Pure BS, people did care,
Meh, didn’t see this much fuss back then.
And now? **** all has been done to regenerate that part of the country.
You are right, let’s not let facts get in the way though eh.
So, be good to see what this current crop of inepts do about local regeneration when Honda lock the doors.
Of course, let’s not let facts get in the way eh.
Meh.
One other point is that sales have been falling in Japan, as well as Europe. So if Honda are to rationalise it makes sense to close a factory on the periphery and bring that production back to the core where there is also spare capacity, all other things being equal. Now that there is no import tarif advantage to manufacturing in Swindon (or indeed in the EU) then Japan makes sense.
The idea that Japan gave up diesel years ago doesn't ring true. Until about 20 years ago diesel cars weren't really almost unknown in Britain or Japan. They were more widespread in Germany and in particular in France for bigger cars such as Mercedes and things like Peugeot 504s, but mainly for taxis. They were just too noisy and slow for private cars. The Golf Mk3 TDi was probably the first of the fashion for diesels in ordinary cars. Note the redundancy of that "i".
Meh, didn’t see this much fuss back then.
It was everywhere. And rightly so.
As for the diesel squirrel … 9/10 cars coming out of Swindon are petrol.
As a side note, we are cutting ourselves out of a European wide push for electric vehicle production… so the big news isn't the ending of current lines… it is that future lines will not be built here. The UK car manufacturing industry will be utterly destroyed by Brexit. We'll make close to zero mass market vehicles come 2030.
Meh, didn’t see this much fuss back then.
Ah! I guess it didn't happen then as you didn't see it.
And now? **** all has been done to regenerate that part of the country.
You are right, let’s not let facts get in the way though eh.
No one has claimed otherwise or did you not see that?
But the there is this.
Goodbye Honda Motor Car Manfacturing.
Hello Geely ... 🙂
Your Volvo XC70 ... that's theirs. 😀
Hello Geely …
Or Goodbye the British Auto Industry, nobody has a reason to set up in the UK over the EU now. Those that are here will be making decisions about where they invest next.
I drove through Birmingham at the death of rover, so many houses with 2 Rovers on the drive and jobs at the plant. The hit to the local economy was huge.
Back in 1978, Leyland closed the almost new Number 2 plant at Speke Liverpool producing the TR 7, it was only open for 8 years and workers staged a 17 week long strike to stop its closure, this was the first major Closure of any newish plant in the uk, closely followed by numerous steelworks/potteries/ rail works, glass works/foundries and other engineering bases etc.
Honda may well be the first this year, followed by JLR, Toyota, Mini and Vauxhall,add in British Aerospace at Broughton and we will have a huge waste of highly skilled trades and office based staff.
The BBC seem very keen to say "not because of Brexit", whenever the headline is repeated (radio4), even when then having an expert on to say, "the Japanese don't know what we're doing, because of Brexit, and don't trust anything we say now, because of Brexit."
Honda are also closing down their factory in Turkey at the same time.
Also on top of this Honda Japan will have cut it's production for the Japanese market by 24% between 2017 and 2022.
Car sales in Japan have been falling for some years because of the ageing population.
Hello Geely … 🙂
Your Volvo XC70 … that’s theirs. 😀
Geely bought london taxis international (Black Cab) in 2010 when i was there and then shut press shop and body in white down and imported shell from china from then on .... Bye bye job 🙁
They probably get sick of the leavers screaming it’s not Brexit Kelvin.
The BBC seem very keen to say “not because of Brexit“
Presumably because that corresponds with what was said by a senior executive of the company in a BBC interview - unless you are a conspiracy theorist that would appear to be a pretty good first hand source and dare I say, probably better than an independent expert.
From an article out there
But a statement from Honda didn’t mention Brexit.
Next up, not really a statement that Brexit has nothing to do with it
In an emailed statement to CNBC, a spokesperson for Honda said the challenges due to uncertainties around Brexit remain.
"We still continue to see challenges in the future relating to Brexit. As we have previously mentioned, our desired outcome is frictionless trade between the UK and the EU, access to the right talent and regulatory alignment."
Perhaps a softly softly approach to retain those pensioners driving CRV's and not upset anyone too much, it's not normal for Japanese companies to stick the boot in, generally preferring a more diplomatic approach.
I'll read into my tea leaves mefty, you keep going with yours.....
Even if it is nothing to do with brexit (and that is a pretty big 'if' and a massive coincidence) then brexit is squarely to blame for the lack other companies investing and recruiting to take up some of the job losses.
dannyh
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The thing is that I can spend a full minute repeatedly saying “It is nothing to do with Brexit” in my head, like some kind of Orwellian Mindfulness and after that minute is up it is still no more believable than it was before.Quite how a lot of people are achieving their level of self-delusion really worries me – is it some kind of superpower?
Not a superpower at all; its merely called listening to facts from those who know (the person actually running UK Honda) instead of just ignorantly repeating its all down to Brexit like a demented war cry.
On one hand Remainers cry Wheres your facts to back the evidence up - in the next they all conspiracy theorists, and know the real reason behind things ...
mooman
...On one hand Remainers cry Wheres your facts to back the evidence up – in the next they all conspiracy theorists, and know the real reason behind things …
Obvs you believe everything you are told? Do you remember when Kraft said something about no job losses.....
Pretty obvious that people who love Brexit will claim it has nothing to do with it, and remainers will claim it does.
The reality is that a business decision like this consists of many factors, but it's clear that the fact that their products could suddenly become 10% more expensive for no reason is going to weigh heavily in the negative column. Ridiculous to claim otherwise. Likewise incorrect to claim it's purely down to Brexit.
This is how Brexit will play out. It will make the UK that little bit less favourable in every situation, and we'll get slowly left behind.
Presumably because that corresponds with what was said by a senior executive of the company in a BBC interview – unless you are a conspiracy theorist that would appear to be a pretty good first hand source and dare I say, probably better than an independent expert.
Or intact Honda themselves, when they gave evidence to parliament ...
Always seems odd to me why any company should answer anything to Parliament.
If I was running Honda in the UK, and made this decision, I’d just make the statement they pushed out and prepare to close the plant down.
No need to talk to anyone, at any perceived level they may think they have, about a decision made to leave the UK.
Quite what gravitas or influence Parliament may think it has, they’re just another bunch of people sticking thier noses in where it isn’t required nor asked for.
Always seems odd to me why any company should answer anything to Parliament.
Because they are not above or beyond scrutiny, in that case I assume it was part of the UK car industries submissions to the UK government about the impact of Brexit - as in they wanted to give that information
Quite what gravitas or influence Parliament may think it has
Really?
Not a superpower at all; its merely called listening to facts from those who know (the person actually running UK Honda)
What like this one?
"Howells added that despite the potentially negative impact a no-deal Brexit would have on Honda’s UK operations, its Japanese owners have no plans to move production away from Swindon."
Quite what gravitas or influence Parliament may think it has
Really?
Yeah really.
What power do you think they hold over company’s reasoned decision?
Do tell, keen to hear what power you think they have.
None, i’ll Save You the bother.
What are you actually on about bikebouy?
What are you actually on about bikebouy?
That's a question I often have when reading his posts.
Meh.
You know exactly my point, but that’s fine.
🤷♂️
No I don't actually, the statements referenced were given voluntarily to a select committee, nobody has asked Honda to make a sworn declaration as to their reasons.
Remember what Minford said…
Pffft! What do experts no.
