possible via Android Auto, so seems crap if Google Home can't do it.
As in, between 7.30 and 8am it'll detect you are in the room and then tell you there's an accident on the Awhatever without you having to ask it.
Or you could just say "Alexa, how's my commute". I'd much rather the computer waited for me to initiate the interaction.
The Sonos:One looks quite good, and I think we will probably get one once Google & alexa are integrated into it.
The Sonos:One looks quite good,
We have one. It's OK, but compared to our proper stereo or even the iMac it's very much lo-fi rather than hi-fi.
Fine for background music, but if I wanted to 'listen to music' I'd use the stereo instead (whose Amp cost 4x as much).
We can control both via an iPhone, no voice stuff in this household!
My Apple TV, which does perfectly good Siri through the microphone in the remote, Linn LK280 and Kans is never going to be beaten by any smart speaker for audio quality.
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Linn LK280 and Kans is never going to be beaten by any smart speaker for audio quality.
And that is where people are missing what they are for. You have your devices plugged into proper speakers/amps if you want music at a high quality. As somebody said it's a radio more than anything else and the main purpose is to extract cash from you
No. Not too late. Apple will as usual do it better than everybody else. The other companies were too early.
And what is going on with these irritating new YouTube notifications?
The market for the home speaker is not to provide you with a service it's to sell their products through
Mike's got it, right there.
Google and Amazon are data collection businesses (as well as others obv). Products like Echo and Home are just conduits to either use you as the product then sell the data, or sell you more stuff. And this is fine, everyone knows this.
Apple seems to me more 'hardware-y' to me if that makes sense.
Apple will as usual do it better than everybody else.
No, they'll just convince their fanbase that they have done it better than everyone else.
Apple will as usual do it better than everybody else.
I think in this case they will have their work cut out with Songs. As for Google and Amazon, it's a different market.
No, they'll just convince their fanbase that they have done it better than everyone else.
All we need is for Mike Smith to turn up.
I'd much rather the computer waited for me to initiate the interaction.
Well I'd rather the opposite, so I'd like it to be a configurable option. It's not even possible to create a skill that does it, currently.
Apple seems to me more 'hardware-y' to me if that makes sense.
I think they also harvest your data. Have you checked the T&Cs?
yep plug your chromecasts into your hufi and nice tv, use google home to control them. Why try and beat the speaker/amp makers, why rebadge a samsung tv by putting white tape around the edge etc. Plug your (cheap) tech into the best you have and then control it.
Apple make money on the hardware then take on what comes through them. Google and Amazon have the infrastructure to sell stuff on to you right now. They have the smarts (through data collection) to know what is important to you, when it's important and soon why.
The problem I have with all this is that I am an Apple Music user and the HomePod is the only solution (when it turns up) that I can use voice control to play Apple Music. Sure, you can use Apple TV Siri through my main amp or "Hey Siri" and Airplay stuff to the kitchen radio, but none of it works as easily as Alexa. I've tried.
[edit] moreover, Apple don't appear to have any plans for a voice-activated, Apple Music integrated "dongle" I can plug into my decent amp. If I want voice-activated hands-free Apple music, it's the (non-existent) HomePod or nowt
I think they also harvest your data. Have you checked the T&Cs?
Way less than Google. Lots of stuff is derived locally on the phone rather than in a server.
https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/
I think they also harvest your data. Have you checked the TCs?
Oh, I'm sure they do, old chap.
footflaps - MemberWay less than Google. Lots of stuff is derived locally on the phone rather than in a server.
Any specifics?