Wasn't a dig at you funkmasterp, just a general comment. Not being the biggest fan myself I do get where you're coming from. Having said that, as a very occasional tournament only viewer, I did "enjoy" the game tonight. Not sure enjoy is exactly the right word! I couldn't be doing with that stress on a regular basis.
telling me I don’t understand a simple children’s game.
Tell me you don't understand the game without telling me.
I don’t enjoy the game, it’s 22 players kicking a bag of air round a field. It doesn’t form part of my identity or define me, or affect my “national pride” or whatever.
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EMOTICONS.DATAHAMSTER.COM I’m perfectly capable of admiring the skill shown, on occasion, but when it’s starting to show drama worthy of an Oscar, I roll my eyes, and think, give us a break, luv, you tripped over someone’s foot, and skinned your knees on the grass! What are you, five?
That’s where I appreciate rugby, when someone gets taken off the field, you absolutely know they’ve been hurt. Hopefully they’ll have survived and won’t get eaten by the survivors!
I’ve been watching the tennis, and I really admire the stamina and skill involved with that as a sport, the same with professional level cycling.
I can’t wait for the Olympics to start, and this year especially the archery, because it’s a sport I’m able to take part in myself, and as a result, I know the skill it takes to put an arrow on the ‘spider’, the little cross in the centre of the gold, at 70 metres - getting an arrow in the gold at 40 yards is hard enough!
I've said this before around discussions like "screen time" for kids. Things only really become a problem when they become all-encompassing. If a kid was glued to a tablet 24/7 I'd tell them to go outside and kick a ball about; if all they wanted to do is play football I'd drag them back indoors occasionally to build some Lego. Exclusive obsessions aren't healthy, we recognise this in children but normalise it as adults.
I’ve even had folk carry on telling me about a game when I’ve already politely told them I’m not interested.
One time at work, I had this conversation with a bloke I've never seen before:
"See the game last night?"
What game?
"Manchester."
Right. Uh, what were they doing, then?
"The footie!"
Oh, I see. Sorry, I don't follow football.
"No, no, me neither." *proceeds to talk at me about football for the next 25 minutes.*
?♂️ I have my interests, some quite niche, but I have more than one.
But I am genuinely puzzled as to why football gets such a massively greater audience than rugby,
But do you seriously believe that someone is going to pop up on this thread & come up with half a dozen reasons why people like football which will lead you to say “Oh that’s why it is”. The fact is, football is massively popular on a global scale so it can’t be that much of a mystery. If you don’t enjoy it, that’s fine, we don’t all like the same things , but there is never going to be an answer to your question which will satisfy you.
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Les Gets DH world cup was so much more entertaining today.
It was in a slightly frightening way! The amount of really hard crashes, more so in the women's race was not nice to watch!
I can’t wait for the Olympics to start
"Can't wait" would be an overstatement, but whilst I'm no particular fan of spectator sports I'll likely watch some of the Olympics just because it's something different.
and this year especially the archery, because it’s a sport I’m able to take part in myself, and as a result, I know the skill it takes to put an arrow on the ‘spider’
As a lapsed field archer, I'll be watching the target archery as perhaps a rugby fan would watching football, thinking "bunch of tarts, why don't they do it properly?" 🙂
Oh and I enjoy watching league football but not international stuff, conversely I enjoy international Rugby Union but club less so???
Tell me you don’t understand the game without telling me.
And you insist on carrying on! Pretty much all sports are children’s games. I understand the rules, tactics blah blah blah. I used to box and do martial arts, I ride bikes and used to climb. Don’t watch any of them and still understand them. Football isn’t special in that regard. It’s a relatively simple game. Like most, it takes a hell of a lot of skill to master. Telling me I don’t understand ‘the game’ is just a bit sad. It’s perfectly easy to understand something yet not enjoy it.
Very global. Once had a kick-a-bout in Aït Benhaddou with a few Bedouin.
I reckon one of the reasons it is so popular is because the basics are very easy to pick up and understand when compared to some other team games. Also helps that it can be played anywhere and only requires a ball. Not that I understand the game though, just too complex ?
People like different stuff.
Excellent. Can someone please tell the die hard football fans?
Because their reaction can range from confusion though incredulous to downright angry that another man might possibly not care about their so called beautiful game.
When I have over my years recieved a good amout of abuse purely because I like different stuff, then yea, I'm going to be pretty negative about the whole cultish thing that football seems to have around it.
To enjoy watching sport you need to both understand what you are watching and be invested in it. I reckon football 'wins' as a spectator sport because most people have been forced to kick a ball about a bit so vaguely know the rules and it's popular enough that peer pressure gets a lot of people to join a tribe. Then it snowballs - the more you watch, the more you know and the more you get invested in your tribe.
Football.....very sporty kid and did lots of sports to a high level but football never did it for me. My dad wasn't into football in the slightest and I didn't live anywhere near a 1st division club so suffered no peer pressure to speak of. Consequently I am totally meh about football.
Pretty much the only sport I enjoy being a spectator of is cricket. Even then, it's being there or listening to it - not too fussed about watching on the telly.
A bit like actual religion, I reckon family have a lot to do with your attitude to football. Very few people become football fundamentalists from football agnostic households.
Excellent. Can someone please tell the die hard football fans
Except that there seems to be certain portion of the population who don’t like football who sometimes seem to want to go out of their way to provoke an argument. For example:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/football-its-just-a-bit-pants-really-isnt-it/
Spot on Convert. It’s the investment bit, not the understanding I lack. Quite enjoy a good kick about for a laugh. Falls down when taken seriously for me.
Its coming home, its coming home!! Wahhheyyy, gooowaaaan England!!!!!
At risk of being mildly controversial, how well do you think it would go down if we waded into the Euro 2024 thread and posted about how pants we think football is.
What you have just done is the equivalent of saying 'but bacon' to a vegan. Have a word.
But I am genuinely puzzled as to why football gets such a massively greater audience than rugby,
Because Rugby is shit! It’s not even a proper game. It’s just a load of Ruperts running headfirst into each other in an attempt to see who can get brain damage the fastest. That hardly requires much skill, does it?
Side note. Is it just me who is getting auto subscribed to this thread and getting an unwanted notification every time someone posts in it?
The "notify me of follow up replies" box keeps checking itself. I deselect it, leave the thread and it's selected again when I come back!
Except that there seems to be certain portion of the population who don’t like football who sometimes seem to want to go out of their way to provoke an argument.
If you have taken the thread as a whole as wanting to provoke an arguement might I suggest that is on you. Lovers of football do seem to take any such slight against their chosen sport a bit too personally.
Personally I saw it as an opportunity for other people who also don't particually like football to congregate and have a good moan.
Much like the Euro 2024 thread is an opportunity for people who do like football to congregate and talk about football.
Also, nobody likes watching England play. The delta between expectation and reality makes it unbearable.
YOU think its unbearable? Try being in any of the other home nations listening to folk endlessly prattle on about it. FFS I remember watching the rugby world cup and the arse commentating brought up 1966 as if it was in any way relevant. As a nation you really need to temper your expectations, try taking a leaf out of Scotlands playbook.
When I have over my years recieved a good amout of abuse purely because I like different stuff, then yea, I’m going to be pretty negative about the whole cultish thing that football seems to have around it.
Also this. Been on the receiving end of that shite too many times. That's before you even get into the SW Scotland sectarian toxicity.
try taking a leaf out of Scotlands playbook.
What, instead of winning something rarely, win nothing ever?
Because Rugby is shit! It’s not even a proper game. It’s just a load of Ruperts running headfirst into each other in an attempt to see who can get brain damage the fastest. That hardly requires much skill, does it?
That's just silly. But how stupid are football players, giving themselves brain damage by heading the ball? The pathetic play acting is pretty off-putting too, particularly in comparison to the way cyclists or rugby players cope with injury.
I have never been particularly bothered by it but my youngest loves sport including football, this has lead to me to actually enjoy it. I’ve watched more matches in this cup than probably other euro comps put together.
People like different stuff. Who knew?!
* wanders off to start ‘chocolate is rubbish. Cheese is miles betterer’ thread*
But how stupid are football players, giving themselves brain damage by heading the ball
To be fair, heading a plastic bag full of wind is going to cause brain damage a lot slower than repeatedly head butting Giles the solicitor from Basingstoke
It’s a relatively simple game.
At a very basic level. To watch a pro game and understand the tactics properly is a different matter. Hence the OP describing it as tedious leads me to suspect they don't really understand the tactics and patterns. And while at a basic level scoring at one end and not allowing the other team to score kind of summarises it, at that level if you see a tactical game without lots of goals then you can be mistaken into thinking it is a poor game.
Kind of like watching the TdF and thinking it's 176 people all in a bike race; once you understand GC, drafting, crosswinds, echelons, puncheurs, grimpeurs, domestiques then you can actually enjoy it properly.
What a strange thread
I'm in a pub at the moment with 5 of my mates. 2 of them not drinking as they're doctors on call. Watching the match, chatting about it. Its not a cult meeting. They're mainly Gaelic football fans. But love footy too.
Tomorrow out on our bikes and talk punctures.
What, instead of winning something rarely, win nothing ever?
No, by tempering your collective expectations. Every sodding time it's the same, convince yourselves this one is it then go into collective mourning when it isn't. Set your expectations low and you won't be disappointed
What a strange thread
Strange thread for a strange sport, can you name another where DV rates increase after a game?
I do think these threads are reverse snobbery. Oh look at me, I don’t like football and all these people talk to me about it.
I live and work in Liverpool. Football is a big thing in Liverpool. I’m not a football fan, I played rugby until I was in my 30’s, injury made me take up road cycling. Raced until I was 45….Im seen as following odd sports by most folk up here. But no one looks at me like I have six heads, that sounds more like paranoia. If they want to talk to me about their sport, that’s ok. They enjoy it and that’s fine.
My friends still play vets Sunday league football. Sounds like madness to me, but they enjoy it. So I don’t criticise the things they want to do, the things they enjoy. Live and let live.
Binners comments about Rugby, that’s also fine. It’s just jesting. He may think that, but that’s ok. If we were having a beer and he wanted to talk about football, that would be fine. I won’t understand why he likes it so much, but he does. I also wouldn’t have a clue what he was talking about for the most part. My friends rib me all the time for not liking football, the jokes about me preferring to stick my head up a fat blokes bum, sharing a post match bath with 30 blokes etc.
(I actually go to the odd Everton game, it’s free as is the beer! I don’t particularly watch the football, but it’s still a good day out, my friends really enjoy it and I enjoy the Guinness!!)
It’s easy to set your sights low if your team hasn’t ever made it out of the group stages. England have got to the semifinals on three out of the last four tournaments. It’s not unreasonable or unrealistic to assume that they have a chance of winning something. To pretend otherwise would just be false modesty.
At risk of being mildly controversial, how well do you think it would go down if we waded into the Euro 2024 thread and posted about how pants we think football is.
Yeah, zero crossover of posters.
Half my "problem" with football is the fans, their tribalism and their antics.
Really happy that Turkey lost given the amount of booing going on each time the Dutch touched the ball.
Set your expectations low and you won’t be disappointed
What a way to live your life!
can you name another where DV rates increase after a game?
That's often stated, have you actually read any articles behind the stats?
You can like both. I missed most of the England game because I watched Ireland v South Africa.
Half my “problem” with football is the fans, their tribalism and their antics
The tribalism and antics is precisely why I absolutely love it!
All this ‘we can all have a pint together afterwards’ bollocks with the rugby? **** that! I want venomous hatred and mutual abuse ?
Even then, it’s being there or listening to it
To a non-sportsball watcher that's even more weird. What do you get from that?
"Ooh, did you hear in the 27th minute, when Jones passed the ball to Smith, and then back to Jones? We'll never hear the likes of that again, amazing stuff." It's like watching a rock concert on mute.
I do think these threads are reverse snobbery. Oh look at me, I don’t like football and all these people talk to me about it.
Honestly, I don't disagree, I find threads created to discuss things people don't like to be a bit odd. Though asking "is it just me" or "am I missing something here" on the other hand seems reasonable enough.
I think it's more of a problem when people wade in purely to derail conversations. Like, I'd never comment on a football thread because I simply don't care. A thread going "it's a bit pants" is my wheelhouse; actual fans can either explain why they think it's not pants and perhaps educate the OP, or ignore it and go to the multitude of other "yay football" forums/media.
But Cougar, the question “is it just me” or “what am I missing” is purely a smoke screen. No one who asks this question actually wants to be be educated or told why other people enjoy it. They want another user to join in sharing their loathing of people who enjoy things they don’t.
When I see a score like 6-0 I assume that's the judges score for artistic style in diving 😉
Or for feigning near fatal injury if they get tripped up or brushed by an opponent 😉
Flatmate used to go on and on and on and on and on and ariston and on... about "his" team (on the opposite side of the country). Tried to explain why a nil-nil match was so exciting, and the whole point of it was 90 minutes of controlling possession. Which is weird, cos the point of the game when we were forced to play it in PE lessons was to score goals. To me that's like TdF, but they all just roll over the line at the end in a bunch with no sprints and get the same time.
Did watch one match for real once. We left 10 min before the end to avoid the mad crush and to get the car before the traffic got too bad. Never watched a match since. "pants" would be the word I'd use to describe it.
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International football has become a different animal to club football (especially the Premier League), it's not about entertaining, it's about not embarrassing your country and scraping a result where you can. And much as everyone seems to love to hate Southgate, he's quite good at it.
But Cougar, the question “is it just me” or “what am I missing” is purely a smoke screen. No one who asks this question actually wants to be be educated or told why other people enjoy it. They want another user to join in sharing their loathing of people who enjoy things they don’t.
Perhaps. Maybe that is the point.
But so what? Is there harm in a pub advertising itself as "football-free" as an antidote to those who don't buy into the national obsession? Is there harm in a thread where football-hating curmudgeons can talk about why they dislike football and how much of a pain in the arse it is to avoid it?
I'm the world's worst for wading in when something is objectively wrong, I can't help myself. If something is subjectively wrong then perhaps that's an opening for discussion. And if something is merely opinion then, well...
