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I’m curious as to why you felt the need to bring it up. Devil’s advocate?
I've no idea now you come to mention it. Seems so long ago...
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As far as I’m aware, you were the first to mention it on this thread.
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Maybe so. I'm pretty sure I wasn't arguing against it though, and nobody else here has from memory. And I'm genuinely not aware of who publicly argues against economic migration. That's why I asked mr incontinent to elucidate, as I'd be interested to hear the argument.
And I’m genuinely not aware of who publicly argues against economic migration.
tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time
You certainly soiled yourself with that wall ‘o” guff up there 🤣
All my family, apart from my parents were migrants.
My grandparents and great grandparents were welcomed into this country.
Some to fight with honour for their adopted homeland, some to work in the Lancashire cotton mills and Sheffield steel mills, some to escape persecution and civil war.
You need to think before you post.
tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time
No the Tories don't argue publicly against economic migration.
Have I been missing out on one of life’s little pleasures?
🙂
tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time
Ah, the penny drops. You're talking about illegal economic migration. Such as travelling by boat without a work visa and passing yourself off as a genuine refugee in need of asylum.
And back to square one we go...
All my family, apart from my parents were migrants.
My grandparents and great grandparents were welcomed into this country.
Some to fight with honour for their adopted homeland, some to work in the Lancashire cotton mills and Sheffield steel mills, some to escape persecution and civil war.You need to think before you post.
Making a list of your family's history and achievements doesn't give credence to nor explain your subsequent lack of clarification regarding explaining who is against economic migration. So respectfully, I think you need to think before you post.
Frankie Boyle can f off.
Part of the problem with one side or other claiming that the BBC is biased is that they're both right.
For the last 20 years the BBC's idea of fair and balanced has been to give all the news journalism roles to right wingers and all the comedy slots to left wingers.
When the average Daily Mail reader reads that the BBC is biased their minds immediately turn to Mock the Week, HIGNFY, Nish Kumar and Frankie Fing Boyle and they say "look how biased against the conservatives the BBC is".
It's not just Fox News who manage to blur the line between news and opinion...
and all the comedy slots to left wingers.
Because it is extremely hard to find someone who is right-wing and also funny.
Making a list of your family’s history and achievements doesn’t give credence to nor explain your subsequent lack of clarification regarding explaining who is against economic migration. So respectfully, I think you need to think before you post.
Why don't you explain who you believe is or isn't against economic migration?
You brought this up in the first place, you developed amnesia when I asked you about it, and then you brought it up again.
"Because it is extremely hard to find someone who is right-wing and also funny."
Tell yourself that if you like, I suggest you go and watch some Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, Bill Burr or Bill Maher videos to see how you can be funny without wearing your political credentials on your wings.
So you think it isn't a problem that all the news presenters are right wing and all the comedians lefties? You can't see that the conflation of news and views can lead to misinformation and confusion?
As the Stoic Epictetus said ‘If you wish to be good, first believe that you are bad’, and ‘If anyone tells you that a certain person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer “He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone”’.
All the above American comedians follow that maxim. The UK equivalent are a bunch of virtue signalling tossers.
Or, as Geoff Norcott put it, "if you're clapping instead of laughing then it isn't comedy"
Shall we just start building machine gun nests across the coast now to provide a final solution?
That was being saved for the election manifesto!
Dealing with increased population from immigration is just the same as dealing with increased population from natural expansion of existing families - you need to have more housing, more doctors, more hospitals, more elderly care - in fact more of just about everything.
If stuff starts to go wrong that is because of lack of management, crap policies etc,. by the various governments over the years. UK has gone from 50MM in 1960 to current 67MM and only half of that is net migration and 17MM is lot of people who need houses and all the other stuff. And as it is projected to continue to increase until 2050 then the governments not only need to catch up a lot they need to continue increasing everything.
Tell yourself that if you like, I suggest you go and watch some Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, Bill Burr or Bill Maher videos to see how you can be funny without wearing your political credentials on your wings.
The Famously political comedian Bill Maher and the ill informed culture war ranter Bill Burr? Well done for selecting examples that demonstrate the opposite of your argument..
Ah, the penny drops. You’re talking about illegal economic migration.
Nope - I am talking about all economic miigrants
I think you will find i started it.
Sandwich called me out saying 100% of boat people were legally looking for asylum.
It was then questioned to be not true, as 42% of intercepted boat people were Albanians, who are most likely to be economic migrants
No one said we can't have immigration
No one said we cant or shouldn't have economic migration
The question was, Are all boat people seeking asylum for political or personal reasons, when the answer is clearly No, some of those who come here on a rubber boat are looking to earn money by whatever meams, for whatever reason, legit or otherwise.
HTH
The UK equivalent are a bunch of virtue signalling tossers.
Bingo!
It was then questioned to be not true, as 42% of intercepted boat people were Albanians, who are most likely to be economic migrants
false Its half that and that was a particular snapshot anyway
No one said we can’t have immigration
False - tories and brexiteers argue mainly against all immigration
No one said we cant or shouldn’t have economic migration
False torres and brexiteers are against economic migration
As the Stoic Epictetus said ‘If you wish to be good, first believe that you are bad’, and ‘If anyone tells you that a certain person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer “He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone”’.
All the above American comedians follow that maxim. The UK equivalent are a bunch of virtue signalling tossers.
I don't know who the **** Stoic Epictetus is but I can't say that I'm impressed with his material based on that quote. I am guessing that he didn't go for snappy one liners?
And I can't comment on all the other American comedians but I will agree that the UK's most famous living right-wing comedian, Jim Davidson, is not a virtue signalling tosser, for sure.
He is in fact a well-known wife-beating homophobic racist who likes to joke about people with disabilities, tosser.
There is no doubt that Jim Davidson's career has nosedived in recent decades but I am not sure that the BBC, which gave him some big breaks early in his career, are to blame for that.
I suspect that it has more to do with the good taste of today's British multicultural audiences.
I am not sure that the BBC, which gave him some big breaks early in his career, are to blame for that.
Well played!
Or, as Geoff Norcott put it, “if you’re clapping instead of laughing then it isn’t comedy”
a) that's bollox, plenty of comedy is worthy of applause, whether it's political or not
b) and ironically Geoff norcott is a comedian who also tries to score political points, and also isn't that funny or insightful imho
Some more proof this morning that boat-based refugees are parasites who contribute nothing to society.
https://mobile.twitter.com/VBPStories/status/1635030520710193155
Jim Davidson’s career has nosedived in recent decades but I am not sure that the BBC, which gave him some big breaks early in his career, are to blame for that.
Chapeau sir!
When the average Daily Mail reader reads that the BBC is biased their minds immediately turn to Mock the Week, HIGNFY, Nish Kumar and Frankie F***ing Boyle and they say “look how biased against the conservatives the BBC is”
Then they're thinned skinned snowflakes then, aren't they? Unless this is another strawman to deflect from the fact that right-wing comedy isn't really funny to a lot of people. Have a watch of this from Jim Davidson on the Lineker story if you want a view from the 'other side' (to over-simplify things greatly):
b) and ironically Geoff norcott is a comedian who also tries to score political points, and also isn’t that funny or insightful imho
Who, not coincidentally, gets a lot of work from the BBC.
Gary Lineker is to return to presenting sport on the BBC after he was taken off air over his tweets criticising the government's migration policy, Sky Sports News understands.
It is understood the corporation will apologise to the Match Of The Day presenter.
Pity the snowflakes who'll get their knickers all bunched up over this.....
which gave him some big breaks early in his career
I can't shake off the earworm this gave me. Damn you. [ goes off whistling ]
Hope Lineker does return. Was thinking this morning... what happens if a BBC presenter tweets in favour of a government policy, with a comparison that's too glowing? The problem isn't political statements made away from BBC broadcasts and content... the problem is criticising government policy and rhetoric... it's not about trying to appear impartial, it's about not calling out the government... and people see that, whether they agreed with Lineker's tweet or not.
Siri, show me what 'complete capitulation' looks like...
https://mobile.twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1635215786099744769
^^ 👍
Gotta be honest, I'm somewhat astonished that a) he hasn't already been headhunted by somewhere like Sky and b) he hasn't told the BBC to get knotted.
Gotta be honest, I’m somewhat astonished that a) he hasn’t already been headhunted by somewhere like Sky and b) he hasn’t told the BBC to get knotted.
There were rumours that ITV had throw silly money at him, but I'm not sure what he'd present on that channel, plus, this was never about money.
I suspect he knows he has a big platform on the BBC and that, irrelevant of money, it's the biggest gig going.
I also suspect he quite enjoys the backlash that comes with him being on the BBC and having certain views.
So a climb-down after a tweet from a personal account, highlighting a Govt policy that will (most likely) turn out to be illegal and unenforceable, results in suspension that then turns into days & days of coverage about the over-riding issues faced by people trying to reach the UK, the approach taken by the Govt, accusations of Tory bias at the BBC - including breakdowns of who's lent/donated what, with the end result that the person in question is reinstated and an apology issued.
Henceforth known as the 'Lineker Effect'.
Glad they've backed down as this was a ludicrous situation, but in my view this isn't over whilst Sharp is still chairman of the Beeb.
^^ lol at that tweet from cougar.
Why can right wingers never seem to spell correctly?
I mean, I suspect why, but I'm not going to post it.😁
Fat,white, bald & illiterate
Oi! I'm a leftie and I resemble that remark, well not the itilertrae bit.....
Glad they’ve backed down as this was a ludicrous situation, but in my view this isn’t over whilst Sharp is still chairman of the Beeb.
I don't understand how Sharp can survive as BBC Chairman if he had any input into the decision to suspend Lineker. Likewise Tim Davie. It's an epic lack of judgement from whoever took the BBC in this humiliating direction.
Hmmm, BBC website says that GL has agreed to abide by guidance while independent review takes place.
Our Media Correspondent David Sillito has been speaking to BBC Director General Tim Davie. We'll have more from that interview in a moment but here's a breaking line.
Davie says: “Gary has agreed to abide by the guidance whilst the independent review takes place."
We're yet to have Lineker himself confirm this but he's tweeting a thread out right now.
By who, and when?
Well, lets see how "independent" the review really is, independent reviews are often just a way of getting the result wanted by those commissioning the review.
And lets be honest, what is needed now is not a review into the BBC's social media policy, but into its political independence.
Too many posts to quote so I'll resort to bullet points.
1) Lineker was a superb striker whose career left me with some golden - where were you when ? - memories. He's also (imho) a superb broadcaster and I'm really glad that he's back.
2) Economic v Asylum migrants. Can't say that I make a distinction between someone who is fleeing death from war and persecution and someone who is fleeing death from lack of sanitation, lack of food or is just simply seeking the opportunity to live with dignity in a world of plenty.
3) Right wing comedians. I've seen Northcott on QT trying to be funny with lines about "NHS - the religion", it just doesn't really work. I think satire only works if you're perched on the moral high ground. Hard to claim that if your outlook is that healthcare depends upon your ability to pay. They're also huge virtue signallers in their own way, just look at Davidson and his poppy fetishism and armed forces charity stuff.
Fat,white, bald & illiterate
Coincidentally, that was my recent Starbuck's order.