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[Closed] German GP...Ferrari..how could you!

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I just want the driver who has proved himself over a season to be the best driver in the best car to win it.

I am sure if Alonso wins it now (by such a small margin), he will always have it in his head that he only won because his managers made his team-mate (who he couldn't overtake on the track like a proper grown up racing driver should be able to do) pull over for him.

Just like I can imagine Contador will feel he has a slightly hollow victory in the TdF after taking advantage of Shrek's mechanical (which isn't in the spirit of the race).


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 11:52 am
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I hope Alonso trips over his bottom lip when he's next having a hissy fit and suffers some minor injury that keeps him out for the rest of the season!

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Posted : 28/07/2010 11:53 am
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That's pretty much the crux of it. I've said before that I think Alonso probably is the best overall at the moment and as such would like to see him win but I still think he should win because he deserves to, not simply because the team decide to give it to him.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 11:54 am
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Yeah Alonso MAY be the best driver, but the Championship isn't just about the driver - it is a combination of driver and car so whoever gets the best package should (and generally does) win.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 11:58 am
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Yes, we all know that but what's great about this season so far is that the cars have pretty much equalled out by reliability and performance.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 11:59 am
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Alonso is not the best driver. Hes passed his talent window.

No offence to Massa. Hes a good driver but not great. In a similar mould to Eddie Irvine who also came close to winner the Championship one year.

This year is very close due to the cars/regs matching the cars closely.

Alonso is constantly frustrated partly due to himself as hes talent is waning IMO. He wants to win but hes two years passed his best form. All thats left is frustation and petulence.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 12:01 pm
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You're just dreaming if you think it isn't a team sport, sorry. I repeat, when other teams are in this situation (of having one driver much more favourably placed in the Championship) they will do exactly the same. As for McLaren, I don't believe they are any more of "racing" team than any other - they just are more persistent in spinning their image on that subject. Maybe the culture is a little different now that Ron has stepped into the background, but I doubt it.

m_f - obviously I know what the [i]driver[/i] would prefer! That's irrelevant though - no driver has his own team, it isn't up to him. There is $300M behind each team each year - the stuff that most fans find exciting is not top of the team's priorities, no matter what they claim.

Put it this way, Coulthard has suffered badly over his career from team orders and inequality - and even he thinks the team orders ban is dumb.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 12:03 pm
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I personally feel that Alonso is just getting started hora. He's only been in a Ferrari for a few tests and half a season of races. He will continue to build.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 12:06 pm
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glenp is spot on with this - the teams are the people who pay for the entry to the F1 grid, they then hire the drivers and the drivers get to fight for a WDC as a reward for driving for the team (as well as trousering a few million). The team are more interested in the WCC but would like the WDC as well, so if they can get the same total number of points but increase their chance of winning the double, why wouldn't they?

If the drivers were to enter directly and hire a car from a team then we'd get rid of team orders, but that ain't how F1 works - or pretty much any other form of motorsport.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 12:07 pm
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they will do exactly the same.

Maybe they will and I would view it just as dimly - this isn't an anti-Ferrari view, it is an anti-team orders view.

Yes it is a team sport, but the rules do state that it is illegal to have team ORDERS. Whether or not this is practically enforcible is another discussion completely. The point was on Sunday it made the race less interesting (I had been looking forward to seeing Alonso try to get around the moving obstacle in Massa). And as I have said before, I would rather see two drivers racing tyre to tyre for track position rather than pulling over because the team tells them so.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 12:16 pm
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Team orders always have & always will happen

Ferrari simply mis-managed it, they could have swapped them round in the pits or moved Massa onto an aggressive fuel save mode
Domenicali is simply crap at his job when doing these sort of things

& Hora, I bet there's a lot of F1 teams out there that are glad you're not their tallent scout


 
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Posted : 28/07/2010 1:14 pm
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That's very good - the expression on the poor guy's face.

Sad for Massa actually - he got very close to the Championship, but he's not going to get another chance I fear.


 
Posted : 28/07/2010 1:23 pm
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