[Closed] Getting older and peed off with politics

So perhaps the things we can agree on here is that bias has a lot more to do with perception than anything else?
How does Scottish coverage compare to the East Mids, South West or Yorkshire & Humber (similar populations)

I would say that especially reading some of the posts in here that a reasonable number of people will claim bias if the media doesn't represent their views on life (regardless of if they are right or not)

No I would say the bias during the referendum was simple and real. In a 2 sided referendum the news coverage on BBC Scotland regularly featured three guests from the three unionist parties and two from the pro indy parties,thereby allowing one side more time than the other. However for me the major issues are the lack of editorial control in Scotland and the lack of resources which led to some risible coverage and inaccurate reporting

The issues also stem around perhaps Scotland's idea of it's identity belies it's small population. Does it's treatment differ from the regions of similar population?

And she pointed out that of the £320 million million expected to be raised by the licence fee in Scotland 2016-17, only £175 million was due to be spent north of the border.

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Don't dismiss the role of soctal media 0 plays in scapegoating and fear mongering. At least regular media stick to some rules and regs it's not a complete free for all.

Just like me telling you how you should live your life in your home.

I think you've missed the point of the EU, Chew. 😉

Don't dismiss the role of soctal media 0 plays in scapegoating and fear mongering. At least regular media stick to some rules and regs it's not a complete free for all.

+1

Utter bollocks from someone's mouth apparently unconnected to a source is far more acceptable than utter bollocks from a source. Why do you think companies love product reviews and case studies? It's someone else pushing forward their product which (usually) makes their claims more quantifiable.

Also if you repeat a lie enough...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

"(Hitler's) primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

If the EU Referendum doesn't get your interest ask yoirself why not.

but I do not feel qualified to be making such a massive decision, and I don't believe that probably 95% of the voters will be, either.

Based on the work Tetlock has done, I wouldn't worry as there is evidence that "crowds" are better forecasters (and decision makers) than educated experts.

mikewsmith - Member
Just reading through the thread and this struck me as the sort of thing that doesn't really help with politics and engagement. Given the low level of turnout it's not possible from those numbers to determine that, it could also be that Nick Clegg managed to get a lot of new voters out who were disillusioned by the last term and didn't come back where as a bunch of non voting UKIP supporters could have been mobilised. Without better data it's all speculation.

And you're stating the obvious saying it's speculation, well no shit sherlock.

Yes it is speculation, but with 34% not turning out its still anyones guess so why speculate like you know what happened?

mikewsmith - Member
Yes it is speculation, but with 34% not turning out its still anyones guess so why speculate like you know what happened?

Well lib dems flocking to UKIP is certainly an interesting one...

mikewsmith - Member
Well lib dems flocking to UKIP is certainly an interesting one...

So is the idea that there are 15% entrenched lib dem voters out there.

They've went for 7% to 9% to 15% to 5%.

They achieved the 15% with clegmania which tells me that the extra libdem voters are swayed by savvy media characters.

So it's not particularly a big stretch that they would flock to the next most savvy media character.

Ego, I speculate, that there's a load of voters out there that don't want to vote for the big 2 and will easily be swayed by the next media darling, regardless of policies.

I'm also taking from this that UKIP isn't a particularly serious threat. (unless they end up in coalition.)

I was mostly thinking that the lib dems and UKIP have almost opposing policies so it may just be the very hard of seeing getting confused. There are plenty of non voters to cause a massive swing in any direction in any election.

I personally don't really see one section population not voting, then another section deciding en-masse to vote for another party.

Particularly when the lib dem voters couldn't see that they actually done a reasonable job of being the tories anchor.

That tells me that policy and actions in government aren't really being analysed by the extra vote that they picked up in the proceeding GE's.

I'm not really just basing my opinions on pure numbers, but going with what I feel is correct based on general observations over years.

Your opinion may differ.

The Lib Dem vote was always a mess of people with conflicting views, IMO the following happened:

West Country and Welsh rural Lib Dems voters will have moved to the Tories, inner city student types will have gone to Labour or Greens and in Scotland they went primarily over to SNP. Result vote total melt down.

I honestly can't see many Lib Dem voters going over to UKIP.

Pondo - Member
- but I do not feel qualified to be making such a massive decision,

mefty - Member

...If only we had proportional representation...

Always good to hear all the golden oldies.

It may not be a panacea but not getting a majority government that the majority didn't vote for would be a step in the right direction imo

I'm still pouring over the facts and figures from yesterday now I've had a much needed night of sleep. The combined circulation of The Daily Heil and The Scum account for fifty percent of the total, which is a sobering thought.

Back to politics and the original subject of this thread, I cannot recall another time when I was more exasperated and mistrustful of any government. To be able to say that after ten years of Blair makes me feel as though we've somehow reached a new low.

Pimpmaster Jazz - Member

Just like me telling you how you should live your life in your home.

I think you've missed the point of the EU, Chew.

The combined circulation of The Daily Heil and The Scum account for fifty percent of the total, which is a sobering thought

I'm completely exasperated.. I've always voted but did not vote in the last election.. I just can't vote for any oo them at the moment in good conscience.

The results of a fptp election may not resemble a problem one