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I posted this in the Trump thread but it should have been here really:
Incase anyone’s in any doubt which direction Trump is going to head in regard to Israel and Gaza:
As we’ve been reporting, Mike Huckabee is Donald Trump’s pick to be the next US ambassador to Israel
The former Arkansas governor and Baptist minister made his first trip to Israel in 1973 and has since led dozens of Christian missions to the country, with whom he he has declared a “visceral, personal” connection. During a 2018 visit, he donned a hard hat and laid bricks for a new housing complex in the West Bank settlement of Efrat, saying he “might one day like to purchase a holiday home” there.
In his first run for president in 2008, Huckabee said: “There’s really no such thing as a Palestinian.” When he ran again in 2016, before dropping out and endorsing Trump, he vowed to back the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, which he called “an integral part” of Israel
So, yeah…
No, the point of the link was just to evidence what UEFA can do when it wants to. Of course punishing Israeli hooligans is “antisemitism”, so they won’t do that.
I think you are missing the point that it takes UEFA months to consider a case and issue sanctions. I agree that any the Israeli and Dutch clubs should be sanctioned for the violence and/or racism of their fans. The fact that it hasn't happened yet is not evidence of a cover up as you seem to be implying.
I think you are missing the point that it takes UEFA months to consider a case and issue sanctions. I agree that any the Israeli and Dutch clubs should be sanctioned for the violence and/or racism of their fans. The fact that it hasn’t happened yet is not evidence of a cover up as you seem to be implying.
I'll bear that in mind. But I'm not holding my breath.
Yep, definitely the right man for the job.
Mike Huckabee once said that ‘there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian’
US: "You absolutely must have implemented these 15 things by 13th November or we will definitely suspend some arms supplies this time. We're, like, really cross now".
Israel: "We've not done them. We've made token efforts at the easy ones and ignored the others. We're going to pretend we have, you know otherwise. Soz and all that".
US: "Well, that thing about arms supplies. We're actually going to carry on 'as is'. But we think you ought to stop the war soon".
Israel (covering the phone mouthpiece and laughing whilst making the internationally recognised sign for 'tosser' to muffled laughs in the room): "Oh yes. Absolutely. We know you aren't messing around here. We'll get onto stopping the war right away".
US puts the phone down and sighs feeling cheap and dirty.
Israel puts the phone down and ignores it.
No doubt Israel will brand the testimony of Nizam Mamode as an antisemitic slur on the most moral army in the world, one thing for sure is he will not be allowed back into Gaza.
Matt Gaetz, the new attorney general:
In 2018, he brought a right-wing Holocaust denier to the State of the Union, and later tried to expel two fathers who lost children in a mass shooting from a hearing after they objected to a claim he made about gun control.
So not keen on Jews it's probably fair to say.
Then we have the new secretary of state, Rubio:
Rubio is against a ceasefire in Gaza, and has said he wants Israel to destroy the Palestinian group Hamas.
So he's not keen on Palestinians it's fair to say.
I mean, does Trump think two wrong'uns make a right'un here?
Who to hate the most has sometimes been a difficult conundrum for those who follow far-right hate-based ideologies.
Hating black people presents no obvious problems but when you also hate Jews and Muslims it all becomes a little bit more complex.
Although Muslims are generally easier to identify than Jews American neo-nazis have a long tradition of hating Jews dating back to the early pro-nazi sympathies of ethnic German Americans.
^^ I have to "marvel" at how trump has managed to sell different hated to different groups whilst still increasing his vote share. Pick 'n' mix hate.
It's like a shared hypnosis to allow them to only hear the incitements that apply to them and ignore the rest.
Well Sir Keir says he is clear that there is no genocide taking place, so that’s settled, then.
^^ I have to “marvel” at how trump has managed to sell different hated to different groups whilst still increasing his vote share. Pick ‘n’ mix hate.
We’ve done something similar here with Schrodinger’s Immigrant who simultaneously lives on benefits and steals your job.
Well Sir Keir says he is clear that there is no genocide taking place, so that’s settled, then.
Kier is obviously turning a blind eye to Israel/IDF shooting children in the head whilst they laugh about it/keep a score card, the Israeli lobby and money in this country obviously buys morals on the cheap
the Israeli lobby and money in this country obviously buys morals on the cheap
Please don't push the 'Israeli lobby and money buys Western governments' line. Not only does it feed the anti-semitic global Jewish conspiracy theory but it isn't true.
The reason that Western governments support the horrific and criminal Israeli apartheid regime is simply because they believe that it serves Western interests to do so, it has nothing to do with Israeli money. And the Israeli "lobby" exists purely to remind Western governments how important it allegedly is to support Israel.
Pol Pot didn't have a pot to piss in (pun intended) and yet Western governments, including the UK, still supported his genocidal and barbaric regime. Because they believed that it served Western interests to do.
Israel is the West's client/colonial state in the Middle East. It is not the other way round.
Please don’t push the ‘Israeli lobby and money buys Western governments’ line. Not only does it feed the anti-semitic global Jewish conspiracy theory but it isn’t true.
Really?, you are conflating Israeli vs Jewish which are very different. The Israeli lobby in this country is a real entity that has been reported on, you have AIPAC in the U.S. as well.
Obviously it does not control policy but it does exert a malign influence over reporting and the silencing of journalists
I believe you posted this link to an interview with Ilan Pappe a while ago
you are conflating Israeli vs Jewish which are very different.
No not at all, I haven't mentioned anything about Jews. I am simply attempting to point out that that talk of Israeli money buying governments is risky because it feeds this global zionist conspiracy theory which is much pushed by the anti-semitic far-right.
Yes much of the current Cabinet have received funds from zionist sources but that is because they are highly sympathetic to Israel anyway and zionists would rather have politicians sympathetic to Israel in positions of power. So helping them in their election campaign obviously helps Israel. It isn't because they have been "bought" by Israel.
To repeat the point, many Western politicians believe that propping up Israel serves Western economic and geopolitical interests and the plight of the Palestinians doesn't rank very highly in their priorities, zionists exploit that, they don't however dictate Western policies.
And I am fully aware of the zionist lobby, no one has mentioned hasbara more than me on this thread. But again, to repeat a point, it exists to remind and propagate the idea that propping up Israel allegedly serves Western interests. It helps to spread the narrative that Israelis are Western educated settler-colonialists who share a common culture with the West in a region which is vital to Western interests but mostly under the control of hostile indigenous peoples. But they aren't the authors of that narrative.
The West owes nothing to Israel and Israel owes everything to the West. Even if Israelis are knowingly or unwittingly pawns of Western neocolonialism.
Here’s the inspiring Francesca Albanese laying out the facts regarding Israel’s occupation and genocide
Yes much of the current Cabinet have received funds from zionist sources but that is because they are highly sympathetic to Israel anyway and zionists would rather have politicians sympathetic to Israel in positions of power. So helping them in their election campaign obviously helps Israel. It isn’t because they have been “bought” by Israel
I’m not sure there’s much of a difference between “helping” a friendly politician and “buying” one. Both subvert the democratic process and prolong the agony of colonialism.
Most republics have an AIPAC minder, according to this guy:
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Most republics have an AIPAC minder, according to this guy:
Bassem Yousef also lays out the influence here,
I’m not sure there’s much of a difference between “helping” a friendly politician and “buying” one.
There is an important difference between the two imo. Those politicians who unwaveringly support Israel to the hilt whilst it openly commits genocide do so not because they receive funding from zionist sources (which many in the current Cabinet do) but because of an ideological commitment to neo-colonialism and the last Western colony in the third world.
Even if the funding stopped they would still parrot the "Israel has the right to defend itself" line, as it commits genocide. They haven't been corrupted by financial inducements, they have been corrupted by a twisted worldview, an important distinction imo.
Those politicians who unwaveringly support Israel to the hilt whilst it openly commits genocide do so not because they receive funding from zionist sources (which many in the current Cabinet do) but because of an ideological commitment to neo-colonialism and the last Western colony in the third world.
These things are not unrelated. AIPAC and other groups poor money into pro-Israeli candidates' campains, and fund attack ads etc. against candidates they don't like (like anyone calling for a ceasefire in Gaza).
They help to embedd the ideological commitments you rightly highlight into the goverment. From their perspective, it's probably much easier to help get ideologues into power than to pay people to believe in things they don't.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/pro-israel-groups-spent-big-oust-squad-members/story?id=113675889
"An Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a legal ruling – or fatwa – denouncing the October 7 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Salman al-Dayah’s fatwa condemned Hamas’s actions for violating Islamic principles governing jihad, because they resulted in harm to Israeli and Gazan civilians."
"This fatwa is significant for at least three reasons. First, the ruling suggests divided opinion about Hamas’s actions among Gaza’s population of 2.2 million. Second, the fatwa represents the latest attempt by prominent Islamic scholars to develop a form of counter-terrorism rooted in religious teaching. And third, the condemnation of the October 7 attacks opens up debates on whether criticism of Hamas – proscribed by the US and UK governments as a terrorist organisation – risks undermining efforts to secure justice and prosperity for all Palestinians."
Read the above article about a documentary film built around leaked tapes of Bibi where it’s clear that the Gaza war is continuing because it’s his way of avoiding being taken to court over corruption allegations. Also, it’s the support from the ultra-Right encouraging the ethnic cleansing of Palestine so the land can be stolen by settlers, which has been going on for years, which then encouraged Hamas to fight back, this giving Bibi all the excuses he needs to continue his genocide against the Palestinian people.
There’s a clear connection between Bibi and Trump in their claims of “hey, I’m the victim here!”.
There’s a clear connection between Bibi and Trump in their claims of “hey, I’m the victim here!”.
I believe that is an inherent characteristic of narcissists/psychopaths, they invariably see themselves as victims.
"The US has vetoed a UN security council push to call for a ceasefire in Gaza that Washington said would have emboldened Hamas."
So there you have it, after a year of relentless slaughter the United States admits that Hamas are nowhere near to being defeated, otherwise they wouldn't worry about Hamas being "emboldened".
All those billions of dollars worth of the most advanced weaponry on earth, against a barely armed opponent, has resulted in the total destruction of Gaza but not Hamas.
So they are going to carry on with more of the same... killing tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children. And Joe Biden will of course continue to complain that Israel must do more to protect civilians, as he guarantees that the IDF are armed to the teeth to carry out their genocide.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/20/un-gaza-vote-veto
"Once again, the US used its veto to ensure impunity for Israel as its forces continue to commit crimes against Palestinians in Gaza,” Human Rights Watch said.
The territory needs to be split up , simple as that.
With all the killing I think the jews and muslims need to step back, A lot.
It's just going to go on forever unless the stupid reigious people can sit down and talk about it in a pragmatic way rather than getting all het up about sky gods.
Isreal certainly needs to give land back to palestine, and quite a bit.
I think you mean Israelis, not Jews. Plenty of Jews have nothing to do with the genocide being carried out.
Edit : I see that you have edited your post to include Muslims now, this isn't Jews v Muslims. This is Israelis/zionists v Palestinians. This is not a religious war - Netanyahu is not motivated by religion and IDF snipers are not making any distinction between Muslim and Christian Palestinians.
I think you mean Israelis, not Jews. Plenty of Jews have nothing to do with the genocide being carried out.
Sorry, my bad.
I'm just so frustrated as there doesn't seem to be any end game, it's just all fighting. On and on it goes, and for what?
Yeah I know what you mean. Although I am probably more aware than the average person of the huge Jewish involvement in support of Palestinians so I tend to be more sensitive to generalisations.
And that awareness has IME certainly filtered down to the Muslim community locally, there is now enormous recognition that so many Jews are on the side of Palestinians, something which a lot of people have only really realised in the last year.
Religion is the problem...and I say that to Hindus, and Christians too.
If you base your psycology on something that is objectivley stupid, you're always going to get a stupid outcome.
No religion is used as an excuse.
Then remove the excuse.
That's a really mealy mouthed cop-out.
Personaly I belive in freedom of religion, if stupid people want something to belive in, fine, but if it affects other people then it's very wrong.
We could make the same argument about russia trying to taking over Ukraine... it's the same thing but in reverse ideology.
We don't as a 'species' need to make war, we already posess the intelect and tehcnology to fix all of our problems right flipping now.
I’m just so frustrated as there doesn’t seem to be any end game, it’s just all fighting. On and on it goes, and for what?
How can there be end game when the West supports the oppressor?
Religion is the problem…and I say that to Hindus, and Christians too.
I have never heard of any religion (teachings) initiating wars, but I have heard of people using religion to start wars.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/27/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-begins-biden-lebanon-iran
Lebanon ceasefire, nothing much on progress for Gaza.
The deal will not have any direct effect on the fighting in Gaza, where US efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas have not led to a deal. The negotiations over Tuesday’s ceasefire were reportedly facilitated by a decision to decouple them from the Gaza talks, where the conflict remains intractable.
On and on it goes, and for what?
So the Israelis have more land. What did you think?
Despite international arrest warrants being issued for Benjamin Netanyahu and his defence minister for war crimes and crimes against humanity it would appear that there is no let up with Israel killing aid workers.
Still, I guess there is no reason why Israel should suddenly stop committing war crimes, they know that the United States government will protect them whatever they do.
I've been watching Dark Winds, a TV series about a Navajo policeman, and hence about life on a reservation. One of the themes is the policy (?) of sterilising Native American women for various reasons, with the inevitable impact on population. In fact it's exactly what you'd do if you wanted to quietly bring about a genocide. So it should be no surprise that UNRWA report that 70% of casualties in Gaza are women and children - exactly the people you'd target if you were intent on wiping out a group of people. So no surprises there, and no surprise that the US does nothing to stop it.
Blimey even Ynet, the staunch supporter of the zionist regime, is reporting allegations of Israeli ceasefire violations.
France warns alleged Israeli violations risk collapse of Lebanon cease-fire
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rk6deikmyx
Paris reports 52 alleged IDF violations of cease-fire agreement, accusing Israel of bypassing international committee tasked with overseeing compliance.
Regime accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity not complying with ceasefire commitments......who would have thought it?
How long before Netanyahu accuses the French government of anti-Semitism?
This is possibly the most damming appraisal of the Israeli genocidal assault on Gaza I have heard/watched.
Susan Abulhawa speaks in proposition of the motion that “This House Believes Israel is an Apartheid State Responsible for Genocide”
This is # 7 of 8, There are 4 debates for the motion and 4 debates against the motion, further debates can be watched if you check out the Oxford Union YouTube