[Closed] Got a speeding ticket!

paulmgreen wins thread! 😆

Of course, paulmgreen could just clarify [i]how many[/i] times he'd been caught...

mol is still the more observant of the two by a long shot.

Has anyone mentioned children's faces yet (can't be arsed to read all 6 pages)...

First page, 19th response:

If you couldn't see the signs, how would you see a childs face other than stuck to your windscreen.....

He made a mistake.

End.

He made a mistake.

End.

The others he was slating made the same mistake 🙂

In 30 years of driving 30-45,000 miles a year around the country paulmgreen has 8 speed tickets in over a million driving miles......

The last two in empty roadworks at 3 am or Sunday tea time....

This thread is heartwarmingly ironic !!.....

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The others he was slating made the same mistake

8 times in 30 years? That's a lot.

Molgrips gets a speeding ticket and the thread runs for 6 fn pages!

Molgrips makes the mistake of posting on here he got a speeding ticket and thread runs to 8 pages...It was never going to end well.

I'm surprised the great big 30 signs painted in the road didn't give any clue as to what the limit was, though, even if the ones at the side were obscured by tunnel vision.

Paul you are dead right. I'm not defending myself. I should not have missed the signs.

However I think they could make them more visible. Given that I was looking out for them and still missed them..

As for looking at the speedo - I thought it was 40, I was caught doing 40!

I sympathise Molly, I really do. Humans are, well, human and it's easy to make mistakes occasionally.

But honestly, I'm struggling to see how much more visible those signs can be from the photographs. There's five signs, one is high vis and three are the width of the lane and several metres tall. What could be improved about these signs you say you were looking out for?

Repeaters, I guess, but as we've read here it's a nationwide policy not to do that for reasons of [s]cost-cutting[/s] safety.

What could be improved about these signs you say you were looking out for?

If you are in the middle of those three lanes and looking down the road, then both those signs are towards the side of your field of view. In traffic, the ones on the road can be obscured.

For all I know I was blindsided by lorries, or the lights weren't working, I have no idea because I missed the whole lot completely. If they cna't put overhead signs in, then make them bigger and more visible - like they do in lots of other places.

It's another thing I'll learn from though - just like the time I pulled out infront of someone at a roundabout, or the time I was a bit too keen trying to overtake a lorry...

[i]the ones on the road can be obscured[/i]

only if you're too close to the vehicle in front, surely?

and if you were blindsided by lorries then a 15ft diameter sign isn't going to help, surely?

only if you're too close to the vehicle in front, surely?

I dunno. At 40mph stopping distance you'd get 2 seconds to see something on the road surface, faded paint, dark etc. However, thinking about it I doubt there was anything infront of me because I'd have noticed them slow down.

I can't really explain why I didn't see the road markings, but I do think the signs would be easy to miss in the middle lane.

The fact that I'd already seen 40 signs and the road 'looked' like so many other 40s around the country, and hadn't changed much since the 40 signs must've made me subconsciously assume it was still 40. I even saw the speed camera markings and didn't worry about it, because I rarely worry about them because I am pretty much never speeding.

and if you were blindsided by lorries then a 15ft diameter sign isn't going to help, surely?

A larger taller sign would be more visible from further away, and be visible over the top of vans etc. I guess that's why they do them like that in so many other places.

It sounds like you went onto auto pilot for a bit and just missed the all the signage?

I think accepting that and not blaming the road design might be 'a good thing'.

Failing that presenting what you've typed on this thread in court may earn you a 'driving without due care and attention' conviction 😉

So, in conclusion, Molly is either:

a) a completely wreckless driver with no regard for children's faces
b) an incompetent driver who should have his licence revoked

or possibly

c) human..

'looked' like so many other 40s around the country,

sounds like speed awareness required.

Can you honestly say you have nothing to learn.

I think accepting that and not blaming the road design might be 'a good thing'.

I've accepted my mistake all the way through the thread. However, given that I usually notice speed limit signs, and having reviewed the images, I think that they could do with making the signs bigger. I know I'm not inattentive, so the fact I missed them says to me that they are easy to miss. And the fact that I'd already seen the 40 signs so assumed I was 'in a 40' for the duration of the DC. Mistake, of course.

I was not on autopilot, I was pretty hyped up, but I was concentrating on not going wrong and following my directions...

Can you honestly say you have nothing to learn.

Of course not. I even said a few posts back that it's something to learn from. I haven't been offered a course yet.

I don't think overtaking a lorry would prevent you seeing the signs at the side of the road. It would also require another vehicle overtaking you at the same time as you overtook the lorry at the time you passed the signs for both to be obscured. And in any case, if you were alongside the lorry as you passed the sign you would still have seen it up ahead before you started overtaking. Unless it takes you an inordinate amount of time to do an overtake?

From the road design I think it looks the same as hundreds of other transitions from 40 to 30 I've seen.

I think blaming the infrastructure is you rationalising your belief that it couldn't have been your fault.

We have all done this or similar whether it's missing a speed sign or the name of a road we were looking for, you're not the only one - most people just accept it was probably their fault and move on, though.

However, I can see you won;t be swayed so I'll leave it there.

Moly I have a question not speed related!
You live in Cardiff IIRC, so what in the name of something nasty were you doing coming into Liverpool on the M62?????

200!

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Unless it takes you an inordinate amount of time to do an overtake?

Well if all the traffic is moving at close to the same speed you can be along side other traffic for a long time. You've never tried to look out for something on the roadside and had it completely obscured by a van on the inside? If you're faster than the other traffic by the right amount they can block your view completely from start to finish.

Or did you just not notice this happening? 🙂

You live in Cardiff IIRC, so what in the name of something nasty were you doing coming into Liverpool on the M62?????

M4 -> M5 -> M6 -> M62, obviously - which way would you have gone?

I only use overtaking lanes for overtaking mols, so I'm only alongside the truck for a few seconds 🙂

I've accepted my mistake all the way through the thread

With respect, you haven't. You've said "I missed a sign, it must be the sign's fault" rather than "I missed a sign, it must be my fault", which is why the great unwashed are now gleefully taking numbers to try and call you on it.

/DJ Voice

This one goes out to Molgrips, currently in his Passat, who didn't.

/DJ Voice

molgrips - Member

I've accepted my mistake all the way through the thread. However, given that I usually notice speed limit signs, and having reviewed the images, I think that they could do with making the signs bigger. I know I'm not inattentive, so the fact I missed them says to me that they are easy to miss. And the fact that I'd already seen the 40 signs so assumed I was 'in a 40' for the duration of the DC. Mistake, of course.

That's sound very much like you not accepting you're at fault (it's the size position etc of the signage), or that your were concentrating on the road conditions/speed limits because...

but I was concentrating on not going wrong and following my directions...

molgrips - Member

M4 -> M5 -> M6 -> M62, obviously - which way would you have gone?

Or even
M4 -> M5 -> M6 -> M56 -> M53

Don't worry most satnavs seem to take people that way & even the motorway signs hide the fact you can cut out that stupid way into Liverpool.

With respect, you haven't. You've said "I missed a sign, it must be the sign's fault" rather than "I missed a sign, it must be my fault"

Not really. I said it's my fault for missing the sign. However, the sign could still be more visible given that I was generally watching what I was doing.

The standard of signage is better elsewhere, why not there?

I have no explanation as to why I missed it, and I'd love to know.

That's sound very much like you not accepting you're at fault

Well it's not meant to. Let me clear it up a bit, if I can.

1) I was at fault
2) I was at fault
3) I was at fault
4) I feel that whilst I was at fault, they could've made it easier to see the signs.

Even though we may be obliged to complete a task, and we fail if we don't, that task can be made easier or harder, can't it?

4) I feel that whilst I was at fault, they could've made it easier to see the signs.

😀

Paul you are dead right. I'm not defending myself. I should not have missed the signs.

Fair enough.

However I think they could make them more visible. Given that I was looking out for them and still missed them..

It was all going so well 🙄

So you are defending your mistake then ?

You've constantly blamed the road design/signage/other traffic etc etc etc for the fact that you didn't see the perfectly adequate signs that it was a 30 limit.

Just accept it was entirely your own fault and move on.

M53 looks a lot further, and the M56 way involves going through Runcorn/Widnes. That could've been good or bad, I couldn't tell from the map, so I went with M62 being a safer bet.

Why shouldn't they make it easier to see the signs?

molgrips - Member

M53 looks a lot further, and the M56 way involves going through Runcorn/Widnes. That could've been good or bad, I couldn't tell from the map, so I went with M62 being a safer bet.

Ah well the safer bet 😉

Because where does it stop?

Do you check with everyone that the signs are big enough, or that 5 separate signs indicating the speed are sufficient?

Or do you find a reasonable size/quantity that anyone whose eyesight is good enough to drive can see?

I assume you usually see speed limit signs? If so, then they're big enough. If not, well...

I was not on autopilot, I was pretty hyped up, but I was concentrating on not going wrong and following my directions...

If only there was something that was right next to the directions you were following going 'boing' and indicating you were driving too fast. Oh wait.....

😆

Burn him!

If only there was something that was right next to the directions you were following going 'boing' and indicating you were driving too fast.

It went boing, but I didn't know what boing meant because I never normally hear it.

I didn't look at the screen when it went boing, cos I was concentrating on where I was going 🙂

Because where does it stop?

Just after the point where people who want to obey the limits and are concentrating will see them, and where they aren't obscured by traffic.

Most other places seem to manage it fine, why not Liverpool?

As above - that's a three lane road. The inside lane gets the inside one in their field of view, the outside lane gets the outside one. Anyone travelling in the middle lane may never get a clear view of the signs.

And we've not established if the lights were working either. They may not have been.

footflaps - Member

Burn him!

😯

miss read that at first glance!

Most other people [s]places[/s] seem to manage it fine, why not me [s]Liverpool[/s]?

fixed

Most, but not all?

Are you completely 100% confident you'd have seen the sign in the same spot? No doubts?

They're standard size signs, the same as everywhere else. If you normally see speed limit signs and/or the ones painted on the road, but didn't this time, it is not the signs that are the cause of that.

Why are you sat alongside a high vehicle for hundreds of metres without passing it? Those signs are visible from several hundred metres away, and can be read from over 100m away.

Are you completely 100% confident you'd have seen the sign in the same spot? No doubts?

maybe, maybe not.

but if I subsequently got a ticket I'd accept it was sufficient signage and it was 100% my mistake.

which you aren't...

miss read that at first glance!

Dr Freud will see you now...

but if I subsequently got a ticket I'd accept it was sufficient signage and it was 100% my mistake.

Hmm.

Depends what you mean by sufficient. Legal minimum, fine.

I just don't know why I completely missed the signs, since it's really very unusual for me to do this.

And having looked at the pictures, I can see how it's possible to miss. Lorry to the left, van to the right, you won't see either of those signs.

If I'd looked at the images and seen a massive gantry with signs all over it, then no question, I must've been half asleep. But I'm pretty sure I was alert, so that's what makes it strange.

You really can't see how those two little signs could be obscured?