Not to woory. England'll win against Slovenia, it's on BBC. They're always shite on ITV. Electromagnetic vibrations or something.
Whole team should be dropped. And the coach.
ANd the media... (not that the Sun actually counts as a newspaper)...
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i spent all night changing the exhaust on my Landrover, think I had the best night
All those england fans are Idiots. if they thought that by spending £1000's on going to watch a sub-standard football team kick a sphere around a lawn half way around the world was a good investment then they are fools. they should have spent their (borrowed) money on something a little more conventional like a bigger T.V to watch it from their sofa. 2k could buy you a lot of beer and a decent sized Flatscreen LED Plasma 3D TFT LCD TV!!
or maybe a good bike!
I've absolutely nothing to add to this thread, but have to say...
As a Scotsman watching that dross lastnight - even i felt slightly embarrassed for you.
The best thing about it was Adrian Chilles' comment.... "England's unbeaten run remains intact..." Hahahha!
Good luck for the next game.... you definitaly need it.
Thomo.
Highclimber - I don't think that you, I or anyone else can advise what someone does with their money. And being at such a huge sporting event is an experience in itself, irrespective of your team's performances.
And calling them an idiot displays certain idiot traits in itself.
I fluffed the Bale bit, really thought he was english!!
I wasn't advising, I was giving my opinion, which I am allowed to give as are you. Are you annoyed because you couldn't afford it?
But calling them idiots was a bit rich don't you think?
I couldn't think of anything worse than spending 2k on a TV and beer, going to a foriegn country, sampling the culture and taking in a couple of football games, on the other hand, is well worth the money, IMHO. 😉
Didn't watch it and had to laugh at everyone getting so animated - did you expect anything more than that shower of shite lol
Why would anyone think it was a good 'investment'? It's a perfectly reasonable choice but as long as they know that (like investments) things can go bad as well as good.
The problem is that they are idiotic (I prefer 'delusional') if they think that (i) England have a right to win and (ii) they will see a better game the more they've spend on their travel. Maybe it was selective editing but there were lots of people on TV and radio relating their disappointment to how far they'd travelled, how much they'd spent. They'd spent thousands so [b][i]surely[/b][/i] England must win. Football's not like that.
The England support are an odd bunch. I've discussed this with a few England internationals, two of whom were on the pitch last night. They tell me that it's completely different to playing in front of a club crowd. I used the term 'pantomime' in an earlier post (unless that was on one I typed but didn't send) because that was how the England players referred to it. The England support will cheer wildly if we get a throw-in in an attacking position but boo a player who makes a mistake rather than getting behind them. They are a strange lot, possibly because the majority are drawn from the lower divisions and find a big day out all a bit much?
Higgo????? It's all about being a fan of football, how you can make such a sweeping statement about the majority of fans being from lower league club is a liitle odd. Surely it's just a cross section of fans from all teams. As for the booing it happens at grounds all round the country, even places like Newcastle have suffered it!
Rooney apology to the fans just been read on Tv. Surprise surprise
Nah, you're wrong there. The most pressure I've ever felt under has been when racing (not bikes) even though it's really pretty inconsequential to my life compared to proper difficult real
life situations.Pressure is something we put on ourselves. No one can actually put you under pressure it's just the way you react to it which is why some are better at dealing with it than others.
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The pressure of bike racing has left me wanting to suck a gun barrel and pull the trigger at times.
It's all about being a fan of football, how you can make such a sweeping statement about the majority of fans being from lower league club is a liitle odd.
I'm really only relaying a conversation I had with some England players, two of them current. It was they who told me that England supporters were a bit 'odd'.
But since the conversation, I've, in a wholly unscientific way, been checking the make-up of England crowds (just based on the club names in the flags) and I reckon that the lower leagues are over-represented. Or to put it another way, it's very rare you see a 'Cross of St George' bearing the name of a big club with a history of European competition/travel e.g United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. It does kind of make sense, you can understand why following England has more appeal to them. (I'm not sure I expressed that very well, I'm not having a pop at supporters of small teams)Surely it's just a cross section of fans from all teams.
As for the booing it happens at grounds all round the country, even places like Newcastle have suffered it!
I've never seen it at Old Trafford and I've been there in the Docherty, Sexton and Ron Bangle years too. Not at the players anyway, the glazers are another matter.
I'm sure he meant every word of it.Rooney apology to the fans just been read on Tv
Rooney apology to the fans just been read on Tv
Someone from Nike has obviously reminded him of his PR responsibilities.
I think the problem with Rooney is that he's realising that he's not the world class player that everyone has told him that he is, he's not well adjusted enough to come to terms with it and he's handling it poorly just like we've seen him do in Northern Ireland and in the last world cup. Truly great players would transcend the poor performance of their team mates and grab the game by the scruff of the neck, as Cruyff would or Pele, Maradonna or Zidane.
Being average in the last world cup has been followed up by being poor in this one. He's been found out. On current form, he's not even worth a start.
my opinion is that if you think the players are played too much for what they do, try it for yourself. What, you're not good enough? What, you honestly think it's just kicking a ball around? Could you honestly carry the weight of expectation of a nation in the way that only the England Football team have to of all our sports teams?
Cycling is, to a large extent a sport for the individual, so the pressures to perform are entirely separate and far far less visible.
Despite his performance on the pitch not being great in the last couple of games, I'm actually glad that Rooney had the passion to let that out. It shows he knows the teams under par and cares. Without that, we'd definitely be out.
It shows he knows the teams under par and cares.
Funny that, I thought that it suggested that he was unaware of how bad they all were, they got off lightly really. I thought the fans were excellent as always and only booed the team at the final whistle. The rest of the time, they got the usual outstanding support.
i don't read it that way. I read it as utter frustration that both he and the team are under par and they know it. It's immediate lashing out at other parties that are critical of you, which in basic pschology is one of the signs of being stressed and frustrated.
[i]I think the problem with Rooney is that he's realising that he's not the world class player that everyone has told him that he is..[/i]
I think his problem is that he [i]has[/i] got the ability to be world class, just not the mental strength.
I read it as utter frustration that both he and the team are under par and they know it.
Yep, that's pretty much how I read it. I'm just interested in what changes are made on Wednesday and hope against hope that Heskey is dropped forever.
I think the problem is that the boy is very much world class in a team with probably only one other, Mr Gerrard - why do you think he spent so much time dropping deep to pick up the ball? Gerrard is way out of position and the rest of the midfield doesn't possess the ability to get the balls through to him, so he gets frustrated and goes after it himself.
Never has there been a player as overrated as Frank Lampard, and the rest of them are pretty much ok, but not world class. To win this thing you need 4 as a minimum true world class players, not 1 to 2 as we've got now.
Capello won't budge from his authoritarian ways and is destroying morale within the camp, 4-4-2 doesn't work when you haven't got 2 truly good strikers at this level let alone a midfield with only one really good player in it. He destroyed morale by dropping Green the instant he made one error, how must the rest of the team be thinking now?
Sean Wright Phillips just isn't good enough, we've got a makeshift defence , and the choice of a donkey, a lanky guy who can't take a beating and another midget up front - not exactly a world cup winning combo.
The lower league comment is just ridiculous, so this season are you saying Leeds, Norwich and Southampton fans aren't used to a big day out
Bit like some fool who reckoned it was worse for supporters of the big four when they lost when compared to a smaller team fans.
More like the fans from outside the premiership realise that these players aren't that great and don't think the sun shines out their arse.
For most of you saying they are over paid, you, in some way pay their wages.
The lower league comment is just ridiculous, so this season are you saying Leeds, Norwich and Southampton fans aren't used to a big day out
Well...
a) it's been a while since they've had to get the passports out.
b) England support isn't just leeds, Norwich and Southampton. It's Oxford, Gillingham, Rotherham, Tranmere etc etc. All of whom have valuable loyal support.
I'm really, really not having a pop at the lower leagues. When I'm not at Old Trafford I'll sometimes go and support Macc Town. When I lived in Bristol, I used to go along to City etc. But it is a statement of fact that watching Mansfield week in, week out or making a playoff final once in a while is not the same as regular exposure to big Prem or European games, home and away.
I just think that if you take an average supporter of e.g. Peterborough and an average supporter of e.g. Arsenal and asked them if they wanted to spend their money on an England seat then the Posh fan would be more likely to say yes. It's more of an opportunity for them and something they're less used to.
Anyway, I'll shut up about this now, it's a view I hold that's better discussed over a beer than by internet. I'll be in the Three Crowns in about 20mins for a pint (or two?) if anyone's interested.
neverfastenuff - surely as an England 'fan' you'd have known that Bale was Welsh?
Just back from a nice break in Italy and it was good to escape the majority of the hyperbole, hubris and bull that surrounds the England team, although watched the game in a nice lakeside bar on Lake Como last night 8)
The problem I think is that expectations are far too high, I guess the majority of dumb 'fans' believe what they read in the Sun and the rest of the tabloids. England aren't as good as they think! Their world ranking reflects their ability - if they played to potential they'd reach the quarters possibly. Any further and they'll have over achieved, big time. At club level all the England players are surrounded by Johnny Foreigner and Johnny Foreigner generally has far better technique than an Englishman, or another Brit, as he can usually control the ball when required and pass it to a member of his own team. I reckon the English players shortcomings are disguised at their clubs by being surrounded by foreign players - when you put a team of them together they are brutally exposed. Mind you, in the other match we watched out there, Italy were almost as pish 😐
I just think he's pissed off. Good! might put a spark up his arse.
Christian Bale is also welsh, He played batman, therefore, Batman is welsh.
Higgo, I think that you'll probably find that the lower league supporters are not the glory chasing folk that you think they are - basking (or attempting to) in the glow of players that they don't get to see on a weekly basis, other than on MOTD. More that they are the real followers of football. The people with a real and genuine love for the game. Please don't patronize them.
[i]But calling them idiots was a bit rich don't you think? [/i]
I'm not sure, let me look at the history of football fans and I'll get back to you........
Mmmmm, it's not far off the truth to be honest. I mean, there's obviously *some* football fans who aren't idiots but really, they are hopelessly outnumbered by the ones that are competely brain dead. And you have to make a call at some point. It's your choice obviously but personally, I'd try and avoid being associated with the type of people who look to the Sun for their political viewpoint.
The England team visited an orphanage in Cape Town yesterday, "Its heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope" said Jamal aged 6
We've just had Terry on the news telling us that there's no split between Capello and the team and that they are going to get their heads down and win the next game.
So why is the famed serial adulterer doing Gerrard's job with the media?
Could it be because the dull, monotone-matic Gerrard can't bring himself to say this stuff?
Must be a split between Capello and the team, then.
I'll say one thing for it, it's FANTASTIC car-crash TV...
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The England team visited an orphanage in Cape Town yesterday, "Its heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope" said Jamal aged 6
I lol'd.
Some cringeworthy comments this morning on TV from England's latest celebrity fans, Prince William and Prince Harry, flanked by England's mascot, David Beckham. WTF is Beckham doing there with the team anyway? If he's not fit he shouldn't be there, but seems to have been taken along as some sort of celebrity cheerleader.
I'll say one thing for it, it's FANTASTIC car-crash TV...
What's 'car-crash TV' in French?
In what possible way could I be responsible for paying furballers salaries? I'm not aware of one.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/20/england-player-revolt-world-cup-2010 ]Quite an interesting take on things.[/url]
See England's remaining games have been moved to the G@y Adult Channel...
... apparantly the sight of 11 @r$£holes getting hammered for 90 minutes was far too explicit for ITV!
Wimbledon and Le Tour start soon, so i'll have forgot about the world cup, Shame really I think.
I'll say one thing for it, it's FANTASTIC car-crash TV...What's 'car-crash TV' in French?
Le Car Crash?
Le underpass Place d'Alma?