Did you ever get my PM about the Pyrenees, Footflaps?
Edit to reply:
I don’t know whether to laugh even harder or feel sad for them.
Laugh harder, life's too short to be sad about someone who is happy.
Wrong forum 🙁
And yes, please crack the silence about the egg bike.
And yes, please crack the silence about the egg bike.
Omelette you into a secret. There's no point shelling out on one.
if you don’t agree with the facts disprove them rather than dissing the source.
I wasn't particularly agreeing or disagreeing with what was written in the article (and indeed didn't care sufficiently to read it all), I was stating that I am well aware of the law and don't need to be patronisingly reminded of it via a bottom-feeder free tabloid.
Funny (but unsurprising) that you've leapt on my secondary comments and ignored the primary. You could just be the bigger man and apologise to the OP for your baseless accusations, you know. That'd be a nice thing to do.
And yes, please crack the silence about the egg bike.
I’ve not been silent 🤣. Am in love with the egg bike, in a non-sexual, non-gendered way. She it was named ‘Ingrid’ before I thought better of it (at least in public). Mrs Rider and I still call her it by that name behind closed doors. All consensual.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/share-your-lockdown-bikes-/
Puts me in mind of an occasion in that there London I bore witness too. I was walking around the central area, probably been to a museum or something as I can't think of another reason to be there!, when I heard the wail of a siren in the distance. Now being a country lad, this got me quite excited since we only hear a siren round our way about once every 3 years. I followed the, ever louder, sound with my ears until after quite some time, the Sweeny/Flying Squad/some coppers in a car come screeching around the junction into the road where I am stood. They proceed to scream down the road at considerable speed, full blues and twos going, the noise incredibly loud between the tall buildings all around, then just past where I am stood they turn and screech into the first road on the left...... only to have to anchor up in a cloud of smoking tyre rubber, as a large group of Asian tourists have simply walked straight out into the road in front of the turning panda car! How they never hit them I will never know.
Now you're taking sides, Cougar. Moderation is good, taking sides and calling for an apology is not. It would be intersting how Mumset would respond to the same thread, or any of the others which steotype women drivers, pedestrians or simply women on this forum (remember Countzero's about tailgating a woman for miles then forcing past a few years back?). Or a road safety organisation. This is a male dominated cycling forum and I've made some points that don't please some male cyclists (edit: some are petrolhead ex-cyclists) but which from a legal and social point of view have validity.
Goodnight all. Sleep on it, and then look at it objectively in the morning.
Edit: why the need to mention the origin of the tourists, Welshfarmer?
as a large group of Asian tourists
Ah, the good old days.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/do-you-find-you-cant-be-arsed-disagreeing-with-people-any-more/
It would be intersting how Mumset would respond to the same thread,
There’d be more ****ing swearing for sure. Plus loads of weird TLAs.
Eggucator, scramble!
[strong]Edukator[/strong] wrote:
why the need to mention the origin of the tourists, Welshfarmer?
If I had just said they were tourists, people would have wanted to know how I knew they were tourists. I thought I would save myself having to make that explanation!
Now you’re taking sides, Cougar.
Only because IMHO I think you're in the wrong in this particular instance. Don't take it personally, I don't know either of you from a cheese sandwich.
Moderation is good, taking sides and calling for an apology is not.
Who's moderating anything? I explicitly said the opposite in my first reply here, I'm posting as a user.
I'm not "calling for" anything, rather I'm suggesting that it's something you might want to consider. If you disagree then, well, that's up to you. /shrug
Just because they were Asian doesn't prove/demostrate they were tourists.
When you said "Asian" you used one word and assumed we'd make a whole lot of assumptions about their background, attitudes and behaviour on hearing a police siren. It's using a stereotype to make your story work with a minimum of words. Just as in the opening post on this thread a minimum of words was used to create a stereotypical image and behaviour of the person crossing the road.
Now you’re taking sides, Cougar. Moderation is good, taking sides and calling for an apology is not.
A terrifying thought has just occurred to me: Edukator is not trolling and is actually this boring.
This is the spot.
Me - green (5 mph green slowing to walking pace (orange/red) to stop (red circle)
Peds - green, stepped out from between tall vehicles, not looking at junction, (she looked left a bit), didn’t stop and look my way until she got to her parked car opposite.
Then saw me waiting, before using ‘quiet/bicycle’ as an excuse for not having looked/seen me.
Still, glad I didn’t set off on my journey just a second earlier. Be careful out there - even walking pace it doesn’t mean there won’t be a swift-moving hazard appearing from behind that van/SUV
Judge Mauger’s ruling is pretty clear
Did you read the whole thing or the Google headline. " The pedestrian was awarded £4000 because she was the only one to launch a legal claim. You (the cyclist) could also have launched one.
the judge is likely to find in favour of the more vulnerable road user.
And now I know your trolling a cycling forum.
Show of hands for those that believe the quote above to be the truth. I've lost count of the number of vulnerable road users(cyclists)that have not been found in favour of -and they paid the ultimate price.
The highway code states that both the pedestrian and the cyclist have a duty of care. But as I linked there's a pedestrian side to the rule 170 you keep linking too and it it is the converse of 170 saying you should look out for cars turning in. And that IF you have already started you have right to continue. It doesn't say just walk out in front of them like a lemming.
So either the op is confused in what he wrote in his op or he's just agreeing with you for an easy life because they are two different versions of the same event.
Malvern, it didn't take long for the forum's omniscient contributor to chime in.
What a combination - fun sponge and arrogant.
Thanks for the pic, Malvern, there are some badly parked vehicles there, far yoo close to the junction with no authroised parking marking I can see. You were wisely cautious and the pedestrian did indeed have priority combining that with your description in the your OP.
Perhaps the rant should have been about badly parked vehicles.
Only really read the first page of this one but I spent the next 5 minutes wondering what on earth Edukator has ben smoking (or not smoking) today. I thought it was blindingly obvious what the OP rant was about and it was a perfectly reasonable rant. Recent rides I have had it has staggered me the number of people that are just bimbling in their own little world with absolutely no regard whatsoever to what is around them. Had several people just walk out across the road in front of me without even looking - fortunately for them I am just a cyclist rather than a car, lorry or bus.
Perhaps the rant should have been about badly parked vehicles*.
I’ll check with you next time before posting shall I? Oblivious/entitled people not looking and then blaming others who WERE looking... is evidently a political hot potato for some 😂
Cougar: It’s flavour text. A literary device often used when recounting a story. Have you never read a book?
I didn’t know the name for it but yes spot on. Anyway, this bald bloke tripped up and somehow pushed into an old granny in front. She whacked him with an empty bucket that for some reason she was carrying, and he shouted ‘OI! You better watch that bucket missus, dyou know who I am?
-‘GOO ON THEN, WHO AREYA?’
- ‘ mumblemumbling’
- ‘WHO?‘
- ‘mumbmbliMUMBLERING!’
- ‘YERWHA?’
- JONNYPICKERING!
- ‘WHO’?
- ‘YEAH! ME!’
I heard the
wail of a sirensound of a raised voice in the distance, opened a door, and found edukator in a room, by himself, having an argument.
edit (for clarity): FIFY
Just because they were Asian doesn’t prove/demostrate they were tourists.
Living, as I do, in a country which attracts very large numbers of Japanese, Chinese and, to a lesser extent Korean tourists, who always travel in large groups, even at home, it’s something which I’m particularly aware of, large groups of Americans are less common now, so I would have also mentioned their ethnicity because they’re certainly not going to be locals, who are far and away noticeably White and Caucasian!
I have to ask, Edukator, were you a founding member of the Pedant’s Revolt? Along with Which Tyler, perhaps? Maybe you just don’t see many Asian tourists where you live, not enough history there to attract them, perhaps? It seems likely that a close friend of mine gets more Japanese tourists to her Cotswold farmhouse than your entire country does, so you’re just not familiar with their behaviour.
-‘GOO ON THEN, WHO AREYA?’
– ‘ mumblemumbling’
– ‘WHO?‘
– ‘mumbmbliMUMBLERING!’
– ‘YERWHA?’
– JONNYPICKERING!
– ‘WHO’?
– ‘YEAH! ME!
Ronnie...
Wow just read this
Just as in the opening post on this thread a minimum of words was used to create a stereotypical image and behaviour of the person crossing the road.
I have no beef with you/whoever you are but I’d prefer not to be the patsy straw-man straw-person for whatever projection you’re indulging in. Cheers.
Maybe ask yourself if instead it had been a young father/old woman/middle-aged bloke/group of tweenage schoolboys described in my account? What then would you have felt?
Who exactly is the one here insisting/positing that the young woman showed ‘stereotypical image and behaviour’ here? Answer that please?
Maybe (and I mean this kindly, even though I don’t know you) have a good think about that before you start wiping that shit poo on me then pointing and shouting ‘euurgh, look, he poo’d himself, and what’s more he did it on purpose! Eurgh’
When you said “Asian” you used one word and assumed we’d make a whole lot of assumptions about their background, attitudes and behaviour on hearing a police siren. It’s using a stereotype to make your story work with a minimum of words. Just as in the opening post on this thread a minimum of words was used to create a stereotypical image and behaviour of the person crossing the road.
There's precisely one person on this entire thread making baseless assumptions and stereotyping. You're looking for an argument where none exists.
It's not that long ago that your 'Subscriber' tag read something else because of you throwing hand grenades and then not engaging with the replies. Have a think.
this bald bloke tripped up and somehow pushed into an old granny in front. She whacked him with an empty bucket that for some reason she was carrying, and he shouted ‘OI! You better watch that bucket missus, dyou know who I am?
Wait, what colour was the bucket?
So did the pedestrians really have right of way, if they stepped out from between parked cars, which means they presumably weren't at a junction.? If so, why did my Mum spend so much time telling me not to go into the road from between parked cars? Surely I would have been in the right?
So did the pedestrians really have right of way, if they stepped out from between parked cars, which means they presumably weren’t at a junction.?
Interesting point looking at the sketch put up above - my understanding from the current and proposed Highway Code is that a pedestrian has right if way crossing a side street at the actual junction, but in this case the sketch shows bad parking caused them to cross slightly further down the road. How close to a junction does a pedestrian have to be to have right of way, or how far back from the junction do they lose that right?
In any event, the OP was clearly riding sensibly and was properly aware of what was around him.
Just like the other thread that's up just now, I typed a response then deleted it and thought "I can't be arsed". But then I thought there's a slim chance that Edukator isn't trolling or just arguing for the sake of arguing, and actually thinks he's being reasonable.
Goodnight all. Sleep on it, and then look at it objectively in the morning.
As someone reading the thread for the first time, you come across as an argumentative pedant who is just itching to start a fight (even before the edited post). Seems perfectly reasonable to have a moan about someone walking in front of you without looking, and if we're getting all pedantic then it seems to me that the pedestrian is the one who disobeyed the highway code RE looking before you cross and avoiding crossing between parked cars. But no doubt you'll take issue with that too...
Is this actually happening?
I don't know what's more bizarre...the pedantry or the defence of the pedantry.
I have no idea if it's genuine or an elaborate ruse but either way it's a completely intriguing insight into how some mindsets work.
So there's a lesson for all of us in that.
Edukator. The whole way you have presented your argument has been objectionable - seemingly by choice.
As someone often labelled a ‘white knight’, even I think you are crossing the boundaries from sticking up for people often sidelined, to just using other groups as a weapon to bludgeon others.
In short - give it a bloody rest!
I've often suspected Edukator is actually an assumed personality that Mark uses to drum up traffic and lulz. It's the only explaination as to why he's never just been banned. Then I remember people like that really do exist.
And yes, that other thread. Of course if we ignore him:
So those with humanist, socially aware, inclusive and sharing views are happy to keep politiely defending them, and the authoritarian, xenophobic, police state, Brexiting, greedy types are fed up with having their arguments pulled apart and trashed. 🙂
He can never be wrong. Ever. I reckon an argument between him and Junkyard would have needed a server farm of its own just to host.
Ironically I seem to remember him being quite the cheerleader for Brexit at one point. When he wanted us to just sod off and have nothing more to do with us. He's not the only one that remembers that sort of stuff, we're just not creepy enough to keep a codex.
Yes, yes, personal attack, no proof without the codex, bullying, blah blah, boring. Maybe if he wasn't so quick to rip into folk and make up baseless accusations I'd be a little less liberal with the truth.
Calling out -isms is laudable but you’re just looking for an argument here.
That should really have ended the thread, or at least the tangent it lunged off down after about 30 seconds.
But that wouldn't be any fun, would it?
Magnificent stuff.
Then I remember people like that really do exist.
Accepting this and then understanding that non-engagement works is a blissful moment.
Accepting this and then understanding that non-engagement works is a blissful moment.
Difficult to do when the implication is that by not addressing any slurs you are tacitly admitting to them.
It is an art form of sorts.
Edukator
Why? You’d have been making more noise because that’s what electric cars do at low speed.
My colleague has just got a Model 3 and it does not do that. Coming in a future update apparently.
I’ve often suspected Edukator is actually an assumed personality that Mark uses to drum up traffic and lulz.
If it is, they must pass the logon around cos the guy who references mumsnet and other people's apparent misogyny can't be the same person who posted about his preference for what birth control his partner uses because of the effect on her emotional well being. Mumsnet would hunt him down and ensure birth control was never again an issue..
What, the ex-rally driver that bemoans anyone for enjoying driving?
Isn't this descending into bullying now guys? Maybe time for a bit of dignity?
Isn’t this descending into bullying now guys? Maybe time for a bit of dignity?
Fair point
Christ what have I just read?
Christ what have I just read?
Did it have Trixie or Trevor in the title? 🙂
😂
A fairly boring innocuous post that ended up generating 3 pages of petty bickering . This forum is unbelievable.
A fairly boring innocuous post that ended up generating 3 pages of petty bickering . This forum is
unbelievable.pretty reliable at this
A fairly boring innocuous post that ended up generating 3 pages of petty bickering . This forum is
unbelievablefairly predictable.
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Curses!
Beaten to it.
