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Maybe dragon fire is different from normal fire?
A given surely.
Targaryen steel and dragon glass all rare because they were made with dragon fire .. and now 3 dragons pop into the world just as it's threatened by creatures who can only be killed with dragony things.. coincidence?
But the way this pans out, equally likely the dragons will get stuffed in a (big) sack and drowned in the river.
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more bored fun, need this damm cast off
from what I gather they have now separated from them and could be making it up as they go along.......
good job too by all accounts
too early for the episode 9 debrief??
Thought that one was going to turn to filler/setup until the end, that escalated quickly 😮
Sort of feel the need for a who do you think would be the least worst on the iron throne text vote
1/ it's building to a massive climax; 2/ they don't go the same way as other epic series and just keep stringing
Hmm gave up on the books - at end of book 3 (which is book 4 really) as I couldn't face another 500 pages of dull plotlines with characters I don't care about waiting for the 100 pages of interest.
Seems series 5 is going the same way as the book. The TV series up until series 4 had been ticking along quite nicely, especially compared to the books.
Still, as far as grimdark fantasy goes give me Robin Hobb, Joe Abercrombie, Scott Lynch or Mark Lawrence before George RR Martin any day.
A couple of disturbing moments and a welcome return in that episode .
C**T Not nice !
So as I was watching last night my internal monologue went something like this:
"They're not really going to do that are they?"
"I mean really a child, someone will save her."
"Who am I kidding its Game of Thrones"
"Oh! look a dragon!"
How badly must you want to be King / knob Melisandre, to do that?
How badly must you want to be King / knob Melisandre, to do that?
Well they had to top the rape scene somehow.....
yeah that scene was a new low for the show. fair enough kill her off for the storyline but an onscreen terrified, screaming, burning CHILD was a bit too gratuitous even for GoT! never really got over it, even when the episode got properly ace in the fighting pits of Meereen; i just kept thinking 'Stannis just barbecued his daughter'... id sooner Cersi prevail over him now!
But apparently all in a good cause as the snow melts next episode and they ride for winterfell.
Wonder how the Onion Knight is going to take having his favourite 'niece' turned into a kebab.
Awesome episode. I did not appreciate the screams of a dying child as she was bbq'd though. Stannis really has gone past the point of no return now, I'm quite looking forward to seeing the Baratheons and Boltons wipe each other out in the battle of Winterfell.
Was it just me that found it too implausible that a whole army would watch an innocent child burn and do nothing, not even a peep?
whole army would watch an innocent child burn and do nothing, not even a peep?
Hmm I thought that, but then the ones that are left are all effectively religious fanatics for the lord of light,
I can respect the way that they have dealt with some of the tough stuff, it's not pulling punches and it really defining some of the characters and to what lengths they will go to. The scenes were done in a non sensationalist way. Considering what has gone before it's going to be interesting going forward 🙂
yeah that scene was a new low for the show. fair enough kill her off for the storyline but an onscreen terrified, screaming, burning CHILD was a bit too gratuitous even for GoT!
I mostly decided it wasn't a show for me after Jaime threw Bran out a window in the first episode!
So yeah...
The trouble is that scene didn't even shock me anymore, disturb and unsettle me yes but not shock.
When they marched Ned Stark out for his execution I was sure it wouldn't happen, that shocked me
Within the world of GoT burning children alive isn't all that surprising
The Game of Thrones coverage on Grantland.com is worth a read.
After last weeks episode, they had a lot to live up to and child burning aside I think they just about managed to meet expectations.
Dragon riding, Tyrion quips, Bronn and a decent beheading. 7/10.
The dragon ending was a massive cheesefest deus-ex-machina. Poor show.
Next weeks looks promising though.
Was it just me that found it too implausible that a whole army would watch an innocent child burn and do nothing, not even a peep?
Really? Given the medieval world setting... I found it fairly unsurprising.
Children are still killed for use in preparation of muti medicine.
The dragon ending was a massive cheesefest deus-ex-machina. Poor show.
Unfortunately, I felt this was always going to happen at some point. I won't let it spoil my enjoyment of the series but I do agree it was a bit cheesy.
Did the girl get burnt in the book? I really can't remember 😕 You knew something mad was going to happen when the women stated there'd be "distressing scenes"!
Had my doubts about George for some time and this clearly confirmed he's never been a parent of a daughter, I can't imagine any father would condemn his little girl to death by fire in any circumstance.
But it continues to shock and why the series has been so successful and did you see the way she rode that dragon?
Sparks will have to fly next week.
I can't imagine any father would condemn his little girl to death by fire in any circumstance.
I can't imagine it either, but (without wanting to be too much of a downer) these horrific things still happen in real life in the present day, never mind in fantasy Medieval Land Fun-Time World.
Who are the guys in the gold masks and when did the Unsullied become so rubbish and where are they all? she bought loads of them.
Still love it though, bring back the Hound.
I don't think Stannis's actions shocked me as much as Carol in the Walking Dead dealing with Lizzie, that really threw me.
yep, father vs daughter is all too common around the world, fathers are not universally brilliant or infallible.
Let's be honest, she was a bit scaly, no one wants an ugly daughter do they. I often contemplate topping my ginger one...
gold mask dudes are the son's Sons of Harpy. kindda like the ISIS of Mereen. terrorists who oppose Danny, angry with her for abolishing slavery and such.
The Unsullied army were not present. it was supposed to be a nice cup final type gladitorial event, she just had a handful there as security... no idea why they were so shit all of a sudden tho...
Who are the guys in the gold masks and when did the Unsullied become so rubbish and where are they all? she bought loads of them.
Just an insurgency/resistance movement opposed to her rule I think. The unsullied haven't impressed so far.
I liked the dragon bit, it was cheesy but she is the mother of dragons so it can't be unexpected that one drops by to lend a hand every now and again. She'll be needing them if she wants kings landing.
tyrionl1 - MemberI can't imagine any father would condemn his little girl to death by fire in any circumstance.
Present day world is full of armies kidnapping, raping and murdering children on a daily basis. Lots of fathers condemn their daughters to horrible deaths for all sorts of "crimes" like "getting raped". You probably don't have to travel too far form your own home to find a parent. politician, 1970's TV personality or clergyman that's carried out a horrific crime against a child.
It's sadly not as unbelievable as you'd like to think
Had my doubts about George for some time and this clearly confirmed he's never been a parent of a daughter, I can't imagine any father would condemn his little girl to death by fire in any circumstance.
Here's another (modern day) doting father...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
Oh, and in the books, Stannis doesn't burn his daughter.
And also its only Dany that gets the dragon rescue.
And theres a whole heap on the Ironborn...
Is season 5 available online anywhere (legitly I mean)?
Hmm.. Killing and or raping other mens daughters is one thing, I just couldn't imagine any scenario in which I'd have one put to death by burning. Even if they did something really horrid like killing My Woman or worse stealing my wine. Anyway I certainly wouldn't write something so unlikely into a tale, however graphic and I'd certainly write more scenes where Handsome Dwarves have sex with other mens daughters..
To be fair on the cheesey dragon scene, I had been waiting for wholesale slaughter by dragon for too long. Finally got to see the things go all stompy and killy.
Killing and or raping other mens daughters is one thing, I just couldn't imagine any scenario in which I'd have one put to death by burning.
Great comparisons, just take a look at what is going on in the middle east or up in India etc. the world is a shit place, writing fiction that moves people is interesting, are you offended that he wrote it/they filmed it or that you worry people could do it?
metalheart - Member
Oh, and in the books, Stannis doesn't burn his daughter........
But on the other hand there's that ridiculous Tyrion and the pig storyline where you could see GRRM making it up as he went along. As a trade-off I think it's fair. 🙂
@mikewsmith, you might want to clock the username before you get too het up 🙂
@IdleJon: I didn't say it was a masterful work and literary genius... however I didn't think it was the most ridiculous plot (albeit close!). I think he just wanted to tease a cetain audience with potential dwarf sex 😀
Also (not necessarily you IJ), if you want to see some real barbarity to children, why don't you google Lords Resistance Army. Makes ASOIAF a bit tame in comparison...
tyrionl1 - MemberI just couldn't imagine any scenario in which I'd have one put to death by burning.
That's probably because you, other than a mild dwarf fetish, are a normal, educated person. But it does happen - and for reasons far more trivial than ruling over seven kingdoms. There's nothing in GoT as disturbing as the below.
[i]"A Tunisian man is accused of burning his 13-year-old daughter to death for walking home from school with a male classmate May 28 in Ibn Khaldoun, a suburb of Tunis"[/i]
http://www.tunisia-live.net/2014/06/11/man-burns-daughter-to-death-in-suspected-honor-killing/
[i]****stan 'honour killing victim, 25, burned alive by husband and father-in-law because she left the house without asking permission[/i]'
thought for a minute them spears were gonna do poor Drogon in? might not be so hard after all?
thought for a minute them spears were gonna do poor Drogon in? might not be so hard after all?
Esp given that traditionally Dragons are supposed to have very tough scales as skin....
footflaps - MemberEsp given that traditionally Dragons are supposed to have very tough scales as skin....
Aren't they just wee baby dragons still?
Either way, dragons have pretty much all died out, which means they can't be all that durable.
Either way, dragons have pretty much all died out, which means they can't be all that durable.
[JHJ] That's what they would like you to think[/JHJ]
footflaps - Member
thought for a minute them spears were gonna do poor Drogon in? might not be so hard after all?
Esp given that traditionally Dragons are supposed to have very tough scales as skin
He has to be the most stupid dragon in the world though - "Ooh, that spear hurts, what shall I do? Yep, just sit here waiting for more spears to hurt me. If only I had wings and could fly around burning my attackers.."
Maybe he was soft after moulting his skin and there's a dragon moult skin terrifying some villagers somewhere.
I like Thronecast's barbed comment about his name Drogon the dragon. GRRM, such a genius. 😆