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Guardian article on the same visit https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/israeli-foreign-minister-david-lammy-uk-foreign-office
Posted : 18/04/2025 3:25 pm
What does that actually mean - "private visit"? He came to see his tailor and just happened to bump into Lammy in Fortnum & Mason's ?? How stupid do they think we are ??
Posted : 18/04/2025 5:02 pm
From the very obviously pro-Israeli Times of Israel :
While unauthorized outposts are illegal under Israeli law, it is common for them to receive support and funding from state bodies tied to the settler movement.
“In an operation that appears to have been planned in advance, the army is once again collaborating with settlers to establish illegal farm outposts, which are used to violently expel Palestinians under the auspices of the state,” Yesh Din says in a statement.
So not only does the IDF and the Israeli government continue to blatantly ignore the Geneva Convention and international law with regards to using Israeli civilians as instruments of conquest, but they also brazenly ignore Israeli law.
They really are a lawless terrorist state.
Posted : 19/04/2025 8:07 am
So it turns out that executing emergency workers and burying their vehicles was just a simple innocent mistake. So grateful to the IDF for their thorough and impartial investigation, quickly clearing up this question. Just what we expect from the world’s most moral army.
Posted : 20/04/2025 7:05 pm
So it turns out that executing emergency workers and burying their vehicles was just a simple innocent mistake. So grateful to the IDF for their thorough and impartial investigation, quickly clearing up this question. Just what we expect from the world’s most moral army.
Did we really expect anything else from those lying bastards?, every single utterance from their lips is a lie.
Posted : 20/04/2025 7:22 pm
Yeah I found the whole it was "a mistake" nauseating.
Murdering in cold blood 15 very clearly identifiable first responders, and then burying them with their equally very identifiable vehicles, was very obviously not "a mistake".
But, as I said earlier, not checking the corpses for mobile phones with incriminating evidence very clearly was a mistake.
And it is for making that mistake that the deputy commander of the brigade responsible has been dismissed. That should emphasis to IDF officers the need to cover-up mass murder crimes more effectively in the future.
Although at least one extreme right-wing Israeli cabinet minister is outraged that anyone at all should have had their wrists slapped.
Israel’s extreme-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, called the army chief’s decision to dismiss the responsible deputy commander “a grave mistake”.
Posted : 20/04/2025 7:42 pm
So it turns out that executing emergency workers and burying their vehicles was just a simple innocent mistake. So grateful to the IDF for their thorough and impartial investigation, quickly clearing up this question. Just what we expect from the world’s most moral army.
I can't share the WhatsApp group discussion I'm in, but needless to say we've just listed the ways we'd be professionally and legally cooked. From low level drills all the way to LOAC stuff.
Commander couldn't PID targets? ID'ed a fire truck as a regular truck? Couldn't get confirmation or PID from air assets? Still went ahead and called the engagement. JFC.
As for the UAV, I know for a fact the lights would have shown on IR sensors, rotating or flashing beacons have a distinct signature, worst case you flick to day-TV and you can see them.
Those troops have NVG, sighting systems, all the toys that are provided to assist with PID and indicating targets between assets.
Even If you're being naively generous then that is a monumental level of incompetence for 'professional' reece elements and their commanders. The clue is in the name, seems they need some remedial training and some eye tests.
That's even before we even start to discuss the absolutely ruthless attempt at hiding the crime.
No matter the chain of events, or engagement process, somebody (non-IDF) was dying in that kill zone that night.
This is a very good discussion with Ilan Pappé
Posted : 20/04/2025 9:07 pm
This is the most concise and yet thorough appraisal of current United States policies with regards to the Middle East I have yet seen
And Jeffrey Sachs is of course Jewish, if that matters.
Posted : 23/04/2025 9:23 am
Unfortunately, Professor Sachs is known for as many errors of judgement as good calls and he has an unshakeable belief in his own credibility. He's primarily an economist
His theme of several years is that US foreign policy caused Russia to invade Ukraine. He's suggested that the US was responsible for breaching the Nord Stream pipelines and that Covid-19 originated in US labs and he's been a guest on a RFKjr podcast
Posted : 23/04/2025 10:55 am
A Jewish anti-israeli conspiracy theorist no doubt
Edit : Btw I actually think the fact that he is an economist adds to his creditability, he has no obvious axe to grind.
Posted : 23/04/2025 1:34 pm
We all know what settlers are, the 700,00+ settlers should be kicked out of stolen lands.
Posted : 27/04/2025 8:54 pm
I don't think the average person in the UK really understands what sort people the colonial settlers in Occupied Palestine are.
And I am certainly a very long way from knowing everything about Israeli apartheid, it is a totally unique system anywhere in the world.
The more the world learns about it the more world will see how totally unacceptable it is.
Posted : 27/04/2025 9:10 pm
I don't think the average person in the UK really understands what sort people the colonial settlers in Occupied Palestine are.
And I am certainly a very long way from knowing everything about Israeli apartheid, it is a totally unique system anywhere in the world.
The more the world learns about it the more world will see how totally unacceptable it is.
I remember getting a months long ban way back in 2004 for what I wrote on this forum regarding Israeli settlers and my opinion of them and their supporters.
At the time I had just read "Joe Sacco - Palestine" and I then went on a reading spree of other books regarding Israel and the Palestinians so I was rather outspoken and not as "careful" with my words/phrases as I am today.
A mate that works in diplomacy/relations/communication for Halo Trust (just up the road from me) has been back in the country for easter so he's coming to see me this week, he knows Rob Holden - WHO Emergency Coordinator and has sort've mentioned what he has been told by Rob regarding what the IDF have doing and the utter sheer barbarity of their actions on the ground - it's just horrific, I don't understand why it is not stopped as our politicians must have the evidence and be fully aware of what is happening.
Posted : 27/04/2025 10:02 pm
As an aside this is a good interview/grilling/discussion with the excellent Sangita Myska and Mehdi Hussain
Posted : 27/04/2025 10:05 pm
I don't understand why it is not stopped as our politicians must have the evidence and be fully aware of what is happening.
I don't think it is really anything much complicated than the fact that Israel is seen as a vital ally in a region perceived to be important to Western interest.
The West is perfectly prepared to prop up and support the most brutal of regimes if politicians feel it serves their interests.
I am not sure what will happen as Israel's plan to starve over 2 million Palestinians in Gaza gathers pace though. That could be prove tricky for Western governments.....2 million deaths through deliberate starvation.
The UK government did oversee the starvation of 3 million Indians during the totally avoidable and unnecessary Bengal Famine of 1943, and got away with it. But that was before the age of the internet and videos, and settler-colonialism is also now so last century.
Posted : 27/04/2025 10:26 pm
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Kneecap have released a statement in response to the concocted moral outrage over their recent performance at Cochella,
https://twitter.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1916982746708381731
Statement below
Their full statement:
They want you to believe words are more harmful than genocide.
Establishment figures, desperate to silence us, have combed through hundreds of hours of footage and interviews, extracting a handful of words from months or years ago to manufacture moral hysteria.
Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action.
This distortion is not only absurd - it is a transparent effort to derail the real conversation.
All two million Palestinian people in Gaza are currently being starved to death by Israel.
At least 20,000 children in Gaza have been killed. The British government continues to supply arms to Israel, even after scores of NHS doctors warned Keir Starmer in August that children were being systematically executed with sniper shots to the head.
Instead of defending innocent people or the principles of international law, the powerful in Britain have abetted slaughter and famine.
This is where real anger and outrage should be directed towards.
To the Amess and Cox families, we send our heartfelt apologies, we never intended to cause you hurt.
Kneecap’s message has always been — and remains — one of love, inclusion, and hope. This is why our music resonates across generations, countries, classes and cultures and has brought hundreds of thousands of people to our gigs.
No smear campaign will change that.
Suddenly, days after calling out the US administration at Coachella to applause and solidarity, there is an avalanche of outrage and condemnation by the political classes of Britain.
The real crimes are not in our performances; the real crimes are the silence and complicity of those in power.
Shame on them.
Posted : 28/04/2025 11:54 pm
In addition to Ernies comment its also the weaponisation of the term antisemitic. Any criticism of Israel leads to loud cries of antsemite. As labour used this to attack the left they are now hoist by their own petard and dare not criticise Israel.
Posted : 29/04/2025 12:05 am
In addition to Ernies comment its also the weaponisation of the term antisemitic. Any criticism of Israel leads to loud cries of antsemite. As labour used this to attack the left they are now hoist by their own petard and dare not criticise Israel.
I have a couple of Palestinian flags with the wording “stop the genocide, end the apartheid, free Palestine” on the rear window of my car for the past 18 months and have had the antisemite slur shouted at me, once, briefly at Dumfries hospital whilst in the car park and recently at Dumfries Aldi car park waiting on mum to get shopping where he said he was calling the police and then launched into a semi screaming match but I just laughed and shouted back “crack on ya …………..”
If they throw it around then eventually it’ll lose all meaning, call me whatever you want, it’s utterly meaningless
Posted : 29/04/2025 12:32 am
Louis Theroux "The Settlers" is on tonight.
With the BBC now desperately scared of being accused of anti-semitism the Louis Theroux programme was in fact far better than I had feared would be the case.
The colonial settlers and the IDF really didn't come across as very nice people. And there was something quite sinister about Daniella Weiss's whole demeanour, Theroux made some comment at the end about her being an extremist with a smile.
Posted : 29/04/2025 12:52 am
And the important thing to know about Daniela Weiss is that she isn't just some nutter on the fringes who believes that Israel should stretch fom the Euphrates to the River Nile, she has very direct links with members of the Israeli Cabinet.
Posted : 29/04/2025 1:02 am
Louis Theroux "The Settlers" is on tonight.
With the BBC now desperately scared of being accused of anti-semitism the Louis Theroux programme was in fact far better than I had feared would be the case.
The colonial settlers and the IDF really didn't come across as very nice people. And there was something quite sinister about Daniella Weiss's whole demeanour, Theroux made some comment at the end about her being an extremist with a smile.
I/we met enough of them in Anjuna, Goa back in 2001 to very rapidly form a valid opinion of the IDF, we spent 7/8 weeks in Goa to relax after our 4 odd months touring around on the Enfield and whilst there were a few very cool chilled Israelis hiding out to avoid military service unfortunately they were treated like shit by the IDF goons, the same way the IDF Israelis treated the locals was ****g disgusting.
They took over the semi open Baskin Robbins ice cream parlour on the corner of mapusa rd/starco junction heading down to the beach and treated the staff to slaps, kicks, stuff thrown at them, shoving them around, smoking chillums at all times of the day and dealing large amounts of pills, coke, weed and hash in front of customers/tourists over the few weeks we stayed in Anjuna, but one night that all turned very very sour for them as a large mob of Indians who we later learned were “mob” from Mumbai turned up and absolutely laid into them with machetes, bats, bars etc.
We watched all this happening from the rooftop bar 50ft down/across the road and thought “let’s get out here before the police turn up” so we headed down to Palolem beach south Goa for a few weeks and read about it/watched reports on the bar TV’s.
Made all the Indian press at the time and a few were left with very serious life long injuries, can’t say I was fussed in the slightest.
Posted : 29/04/2025 2:05 am
Starmer has used similar language, with the British government keen not to get too far ahead of the US.
Why on earth would a Labour government not be keen to get far ahead of a neo-fascist administration?
Posted : 07/05/2025 12:05 am
@fenderextender:
What constitutes 'terrorist machinery' now in any case? A school that has pupils who might go on to be terrorists? A hospital that houses people who might be angered enough by life-changing injuries to pick up a suicide vest?
And what about the hundreds of thousands of new recruits that Israeli actions have created? Kill them all?
Posted : 28/10/2024 12:24 pm
Kill them all?
Err yes, haven't you been paying attention?
(With apologies for the formatting. )
Crystal ball available for hire.
Posted : 07/05/2025 6:37 am
It is really hard to believe just low supporters of Israel are prepared to stoop. They really are shameless and lacking the most basic decency and humanity.
The Lancet found life expectancy in Gaza decreased by 34.9 years during the first 12 months of the war, about half (-46.3%) the prewar level of 75.5 years.
Ben Jamal, the director of the PSC, said: “As children in the Gaza Strip face the growing risk of starvation, illness and death, the suggestion by the head of UK Lawyers for Israel that they might benefit from weight loss is utterly sickening. These repulsive comments illustrate exactly what it means to be ‘for Israel’ and how low its apologists are prepared to sink in their attempts to justify genocide in Gaza.”
Presumably UK lawyers for Israel would argue that the Lancet is anti-semitic. And they have had remarkable success in the past with their racist claims that being supportive of Palestinians by definition means being anti-jewish. According to the article :
A complaint by UKLFI led Chelsea and Westminster hospital in London to remove a display of artwork by Palestinian children in 2023 after the group claimed that it made Jewish patients feel “vulnerable, harassed and victimised”.
Posted : 10/05/2025 6:42 pm
Saw that posted a few days ago by Francesca Albanese 😡
Uk lawyers for utter genocidal ****s would be a more fitting description, they deserve everything coming their way for such bullshit
Posted : 10/05/2025 6:46 pm
The scholar and writer Hamza Yusuf said on X that the outrage over everything depicted in The Settlers “says a lot about how well the media has shielded the public from the brutal reality of Israel’s occupation”.
As proud as I am of the film, I know that our documentary could never capture the full impact of what is unfolding in the West Bank. The reality of the displacement and harassment is often in interactions that are more extreme than those I saw.
Posted : 11/05/2025 8:52 am
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