[Closed] God save the queen

Pistols would certainly be more educational.

There's another version?

I'm going to be a bloody nightmare if my son gets homework like that when he's older!

Funnily enough, I was listening to 'Never Mind The B******S' whilst messing with the bike this morning before going out.

Love 'Pretty Vacant' 8)

Pity the kids are haveing all this royalty lark rammed down their throats(along with us freee thinkers) as part of so called education/homework, next the teacher will be earning brownie points for getting the whole class to sing it on the strets.

I'd think that's a fair assumption OP, but you'd have thought they'd have preferred a 10 year old to learn the National Anthem!?

O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save the Queen.

Lovely little ditty for the modern world.

I like the way he sticks his fingers up at the establishment by being the front man for Country Life Butter.

jon - thats exactly what he is doing - the musical establishment / those who thing of him as some symbol.

Who killed Bambi? the whole thing was a cynical rip-off

It will be fun if mine have to do this, a trully terrible terrible anthem on every level
Awful slow tune and not at all uplifting whatever your view of the lyrics are.
Deity i don't believe in save a position I dont believe in...what's not to like?
and of course

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.

But that's the only relevant bit Junky 😉

Is there anyone else who might get a tiny rush of patriotism if our National Anthem was actually about our collective country, and not about the in-breds?

Mind you, free day off next Tuesday. God bless her majesty..

Not for me, only get the monday. Oh well, the roads will be quiet.

Oh well, the roads will be quiet.

Good point. I think I'd rather work then too, and have a different day off.

Viva la Republique!

jon - thats exactly what he is doing

No, he's doing it because they paid him loads of money. It's the marketing men using his image to sell their stuff.

jon - thats exactly what he is doing

No, he's doing it because they paid him loads of money. It's the marketing men using his image to sell their stuff.

Is it any surprise either way? Good as they were, the Sex Pistols were a manufactured band, and were always about self-promotion not politics. One or two anti-establishment songs don't make you Billy Bragg.

Not my god.
Not my queen.
Not really important, is it?

Not my queen.

'Fraid she is bud, if you live in the UK. Like it or not. Same as that p***k Cameron is my Prime Minister. Which I don't like.

No, he's doing it because they paid him loads of money

and presumably you wouldn't...

and presumably you wouldn't...

There are plenty of principled artists who wouldn't. Although, as someone said, Lydon may just have done it to fly in the face of what's expected of him.

He said in an interview a few years ago, he did the butter advert so he could fund PIl getting back together under their own terms.
Either way having to earn a living hardly makes him a sell out.

Either way having to earn a living hardly makes him a sell out.

Yeah, but some ways of earning a living reduce/wipe out your credibility as an artist...

One or two anti-establishment songs don't make you Billy Bragg.

Something to be grateful for, at least. 🙄

am not religious
i'll just say that i'm not a fan of the monarchy and leave it at that 😉
love the sex pistols 😀

Not my queen.

You'll be saying you're not British next...

I never really understood the 'god save the Queen' bit.

Theological sentiments aside, she doesn't really need saving does she? She's one pretty bloody saved Queen already, far as I can tell.

Mind you, free day off next Tuesday.

Not for me, force to take out of my days holiday allowance, along with the 4 - 5 days I am force to take over christmass means 4 days off between now and december.

Not for me, force to take out of my days holiday allowance

Isn't that illegal?

One or two anti-establishment songs don't make you Billy Bragg.

Something to be grateful for, at least

To each his own, but I'd make Bragg Prime Minister. Not many people hold such considered, rational views as that man.

nah not illegal but uncommon
PS its not an extra day remember its a leap year and they got a day for free out of those of us who are salaried.

To each his own, but I'd make Bragg Prime Minister. Not many people hold such considered, rational views as that man.

Never mind his considered, rational views, I'd make him PM for "The Saturday Boy" alone.

You'll be saying you're not British next...

Never mind his considered, rational views, I'd make him PM for "The Saturday Boy" alone.

And I'd make you Deputy PM for that!
Anyone who comes close to tears every time they hear "St. Swithin's Day" gets to be Chancellor of the Exchequer...

Isn't that illegal?

No but its they way the conservative party would like it to be I fear. Zero flexibility and employers and minimal happiness employees, makes for growth.

There are plenty of principled artists who wouldn't

I love the principled artist crap.

Reminds me of a very old story about an old gent in a first class train carriage offering a pretty young thing a seat in his carriage. After a while the conversation gets round to what each would do for a million pounds, slightly embarrassed she admits she would sleep with someone for that kind of money. With that the gent whips out JT, and slaps £10 on the table. Shes screams and shouts what do you think I am.....A Tart! to which he replies, madam we have already established that, now we are just haggling over the price. Says it all really, and frankly the truth of it is there is nothing quite so pretentious "as an artist being principled to his art". So good luck to JR milk it son, milk it.

If you are one, may I suggest you shut the **** up and keep it to yourself. Failing that if you want others to look at/engage with your art accept comment good or bad. That's what you have invited.

......and yes I have previous on the subject, and yes it boils my piss royally.

Mind you, free day off next Tuesday.

Not for me, force to take out of my days holiday allowance, along with the 4 - 5 days I am force to take over christmass means 4 days off between now and december.

You must be pleased for the Civil Servants who have also been given Wednesday off as a Privilege Day though?

BB seriously what is the point of your post?
All artists are prostitutes the only question is how much they want?

Have you considered the possibility that some people do have principles and they cannot be bought ?

You must be pleased for the Civil Servants who have also been given Wednesday off as a Privilege Day though?

Not bothered by it personally, I'd rather have my conditions upped than everyone else's lowered to match mine.

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Not bothered by it personally, I'd rather have my conditions upped than everyone else's lowered to match mine

And then, as if from nowhere, an actual Human Being speaks.

BB seriously what is the point of your post?

Ha ha! I was about to ask the same thing.

If you are one, may I suggest you shut the **** up and keep it to yourself. Failing that if you want others to look at/engage with your art accept comment good or bad. That's what you have invited.

I have absolutely no idea what that paragraph means...

Seems BB expects the world to live by his/her own (unclear) low standards.

I think its pretty clear to be honest, but as you are struggling with it here it is again.

If you are a principled artist that’s fine with me. Entirely your call, however, what that actually means is either a) art for arts sake and not for public consumption, or b) offering your art up for public consumption and accepting the outcome and genuinely not giving a flying stuff what anyone has to say about it, or more significantly whether they deem it worthy of giving you money or not. Both of those outlooks are absolutely fine by me, and have my full respect for those principles.

Where my view diverges is at the point where art is a business proposition and the principled artist is excepting to be paid for their work whilst flouncing about going on about their principles. Flock off! If you expect me to pay, then you have to accept that I have some choice in the matter, and some right to an opinion. That opinion might include not paying for or liking what you do so live with it. If that happens, at that point as an artist you have the same choice as the rest of us. Which is basically a real job and art as a hobby, or go hungry. So welcome to the real world.

Success/principles aren't mutually exclusive, Fugazi for example.

[i] If you expect me to pay, then you have to accept that I have some choice in the matter, and some right to an opinion. [/i]

Hmmm, I'm not sure that's right thought. You have a choice whether to buy something or not, I don't think anyone has "a right" to an opnion. You can offer one, whether anyone takes any notice is another thing.