Cantona was revered as near deity (still is) and the fans didn’t have an issue with him king fu kicking some horrible little racist gobshite, especially after him clearing everything up with his seagulls/trawler/sardines explanation 😃
That’s a whole world away from Greenwood (who’s achieved what exactly?) and his nasty, violent rapey shit!
Yeah, I wouldn't compare the two. There always has been and always will be some fans who could probably do with being kung fu kicked. You don't need to have the sound on to see the abuse players get just taking a corner or throw in, it's pathetic.
Ferguson would have binned him straight away
Only because of the publicity it brought to the club, not because of his actual actions. United were more than happy to hush up players indiscretions during the fergie years. Giggs is almost synonymous with super injunctions while at united.
the only reason half of fergies teams from the 90's/early 2000's aren't in jail or on the SOR is because of the lack of smartphones
He’d have been gone by the next morning. Contract terminated, off you ****!
but stood by Rio & his drugs ban?
I don't think either of those things are comparable with the Mason Greenwood situation, really?
Have you listened to the audio footage? Seen the photos?
Anyway... thats all academic really. The fact is that the clubs owners clearly want to bring Greenwood back into playing for the first team as soon as possible. They were hoping to get him back for Mondays game, apparently
They've made a statement today saying that they are still 'consulting' and no decision has been reached, but this is clearly bollocks. How long do they need to 'consult'?
The Athletic are reporting that what has actually happened is that they have already announced their decision to 'stakeholders' and they've been met with a huge backlash from the supporters, sponsors, other players and the women's team in particular - somewhat unsurprisingly
We know from years of bitter experience that the owners couldn't give a toss what the supporters think, but if theres a chance they'll lose money with sponsors taking a stand and dumping them, that may actually make them think
I doubt it. Going off past experience, I expect them to plough on ahead, as they always do, and try and bring him back. This really, really won't go down well at all with anyone but the clubs more meat-headed supporters. I haven't spoken to a single United fan who thinks he should ever put on a United shirt again. The only support I've seen for it is from nobheads on Twitter
BOXT 1 - Ideal 1 in the boiler derby. Thank **** there's no VAR in the Championship 😂
Yeah, back to the actual football, if we play against Spurs like we did on Monday, we’re going to get tonked!
It’s going to take a bit more than a new keeper to start playing it out from the back like like Pep-era Barcelona. If he leaves Casemiro marooned in midfield on his own while everyone else is up front waiting for passes that are never going to come then we are ****ed!
It took 2 games last season before he abandoned that nonsense. The second of which, when we got absolutely hammered by Brentford, being possibly the worst United performance I’ve ever seen. There was a lot of swearing went on. I’m kind of expecting that tomorrow
To top it all off, it looks like - shock, horror, who’d have thunk it? - the Glazers had no intention of selling the club after all.
Really? Who knew? Other than every United fan?
I'd just like to take the opportunity to point out Forest are joint top of the table, admittedly sat in 8th, but I'll take that 😀
I see Rachel Riley is threatening to stop supporting Utd if Greenwood returns. Surely that'll make them take notice! 😊
In isolation, Rachel Riley won't change anything but her public statement may (hopefully) cause others to go public with their condemnation.
As binners has pointed out, the backlash from the women's team will be forceful.
It's only the world cup campaign which, IMO, has temporarily stopped female players from publicly expressing their views.
That is likely to change after Sunday and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the MU women's are considering transfer requests.
If england win, the team will have a massive public platform and it's inconceivable they won't use it.
I'm not an England fan but I really hope they win, then tell the Man Yoo board what to do with Greenwood
The vast majority of the public will support them
Trouble is he'll probably end up playing in Saudi with like-minded misogynists earning millions.
In isolation, Rachel Riley won’t change anything but her public statement may (hopefully) cause others to go public with their condemnation.
I made the mistake of reading the comments section on a Manchester based news site. With one or two notable exceptions, most responses totally ignored what Greenwood had done and why Riley might find it offensive.
I'm fairly sure they weren't a fair reflection of United fans views
If it’s anything like Twitter, it’ll be the randomly capitalised, badly spelt, angry ramblings of sad little man-baby’s sat in their room at their mum and dads house, watching Andrew Tate videos on YouTube and trying to work out why they’ve never had a girlfriend
Meanwhile, I’m fairly certain there will be plenty more protests like this at the game this afternoon, which is more what the vast majority of less shouty United supporters think
Getting back to the football itself, Citeh v Newcastle should be an absolute belter later. Us v Spurs probably less so.
Are 8pm kick off, Saturday night games going to be a thing this season then?
If England win tomorrow, Ella Toone, Katie Zelem and Mary Earps will now find their post-match interviews soiled with questions about this issue. They will effectively be in a position to veto his return to the team, but why should it fall to them to expose themselves to the kind of abuse it would inevitably generate? The announcement from Utd that it was canvassing the views of its female players (ie using them as a human shield) was a pretty disgusting abdication of responsibility.
I just don't understand it. He's a decent player, but not one you build a team around, and could have been offloaded to some far flung league without much fuss. Presumably Ten Hag must really want him.
Getting back to the football itself,
Yeah, should be good. Nice of the PL to schedule one of the toughest games of our season on the Saturday after a European final (of sorts).
Marina Hydes column in the Guardian today making the same point as yourself there Martin
https://twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1692778836977480110?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
I think he’s better than you think martinhutch - way better. Genuinely two footed, quick, and a superb finisher. I believe it’s Ten Hag pushing his reintegration, ultimately he wants him in the side.
Nice of the PL to schedule one of the toughest games of our season on the Saturday after a European final (of sorts).
Of sorts is doing some lifting there. You have the deepest squad in the league, your reserves would challenge for Europe on their own. And despite that you used one sub on Wednesday and now Guardiola's moaning about fatigue, in week 2 of the season. Just get on with it.
Don’t blame the PL, it’s not their fault! You can accuse them of lots of things, but this is nowt to do with them
Blame UEFA for bothering with a totally pointless game anyway (does anyone care about the outcome of it?), and then sticking it in the opening week of the domestic season. All they’re bothered about is the revenues, not whether it stuffs up domestic fixtures. This is on them, not the Premier League
I think it’s great that they’re having such a big game kick off at 8pm on a Saturday night. More of that please
Are 8pm kick off, Saturday night games going to be a thing this season then?
Sincerely hope not. I've actually got mates who don't like football and I don't want to go to a pub with 200 TVs on a Saturday night.
Well yeah, it was a pointless friendly, effectively, but not one we could swerve or put out a B team for (though, TBH, given our happy relationship with EUFA, perhaps we should have done just that). Not sure why things couldn't be tweaked once we'd won the CL Final to let us play Sunday or Monday.
The fatigue doesn't happen in week 2, it happens a bit later down the line if players aren't given sufficient recovery time between matches.
The fatigue doesn’t happen in week 2, it happens a bit later down the line if players aren’t given sufficient recovery time between matches.
You're moaning because you've got a big game this weekend that you need the first team out for. They won't be fatigued yet, and if there was a risk of it in week two then Pep should have rotated your massive squad more. To reiterate, your B team would easily finish top 6.
Sure, fatigue comes later on but that's the point. After today you've got 2 games against lower level opposition you can rotate for, then a week off for internationals (which yes, you will have players in) then 3 weeks against lower opposition. I know no easy games but Fulham, Sheff Utd, Wolves, WHam and Forest are your next five before you finally have another high tariff game against Arsenal on 8th Oct. That's what your squad is for, to manage the fatigue.
Tell Pep to dry his eyes and get on with it.
I think it’s great that they’re having such a big game kick off at 8pm on a Saturday night. More of that please
Having been to toon away matches where more than 2-3 hours drinking time is possible I predict utter carnage at the Etihad this evening. I hope they've hired extra stewards and cleaners to clean up the mess. 😀
Going to be quite a game tonight, but sadly I won't be watching as I'm off on holiday later and don't land in Portugal til 8pm. Something tells me abandoning the family as soon as we land to go find a bar showing the football will not go down very well.
Also if the toon win tonight it's going to be extremely difficult to keep a lid on the hysteria. Maybe a 0-0 draw would be the best all-round result.
If you’re a top team then throughout the season you’ll have plenty of weeks where you’ll be playing midweek in Europe with a Premier League match at the weekend.
That’s just how it is. That’s the way it’s always been and always will be. So I’ve little time for any manager bleating about it. It’s not like they haven’t got big enough squads to cope. Suck it up, buttercup 😃
In Peps case he could have shoved the reserves out midweek (who could still beat most teams in Europe) and nobody would have cared
Maybe a 0-0 draw would be the best all-round result.
at least let's have another 3-3 if it's got to be a draw.
I cancelled BT sport (now TNT) last season, I can't justify £25 a month for it but I might need to go to the pub tonight.
Anyone watching the NUFC documentary on Amazon Prime?
BT sport is the only one I kept as I love the European games, a nice bit of escapism for winter nights. Binned Sky a long time ago.
I cancelled BT sport (now TNT) last season, I can’t justify £25 a month for it but I might need to go to the pub tonight.
I believe TNT is being shown on Discovery+. My annual discovery+ subscription (which I bought to watch GCN) is around £70 a year. Not quite sure how that works with BT/TNT being £25 a month but it might be worth a go.
Oh Christ! It’s on BT Sport, is it?! Sacked it off ages ago for a number of reasons but mainly Steve McManomanomanomanoman 🙄
Anyone watching the NUFC documentary on Amazon Prime?
I am.
Looking forward to the next episode with the Spurs game!
I see Man Utd have another wrongun. Antony up now.
So new season, new manager (not unusual) a few new players but as usual it doesn't feel enough... I am not expecting much but hoping for.... for.... some hope I guess. Could postecoglou be the messiah? There's always hope for a few weeks in the summer isn't there 🤣
First home game and a chance to see how we set up against one of the stronger teams, and one we struggle with most. Spurs v man u, evening kick off.
In Spain La Liga move domestic fixtures to help the teams in European competitions, I think they do in Germany as well. It is something that contributes to aiding their teams.
The thing with the PL is the TV rights match time restrictions, and selling packages of matches to rival broadcasters. IMO it is time for the PL to just have their own platform, and just show every match. There is no evidence that televised matches adversely affects matchday attendances in other countries.
That would allow a little more flexibility in helping English teams in European competitions.
And I don't want to pay for 6 channels of wall to wall sports coverage when all I want is to watch a couple of football matches a week. The only other sport I am really bothered about is the downhill.
The thing with the PL is the TV rights match time restrictions, and selling packages of matches to rival broadcasters. IMO it is time for the PL to just have their own platform, and just show every match. There is no evidence that televised matches adversely affects matchday attendances in other countries.
Totally agree. They and the clubs could make an absolute fortune if they had their own streaming platform.
Watching live football is a completely different level of commitment, than the armchair supporter. It wouldn't effect attendances at EPL games at all.
It's absolutely archaic that they cannot show 3.00pm Saturday kick offs. If they did, it would probably increase attendances because fans complain about annoying kick off times and love a 3 o'clock Saturday game.
Well Amazon have messed up.
In Episode 4, they apparently announce the new Sponsorship deal with Adidas, which hasn't been formally announced yet.
They have now took the episodes down.
It’s absolutely archaic that they cannot show 3.00pm Saturday kick offs.
Its utterly insane that you can watch the 3 o clock Premier League kick offs in any other country in the world apart from this one.
The whole concept of it affecting attendances has looked more ridiculous with each passing year*
As for the Newcastle doc... are there any clubs not having a documentary made? I started watching the Burnley one on Netflix then just lost interest. The only one that any good is 'Sunderland Til I Die' as it catalogues an epic tale of mismanagement as they go into freefall through the leagues. My mate who's a Sunderland fan said he nearly kicked the telly in ten minutes into the first episode and couldn't watch any more of it 😂
* The Emptyhad excepted, obviously
Well Amazon have messed up.
In Episode 4, they apparently announce the new Sponsorship deal with Adidas, which hasn’t been formally announced yet.
They have now took the episodes down.
someone's going to be in trouble.
Oh hello! Postecoglou IS the messiah!
Good to see us starting this season in exactly the same fashion as we started the last one… a total and utter ****ing shambles, home and then away
I can’t believe we started this game today with the same squad in the same formation that was so absolutely dire on Monday
Looks like it’s going to be a very, very long season, involving some absolute arse-kickings, if we’re going to carry on playing like that.
If you're a ManU supporter, that must have been grim, Spurs were making lots of mistakes, and no ManU player was able to really put the foot in, they look proper soft in midfield, they walked through it at times, not sure how you fix that, you have all the players that should be able to build a competitive team, but not sure Mount has improved the starting 11, and definitely not sure what Antony has on ten Hag, but it must be juicy to get a start every week 🤣
As a Celtic supporter i have to say that Spurs game reminded me of last season, dodgy as hell in the first 20 minutes trying to work out formation, movement, etc, and if they survive that, then they gain confidence, think they'll lose a few with so many slack passes and messing about, but when it works it's nice to watch.
Don't worry Binners you've got us at home next Saturday, we're renowned for reinvigorating a teams confidence after a bad spell, I think we even tried to get Leicester kick started last year. 🙂
I do enjoy a Binners 6-0-6 style rant!
I guess with Brighton humping Wolves, who really should have had at least a point against United on Monday, that result was predictable. I don’t think Mount is a centre mid - wide forward or attacking midfielder maybe. But not sitting next to Casemiro.
I've ended up in the pub with 200 TV's.
"We" played good.
"you" played good.
How many are included in those we"s and you's?
Never understood this.....
"you" had f-all to do with the result. You were a mere bystander.
