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I don't think anyone is "projecting" anything, that's not how I read it anyway. I'm certainly not.
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The irony is that it isn’t the state of the forum that makes me spend less time here now, it’s the increasing nobbiness of the people who frequent it.
The real irony is that it is the piss poor state of the forum that is bringing out the inner nobbiness of people. 😉
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I don’t think anyone is “projecting” anything, that’s not how I read it anyway. I’m certainly not.
OK.
Probably best not to use such examples in this context, then.
We have a shared document with issues on it which we’ve collated from this post and others. Duplicates don’t matter because we can either add any additional information presented or simply ignore them.
shared document, eh?
that's an example of bleeding edge software development technologies, right there...
It doesn't cost much, well anything actually, to install something like Redmine along with Git to give yourself a basic bug tracking and software version control system. A few minutes to download and a few more to set up and you're ready to rock and roll.
I've got a basic club membership management web "site" on my home computer. No-one else is ever likely to see or use it, I'm the only person to have ever worked on it. New features/bugs get added to the system, I create a branch in git to work on a particular problem. Check the work in, merge back to master, close the feature/bug. The code for the actual club website is also in git, same applies but obviously people see the end result. If there's a problem after I've pushed changes then it's easy to roll back to a working version and re-release that.
Is that cutting edge or bleeding edge?
And has anyone seen the cake yet?
If there is blood on the cake I don't want a slice anymore thanks.
that’s an example of bleeding edge software development technologies, right there…
You know, it's really disheartening to have people complain time and again about a lack of communication and then as soon as someone does try to explain something there's always someone else lining up to take pot shots. It's no wonder Mark isn't on here every day giving updates, I can't say as I blame him.
It wouldn't have been my choice of method either, but it took seconds to set up and it works. If they'd spent a couple of days implementing a bug tracking system or a CVS or something, there would be someone pissing and moaning that they should be fixing the forum instead.
Incidentally,
I've no idea what if anything STW uses internally for versioning, bug tracking etc. They may well already have these things. This was a method for us to report issues instead of sending multiple emails, is all. What happens after that I don't know.
It wouldn’t have been my choice of method either, but it took seconds to set up and it works. If they’d spent a couple of days implementing a bug tracking system or a CVS or something, there would be someone pissing and moaning that they should be fixing the forum instead.
Well one would hope that a VCS was in use already, and also an issue tracking system as well really.
Otherwise it is not really a surprise that this upgrade has been so messed up.
Setting up an issue tracking system wouldn't have taken that long, not withstanding that one should be in place already. And it's a classic case of a little time spent now is better than time lost later because you aren't using the right tools.
Running a test server and disabling anything with financial implications should be easy - if there are configuration issues then these should have been sorted out before the upgrade - it just sounds like the devs are flying by the seat of your pants.
I’ve no idea what if anything STW uses internally for versioning, bug tracking etc. They may well already have these things. This was a method for us to report issues instead of sending multiple emails, is all. What happens after that I don’t know.
We use Redmine.
A lot.
I wasn't having a pop at you Mark, honest 🙂 , more musing on how I do it for my personal stuff. We have heavy duty systems at work linking bugs/requests with version control and billing, but way OTT for most.
@Cougar - My misunderstanding of what you meant by the shared document. I took it to mean that was the bug tracking system, I think others did too.
Just logging in again for the fourth or fifth time today.. 😉
Scrolled back a few pages to find Mark's post. Which is a useful bit of explanation. I'll not get too much into it but regular communication is very important to maintaining good will. I would suggest that post is added to the other locked forum post that only Mark posts in, and that the title is updated to reflect the last update - E,g 'our forum - updated 14/02/18'
then people will see that an update to communication has been made and will read it.
As a note, I've been a print subscriber to both singletrack and grit.cx so done my bit to help this place along. All I and a lot of people are asking is that the mushroom principle isn't applied to us
Mark, is the "Forum -> Favourites" list being basically random a known issue?
[b]Mark[/b] wrote:
Our plan and how it has turned out has well, gone as expected.
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Why does it look like we are developing on a live system? Well, we have a testbed server with a replica of the live site and we use that extensively. We have a sandbox server too and we use that lots too. But with all the BACS, Custom payment systems and such that are intrinsically interwoven we had a choice to make.
We could set up our testbed server and install all our financial systems including all our subscribers accounts onto it and submit it for BACS approval and some cost in order that we could test the forum and site extensively before simply switch the old one off and activating the new one or we could do what we’ve done and safely install the new forum core functions knowing there would be quite a few cosmetic issues that would frustrate many of you that we would then fix.
This is the bit I still don't understand. You had test servers you were running the new software on, but expected to have all these problems when you went live anyway? Or is the suggestion that all the problems with the user interface on the site are somehow related to integration with BACS? Why is it that you weren't able to fix those things before integrating, before going live? If the problems were related to BACS, payment or financial systems then that might make sense, but we're talking about basic forum functionality here, which should have absolutely no connection with those and should run live in just the same way as on the test servers.
If I lived a bit closer I'd take you up on the visit offer - I'd love to know why you aren't seeing these problems on the test servers. It does all work fine on the test servers doesn't it?
I suspect it is down to experience aracer. I doubt a business like STW can afford to recruit at a real hairy arse level. I remember the dev ads having a salary circa £25k which is going to get you a lot of enthusiasm but not a huge track record of having done this sort of thing before. I've been through this many times and it isn't easy so I do sympathise. Ultimately they are a publisher not a cloud company and this is probably where change is needed and hopefully is happening.
Sure, but we keep asking for them to be honest with us and Mark is still being bullish about it all being done in the best possible way.
Is there any idea when the buttons will appear for the button-less?
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Is there any idea when the buttons will appear for the button-less?
Buttons? Don't need them if you can BB-code.
Oooh, new things? 🙂
Buttons? Don’t need them if you can BB-code.
Perhaps a sticky How-To guide would be a good idea to help keep the forum going in this indefinite period of malaise?
Oooh, new things?
Where are you seeing that? Looks the same to me?
>Perhaps a sticky How-To guide would be a good idea to help keep the forum going in this indefinite period of malaise?
That was my suggestion also..
testing
edit: that works, happy now
badger
edit 2: happier
Where are you seeing that? Looks the same to me?
I found it via a random Google. Didn’t post the address as it looks from the links it’s in development.
search function doesn't search forum.
Ah cant search in overview, have to search each section. Better than nothing
Nope its still pants
There’s 2 Bruneep one for the site and one for the forums. The one for the forums is on the forum main page.
great when I'm doing a search I'm always looking for a post from 2009
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search/lights/
Yup I noticed that too tweaks to it will be coming.
This update is proper shite. I'm out!
The ads are making the screen jump up and down as they load on my mobile now, resizing as they do so. Really annoying as even on a really fast 4G signal it takes about 3-4 seconds to stop. Means I go to click a thread and the screen jumps so I either click the wrong thread or click an advert!
On chrome on android.
quotes still visible from space
no editing buttons (win10, firefox)
pages v slow to load - i guess thats the ads combined with my SooperFastBroadband (clocking very nearly 5Mb today)
forum was readable from work (win7,IE), didnt try logging in tho
Working fine (better than pre update I think?) for me now. Thank you
Still not working using Firefox with Windows or Android so will keep fingers crossed it'll sort out one day.
It's only possible to type in a reply there are no others buttons available.
Is it possible to check buyers or sellers forum history now like it used to be?
I’ve stayed away since the update was rolled out.
Still no forum activity?
Still no forum activity?
Yes and no. Can now see topics started but I can’t see a list of threads I’ve replied to, which was a feature I found useful.
Edit: quotes appear to be fixed now
Discovered one of those huge smilies on Amazon Fire tablet this morning in the cat-knapping thread. Running the latest Fire OS on a Fire HD8.
Hats off to the devs, record numbers of blocked items today! 😀
Beating your own record, mind. 😉
Oooooh! Shiney.
Might be shiny, but still shitty copy and paste quoting.
Yup. I am a one trick pony.
....assume it's just a skin, and no functionality added/improved/brought back?
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Edit 3: rgni45j[ginr;vowenfi234ognf45rgew;d23;djn4f32rfgrtbgtnhot4ph6htg
Its back! 😁
I don't care for the grey text, the contrast with black text is much better.
Horrendous text colour. And font choice.
Horrendous text colour. And font choice.
I like the font. Nice and easy to read. Black text would be nicer though.
edit: quoted text far too light a colour
A niche request I know, but is it possible to post an image directly from Flickr on an iPhone yet. I’ve tried a few options but none seem to work.
Looking much more handsome
there’s a few bits of statistical clutter we can do without
ahhh tried to copy and paste an example but can’t (iOS)
i think im supposed to throw a massive strop now but I’ve eaten too much to get sufficiently animated
EDIT actually I can c&p I was just being a clumsy fud
with the cleaner layout we can do without.....
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