[Closed] Gay Marriage

quartz - Member

So, if they are prejudiced against homosexuals, they aren't homophobic?

You are assuming that anyone who is opposed to the legalisation of same-sex marriage is "homophobic". And yet it is an established fact that there is some opposition to the legalisation of same-sex marriage from within the gay community.

As clearly these people are unlikely to be "homophobic", can you not accept that there might be reasons other than homophobia for someone's opposition to the legalisation of same-sex marriage ?

"it is an established fact that there is some opposition to the legalisation of same-sex marriage from within the gay community."
Is it ?

As an aside to Ernesto's comment, here's a website that keeps a log of homophobic homosexuals: [url= http://gayhomophobe.com/ ]gayhomophobe.com[/url]. Usually deeply closeted religious types.

Of my gay friends the vast majority want marriage equality, a few really don't give a toss and the remainder hate religion with such vehemence that they don't want their happiness to be in any way even remotely indirectly affected by god squadders.

EDIT:

I do recall 10 o'clock Live last year when there was someone gay arguing with Boy George that he hated being gay, but he was a very religious catholic. Bit sad really. Life is great if you accept yourself!

Is it ?

Yes, but I'm guessing you probably haven't heard.

No in fairness I have not heard any group in the gay community speaking out against equality of marriage rights .

I didn't mention anything about "groups", I said "there is some opposition to the legalisation of same-sex marriage from within the gay community."

There you go, fill your pockets : [url= http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=12&gs_id=rk&xhr=t&q=gays+opposed+to+gay+marriage&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=gays+opposed&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.bGE&fp=ba64e33975863f3&biw=1024&bih=607 ]click[/url]

Well, that didn't take long did it?

Despite the assurances that the new law would would not attempt to force the church to perform gay marriages:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/gay-dads-sue-church-of-england

Good.

Despite the assurances that the new law would would not attempt to force the church to perform gay marriages

It doesn't, however they may be able to (or at least attempt to) demonstrate that the church "opt out" of equality laws infringes many obvious rights. And unfortunately they will lose.

However I look forward to a time when religious organisations have the power to perform legal functions in society removed.

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oh ninfan

your god is dead and no one cares

your god is dead and no one [s]cares[/s] [b]noticed[/b]

FIFY

Has anyone bothered to ask the old bloke who lives in Rome for his opinion, and no matter what his opinion, all his brainwshed followers will obey.

Yeah, just like they've obeyed various Popes' instructions to not have sex before marriage, remain faithful in marriage, love their neighbour...

its a reference to a nin song:

He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity

Your God is dead and no one cares
If there is a Hell I will see you there

He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
Demands devotion atrocities done in his name

Your God is dead and no one cares
Drowning in his own hypocrisy
If there is a Hell I will see you there
Burning with your god in humility
Will you die for this?

http://www.ninwiki.com/heresy

It's interesting how some people don't want religious organisations to interfere in their affairs in any way. But are nevertheless very determined that they should be allowed to interfere in the affairs of religious organisations.

The absurdity of it all appears lost on them.

Jeez, is this thread still rumbling on?

Seems to me there's precious little love in the world, so it should be celebrated wherever it's found.

ernie_lynch - Member

It's interesting how some people don't want religious organisations to interfere in their affairs in any way. But are nevertheless very determined that they should be allowed to interfere in the affairs of religious organisations.

The absurdity of it all appears lost on them.

The most coherent and fair minded statement I have ever seen on this forum.

Goodnight and happy riding !

No it's not it's a ridiculous statement and quite the opposite of reality.

One of the most basic tenets of law is "one law for everyone" no special opt out because of position in society, religion or wealth. It is not interfering with religion to remove it's special legal status, the believers can carry on believing whatever they like, they just can't enforce it in any legal way.

Has anyone bothered to ask the old bloke who lives in Rome for his opinion, and no matter what his opinion, all his brainwshed followers will obey.

Yeah, just like they've obeyed various Popes' instructions to not have sex before marriage, remain faithful in marriage, love their neighbour...

lots of them will obey his instructions because like i said theyre brainwashed at an early age and told what to believe and what to obey, if they choose not to obey and not to follow his instructions, absolutely nothing is going to happen to them,but because they have been programed they think the world is going to open and destroy their minds.

Al that needs to be done is change the term Civil Patrtnmership to marrige and youre done, and absolutely nothing to do with one small part of one church.

it's a ridiculous statement

indeed you have folk who are not gay telling gay people what they can do or people who are not religious telling religious folk what they have to do [ I would imagine at least some of them are religious ]
Basically as said we are either all equal in law or we give religion a special place where they can be exempt from equality laws to the extent they can discriminate whilst oddly taking equality cases to court because they are being discriminated against at work for their symbols etc.

The absurdity of it all appears lost on them.

The argument works both ways

Either way you stop some folk doing what they want to be it gay folk or the religious.
IMHO no one should be able to discriminate against people because they have a special book that allows them ,the absurdity lost on them again], whilst call us intolerant for not letting them