Staying where they belong
For the next couple of years at least
Get in!
Australia could not have done much more really apart from declaring a bit earlier y'day with hindsight. England always behind, but with the forecast known well in advance, only batted 5 overs less than Australia in the first innings, thus taking plenty of time out of the game.
Staying where they belong for what, a few months possibly until the rematch. Just wondering if KP's body will make it that far or retire earlier 😕
Well done England - third time in a row innit?
Well, he's an exceptional socks ambassador...
Not quite as good as the Qantas air safety video - can't embed on my phone for some reason:
what's that Skippy?
the sound of the biggest whinge in ashes history.
suck it up bogans.
Yes, yes, but, but..... the DRS, and the umpires, and the rain, and Broad not walking (even though none of us do), and the time-wasting, and they're all South African anyway, and we don't even like test cricket any more, WAHHHHHHHH!
Not quite as good as the Qantas air safety video - can't embed on my phone for some reason:
Oh mother of god no! That was almost enough to make me change to Virgin for frequent flyer business travel. That said, it became more amusing the worse the season went for them!
And after yesterday's outburst on the news about it being everyone else's fault (especially Stewart Broad), it would seem, given the 10 seconds of coverage that it was given, that the locals never really liked cricket any way. 🙄
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The latest from Australia: "This Ashes series doesn't matter, it's the one in Australia that does"
Oh. Dear.
[quote=zokes ]The latest from Australia: "This Ashes series doesn't matter, it's the one in Australia that does"
Oh. Dear.
It's been so bad they called an election just to avoid talking about it.
Some great bogan comments on the Sidney morning herald cricket pages
Australia lost the series because of the mangled DRS system, umpires, rain and Root. Root caused Warner to be sent into exile. Then the umpires and the DRS consistently worked against the fair and ever sportive Aussies. And then came the weather..
We Aussies don't need to prove anything to anyone. We are the best in the world. The only reason we lose games is because of horrible umpiring decisions, unsporting opposition players, hostile crowds and imperfect technology. No other country has given as much to cricket in terms of character and skills as we have.
The Poms deseved a shallow Ashes victory in the rain. Aleem Da's decision for Broad saving the 1st test for them, DRS rubbish, blatant time wasting, ridiculous over use of their sub fielders and the fielding team asking for light yesterday?
Soft victory for a soft team. .
I think the Aussie team should start copying the English tactics:
-pressure umpires
-don't walk when obviously out
-ball tampering
-dodgy pitches
-slow play
-stalling tactics
-appealing for catches when they knew the ball had not been hit
-playing South Africans as English
Obviously England will do anything to win, and fallen into the Indian trap of preparing dodgy wickets. I hope Cricket Australia never stoop so low as to fix the wickets, and then during the match give the wicket some extra life if Eng lose the toss.
I think England lost a lot of respect by their disgraceful stalling tactics on day 4, which unfortunately were rewarded, by umpires (after being hassled) to call bad light when the Aussies were batting.
Aussies cricket fans can't wait until the cheating poms come down to OZ....
And countless more posts of drivel from the whinging Matilda's
It's all about blaming others instead of a bit of self assessment as to why you fail.
As a non cricketing person it looks like the Aussies beat us in the last match even if they didn't win.
They might do the same in the next 2 matches ,surely the jumping up and down should wait til then.
I appreciate the rules are the same for everyone, it just seems a bit odd.
I'm very amused by the 'soft victory for a soft team' comment in the Aussie newspaper. Wasn't this the Aussie team that had a full-on tour barney over grown men not submitting their homework?
Doesn't get much softer than that. They can't go back to the Boonie beer drinking record era, but they need to rediscover some grit. Steve Waugh and Mark Taylor weren't often pictured propping up a bar, but they had some bottle and some attitude.
In the longer term, they need to unearth some players that are a shoe in on the team sheet for every game. Only really Clarke, Siddle and Haddin are that at the moment, and Haddin is past it and showing his age with the gloves.
Root caused Warner to be sent into exile.
Indeed, by callously, and with malice aforethought, leaping on to Warner's fist.
🙄 And they say the British are the whingers? 😆
surely the jumping up and down should wait til then.
Not really. They can win the next two matches, and it won't change a thing. They needed to win the series to regain the Ashes, we only needed draw it, and in doing so, we've retained the Ashes at the earliest opportunity. We could simply not turn up to both of the next matches and forfeit the games, and it still wouldn't change that fact.
Root caused Warner to be sent into exile.
It's not so much who caused it for me, it's the fact that they sent him off to SA at all.
Why didn't they just do what any sensible person would do in that situation?
Just sit him down and say "On the record, you did a very silly thing there. We are going to fine you, and if you do anything like it again, you'll be sent home - we can't avoid it. Off the record, you have brought shame on us - he hasn't even got a black eye."
To the press (through gritted teeth) - "it's been dealt with inside the camp".
Looking at Warner objectively, I think he will still be found out in test cricket, but he's one of their 2 or 3 best batsmen (even if he is a limited overs player in essence), and they should pick him.
At least he tried to thump one of the oppo rather than sending texts to them undermining his own captain............
Just sit him down and say "On the record, you did a very silly thing there. We are going to fine you, and if you do anything like it again, you'll be sent home - we can't avoid it. Off the record, you have brought shame on us - he hasn't even got a black eye."
Because he's already had plenty warnings for being a tit on Twitter etc. Until they realised the parlous state of their top order, most Australian press wanted him sent home in disgrace also.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23600037 ]Monty, put it away.[/url]
This could be interesting. Wonder what the ECB response will be to this revelation
So now KP has allegedly cheated by putting silicon on his bat to avoid hotspots????
Got to be another bogan whinge tactic, if you team is not playing well accuse the opposition of cheating.
I think the Aussie team should start copying the English tactics:
The tactic they should copy is "winning".
Aussies: you lost, deal with it.
I suspect Monty is an STW regular - he's already weed in some guy's shoes... so how long before he pwns Michael Clarke with bombers?
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Just shows how most sports fans are not objective whether cricket or footie
Australia were probably beaten by the weather this test and they have done better than I would have expected so far so well done to them.
The DRS has been truly woeful for both teams IMHO and they need to look at it as it has made some howlers rather than remove some.
Perhaps let the Umpire call DRS rather than players ???
The accusations of cheating etc are not even worthy of a response
I see Shane Warne thinks the England players are "smug". Now, where's my ironing board.
Perhaps let the Umpire call DRS rather than players ???
Oh god no, it'll end up like rugby where the on field officials are incapable of even scratching their arse without asking for the TV official's view
I see Shane Warne thinks the England players are "smug".
Good. They have a right to be!
Oh god no, it'll end up like rugby where the on field officials are incapable of even scratching their arse without asking for the TV official's view
Yup, that's a risk for sure.
My take is DRS is pretty useless for a) determining if a catch is clean and b) thin edges, as they don't always show up. I'd can the system for those purposes.
I think the problem was we watched it and it was clearly making bad decisions.
it is there to remove doubt when in fact it added doubt as out folk were left in , not out were given out etc
When there are no reviews left we still got howlers be it Broad not walking or Bresnan not appealing
Whatever its aims it is not making decisions better IMHO so either use it properly or just accept the Umps decisions will even out over a series?
Still struggling with why 49.9 % of a ball hitting the stumps is umps call tbh
I guess we have to have some point but its not like the bails would have stayed on
they only use it (DRS) because TV had it and were showing up the umpires. If they stop using DRS they have to get Sky to drop all of it too, stump mic, overlays the lot.
😯 Monty!!!??
😀 good work that man
There's a simple solution for DRS. take the 2 referrals per team per innings away and make it a tool to be used exclusively by the umpires with no limit on the number of times it can be used. Time taken to be added on at the end of each session or day.
Snicko, hotspot and stump mikes to be available to the third umpire who will be the sole adjudicator with the benefit of doubt being given to the batsman.
Still struggling with why 49.9 % of a ball hitting the stumps is umps call tbh
Although Hawkeye has improved much in the past few years, the reason why the ICC err on the side of caution with LBWs is that the system has to predict where the ball would have gone, which has much more error than recording where it did go (like for where it pitched, or as used in tennis).
That said, whilst 50% of the moving ball is fair enough, why it has to be the middle, rather than the edge of the stumps is a mystery to me. They're not moving anywhere!
There's a simple solution for DRS. take the 2 referrals per team per innings away and make it a tool to be used exclusively by the umpires with no limit on the number of times it can be used. Time taken to be added on at the end of each session or day.
No, no, no!
Umpires prevaricate enough as it is without giving them a license to refer every last thing to the third umpire. The state it's got to in rugby is a good case in point.
DRS is fine as it is. The way teams use it needs to change as they are just taking a punt rather than actually believing that the decision was incorrect. The only change I'd like to see is what was suggested by Jimmy Anderson, in that decisions that are "umpires call" should not mean that the team loses a review as it's not conclusive.
DRS is fine as it is.
If it can't show a faint nick then it's not doing what it's supposed to do. Better to accept its limitations and get rid of hotspot. I think it remains useful for lbw (e.g. showing if it pitched outside leg stump), run-outs and obvious nicks. It's completely useless for determining clean catches.
Umpire's call remains a problem - two identical deliveries have different outcomes depending on whether the on-field umpire gave it out or not. As you say, at least if a team doesn't lose a review that would be some compensation.
DRS is fine as it is
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even on appeal there have been decisions that everyone seemed to accept were wrong so whatever you think of it working fine cannot be amongst them.
zokes i agree it is prone to more error [ ie predicting] and a margin of doubt is needed but 49.9% hitting is surely good enough to be certain. what is the margin of error ? how about more than that hitting then we know it did hit?
[Like politics} if the technology is becoming the story rather than the cricket, then something is wrong. On this basis, surely the conclusion is pretty clear and damning.
Frankly, I would like to go back to no tech in cricket and the "umpires decision is final." Dickie Bird and others did a brilliant job without technology - are the current guys any better with it? But this wont happen because pandora's box has been opened. So it is imperative that technology is used correctly and to benefit the game.
My first thought was like yossa's ie, let the umpires use it at [u]their[/u] discretion but the "limited-use" of the current system also has merit in the way that it works in tennis. But if technology really is prone to error, then I would prefer human error any day. It seems somehow more forgivable!!
Whatever happens, it has cast a shadow rather than light on the current series IMO and that is a pity.
The umpires still do a brilliant job. I posted a few pages back on the stats from the first test, they got 90+? right without technology, and then half the rest were improved by tech from memory. The trouble is that errors have been high profile, and also the technology has misfired slightly at times.
I agree that a review that is rejected based on staying with umpires call shouldn't be lost. It was a good call to review, shouldn't be penalised for that as well as having the decision still against you. One other change I'd like; where the ball pitches is a matter of fact, not opinion, as is the line of the stumps. That should go with result, not this 50% rule.
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My dear old things, good morning! Cake, anyone?
Oooh, look! A pigeon. On a bus!
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England win the toss and bat first.
Looks like they're giving us the Bird...
18 in 10 overs... fair enough, but my one-day head can't help wishing we had someone like Chris Gayle to start things off.
Hmmm, that's a pity
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Remember the days when batsmen had the dignity to walk when they edged it?
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No idea why the on field ump didn't give that
Very quiet, this thread. 😯
Due to today's cricket being so dull or the fact that the series is already over?
Time for a "KP you doughnut" comment 🙁
And now Cook. Bugger.
