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[i]Firing squad for scum like him, so what if he is mentally ill how and why is that an excuse. If ANYONE did that to my kid i would personally maim them[/i]
Let's say your kid has an accident or catches a virus that leaves him brain damaged but physically ok, stuck forever with the mind of a 4 year old. And let's just say, unaware of his own strength and not being completely understanding of the differences between "right" and "wrong", accidentally kills/harms another child - you'll be right there calling for the execution without trial of your own child would you?
And let's run that a little bit further - let's say you have 2 children, and the damamged one kills the other one - you'd be right there, ready to pull the trigger, right?
BigButSlimmerBloke, sad to say that whilst you are absolutely correct, you are wasting your valuable time. I suspect his mother was in the queue for gob when she should have been in the one for intellect. 😉
he suffered an abnormality of mind which impaired his responsibility.
You do know its the Defence Solicitors job to sieze on the thinnest of defence dont you?
'Mentally ill'? You do realise that you need a screw loose to kill someone dont you?
A perfectly sane, normal person doesnt kill someone because they felt like it.
In prison he'll receive training and indoctronation to set him up for life- after all, theres definitely no honour amongst thieves.
When did the UK general population become soo Liberal? Look to France, would a UK Prime Minister ban all headcoverings as insulting to women? NO. Spineless and I wonder who teaches our children this blend of Liberalism.
Second thoughts, lets help him with his abnormality of mind and shoot him twice in the back of the head. Then hang his body up in Salford as a warning to any other loonies. ****s.
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Hora your bizarre drivel just gets worse every day. Please be quiet.
grumm, I'm sure there is a liberal handringing class somewhere waiting on a late-student. Run along dear? 😉 (puts tin-hat on)
See what happened when Thatchers lot closed all the loony bins?? 😯
They are all out, (its Ok until they forget to take their meds).
Handringing? Campanology? If you are going to try and insult someone you could at least spell the words correctly. Numpty.
Campanology? Is that the study of homosexuality? 😕
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Is it Thatchers fault?I wonder who teaches our children this blend of Liberalism.
Is this thread still going? 🙄
Is it Thatchers fault?
Either that or the Major's
Whoa just seen this topic and read the report. If anyone did that to my son I'd be up on a murder charge. Easy as.
tommo999, careful. In reality you would need to meet with him, except his apology, keep a correspondence with him whilst he is in jail whilst understanding that he had a hardlife/upbringing.
Whoa just seen this topic and read the report. If anyone did that to my son I'd be up on a murder charge. Easy as.
Read my last post - what if it was your kid that did it?
It's a long time since I've read such self-righteous uneducated Sun reading p1sh. Millions of years of evolution and the like of you knuckle dragging halfwits are the result. I'd like to see Darwin explain that.
tommo999, careful. In reality you would need to meet with him, except his apology, keep a correspondence with him whilst he is in jail whilst understanding that he had a hardlife/upbringing.
Yes because that's what the family members of murdered people are made to do isn't it. I read it in the Daily Mail.
By the way it's 'accept'.
Why does anyone care? Get a grip, stop reading the news if it causes you to get a fit of the vapours.
As the goverment has borrowed heavily for the future perhaps the cost saving should be taken out of the prison system. After all a bullit for every prisoner could save huge amounts of money. If we just look at it as an accounts issue. Simple really.
Penguinious - MemberWhen did the UK general population become soo Liberal? Look to France, would a UK Prime Minister
I'm sorry Penguinious, what's the point you're making ?
That we don't put people in prison because unlike France this country is too liberal ? 😕
Because not only does France not have the death sentence, but it also has a much smaller prison population than England and Wales.
France imprisons 91 persons for every 100,000 compared to the 142 per 100,000 England and Wales imprisons - a huge difference. Which by your reckoning must make France a far more liberal country ?
BTW, the USA imprisons 714 persons per 100,000 by far the highest rate in the world - obviously not a very 'liberal' country then.
Shame they don't have a crime-free society to show for it though.
as stated before "kill the bastard"
ernie_lynch I'm talking about Sarkozy's speach on seculalism and Muslim headwear. A political stance, true. However I admire his stance. Its degrading to women.
Anyway, going back when we had the death sentance- alot of mistakes/miscarriages of justice happened. Now though we have advances in forensics/DNA...why should we have the scrote back on our streets again in the name of a modern society...read into that what you like.
it is [b]secularism[/b]
I am certain the advance in science means no innocent people are in jail 🙄
I read into that you are fairly diwittted and lacking in forgiveness and empathy 😉
Ah. Tis like nostalgia. Back to the days of nazi-style spelling tribunals STW/online 😆 8) 🙄
I'm talking about Sarkozy's speach on seculalism and Muslim headwear.
So what has that got to do with Demi Mahon being battered to death by another child, eh ?
Go on .......... hit me with it
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The death of Demi Mahon is indisputably, a truly tragic story.
The only way I could see this story becoming [i]any more[/i] tragic, would be if the State decided to execute the 15 year old responsible for her death. Or as the OP desperately wants, the 15 year old's name was released and he was hunted down and murdered by a band of vigilante ****wits.
I would rather live in a society where neither individuals, the State, nor vigilantes, acted in a barbaric way.
Unfortunately sometimes some individuals [i]will[/i] behave in a barbaric way - it would be foolish to believe that this can ever be stopped from happening. But I see no reason whatsoever why the State should ever be reduced to that level. And it is perfectly reasonable to expect it never to do so.
Obviously Penguinious you feel that this [i]scrote's[/i], as you call him, life is worthless. And like chewkw you believe he should be 'culled'. But I fail to understand why anyone who clearly attaches so little value to human life, should claim to be particularly concerned with the level of unlawful killings in society.
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For your information :
[i]Manchester Crown Court was told that when the 15-year-old boy was later in secure residential care he said to a member of staff : "I'm not proud of what I've done and everyone will think I'm a monster.
"But no one can ever punish me as much as I punish myself." [/i]
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[i]The court heard that the boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has a mental disorder.[/i]
If a person murdered someone, after blah blah blah lawyers argued this and that including all the technical stuff (mental health, underage whatever - underage murderers is a bit tricky ... off with the head when they reach adulthood?), that indeed the person committed a heinous crime. Guilty as hell as judged.
Then the choice should be as simple as:
1) The person's life is to be expired by the state. As Henry VIII would say "Off with the head!" ... the modern equivalent might be something more humane like lethal injection.
Or
2) Life imprisonment with no parole for 40 years. (in the meantime we can reduce his sentence by several years if the person let the state harvests the person's organs ... Muuwwwhhhaaaaa!)
Obviously not all punishments should automatically be "off with the head!", some rehabilitation might be called for example, starting with the softly softly approach first ... bugger that if they think they are hard enough then put them to hard labour therapy (depending on what they are not all are hard labour), 10 person to a cell, porridge diet - only sufficient to keep them healthy.
If a person re-offends then more rehabilitation therapy - harder labour, smaller cramp cell and more porridge diet.
Some murderers simply do not deserve to be alive to be frank and I am not interested in rehabilitating them.
Go and kill em them. The police won't catch you as you have no direct link to them. What's stopping you?
In a democratic country we vote and I bet one day in future a crime so heinous people will call for a change ...
ernie_lynch, if it was a relative of yours would your viewpoint be the same?
With the overload of media violence we can devolve our ability to be outraged huh?
Why the mention of France? I was talking about different attitudes and how England/English would be outraged if a UK Prime Minister proposed such a ban- it was a parallel comment.
Whats really interesting about all of this is that the hang em and flog brigade steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge that [u]ALL[/u] of the available evidence indicates that what they are suggesting [u]DOESN'T WORK!![/u] Worse than that the evidence is that what they are proposing is likely to lead to a increase in crime NOT a reduction.
****ing unbelievably blinkered and stupid people!!!! Like I said before, insanity : Doing something that doesn't work and then repeat it endlessly expecting a different outcome.
Why would I care if it worked? I want a fitting punishment.
Why would I care if it worked? I want a fitting punishment.
No you don't. You want revenge. Makes you no different from those you want to punish, except you want to hide behind law to make it acceptable.
Why would I care if it worked? I want a fitting punishment.
If you don't give a shit about wider society, which it seems you don't, then why do you care so much about this victim/case?
so you are a murderer like he is then who does not even care that the muder is effective in anything other than the death of a human being
Frankly we need protection from people like you just as much as the person who comitted the original crime...you are both capable of murder
Yeah, we hide behind the same law and Christiandom whilst we passively support the collateral damage (active death of civilians) in foreign countries under the auspices of 'war on terror'?
Oh please. Saying Im not better than the murderer. Really? What should we do? Rehabilitate them? Sorry, theres too much bleating on this thread for my liking.
now where did I put that soapbox...
Hora, so could you elaborate on the reasons why you wish to perpetuate, and in some cases even return to rejected or unsuccessful penal methods?
I'd love to know your rationale beyond the blatantly obvious trolling and your inate red neck tendancies.
Yes clearly I support the war on terror how perceptive as usual
Christiandom [sic] has some rule about not murdering iirc!!
Rehabilitate them? if possible yes if not they DONT release them
How can murder be bad in fact so so bad that the only punishment you can conceive of is murder ?
Two wrongs do not make a right
Something is either wrong or right and who perpetrates the murder is not the issue.
G - they dont care that it does not work they just want to kill someone who kills
Sorry, theres too much bleating on this thread for my liking.
All those nasty people on this thread beating up on me because they disagree with me...You do know this is an Internet forum?
But you hide behind layers/devolve responsibility and the law of the land?
return to rejected or unsuccessful penal methods
They were rejected inpart due to a lot of high profile miscarriages of justice. We are more advanced now. I dont care a jot about deterrent. If you are going to murder someone, chances are your either crackers/bonkers/madder than a box of frogs. I'd want life to mean life or another solution.
Now, how can you troll if your opinion is the opposite to someone elses? I don't agree with the Judo-Christian-leftwing-STW-standard-thinking so that makes me a troll?
Again, if the person was related to you, I wonder if your stance would radically change or you'd think 'good, thats him/her away for 10yrs'..
Sorry, theres too much bleating on this thread for my liking.
By 'bleating' you mean 'thinking', rather than advocating an animalistic urge for revenge.
And wtf is Judo-Christian? A Christian martial art? Tool.
We are more advanced now.
Oh the irony...
LOL at Hora just feel the blood lust
I dont care a jot about deterrent
If you are going to murder someone, chances are your either crackers/bonkers/madder than a box of frogs
There really is a career for you in criminology I beleive the University of Spurious Untested Assertions has an opening for you 😆
Nice Gag Grumm
I had a think about this after attacking TJ earlier.
It's not really about the [i]punishment[/i], it's about the [b]deterrent[/b].
If the only punishment for commiting a murder is to meet the mother of the person you killed (and get a hug)(TJ's earlier link), or a nice comfy bit of rehabiliation, then where is the deterrent??
(edit - just seen Hora's "I don't care a jot"... Thats just silly innit.)
Why is this romantic urge to help a person that kills or murder or in the worst case scenario a repeat offender?
I mean it's simply waste of time to rehabilitate a repeat offender. What is the benefit of that? They go out preaching to the other criminals not to commit crime? When do you think it is appropriate time the person stops? Three times? Four times? Forever?
Increase in crime due to capital punishment? In what sense? So are you saying that in a country has capital punishment people will inevitably go out to commit crime because there is capital punishment? Are you simply attributing more deathly crimes with a country that has capital punishment? How do you associate or narrow down to that single variable? Capital punishment = more murder? What about other variables that can be studied to help reduce crime but retain capital punishment for the worst case. No point rehabilitating some you know if they have the intention to repeat their killing habits.
Are you saying that because of capital punishment crime committed is likely to be murder because the criminals want to silent the victim/witness? What sort of correlation is that? Pluck it out of the sky? No, no ... I bet someone interviews the "potential" killers as part of their data gathering process. Oh hang on ... the researchers with their statistical software. LOL!
G:"Whats really interesting about all of this is that the hang em and flog brigade steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge that ALL of the available evidence indicates that what they are suggesting DOESN'T WORK!! Worse than that the evidence is that what they are proposing is likely to lead to a increase in crime NOT a reduction.****ing unbelievably blinkered and stupid people!!!! Like I said before, insanity : Doing something that doesn't work and then repeat it endlessly expecting a different outcome."
I am not sure where you got the data since capital punishment has been abolished for so long ... bet you are comparing old data ... Time change and like fashion it might work the second time. Care to give it a try for one or two generations? Put it to the voters.
Insanity? Most things have been done long time ago but we still repeat them albeit with improvement or to lesser degree of damage but we keep refining them and yes occasional bad decision which we blame the others. Perhaps the society has it too good for too long that it has forgotten that once capital punishment was the ultimate punishment. So it's time to bring them back.
As our beloved King once said ... "Off with the head!".
If the only punishment for commiting a murder is to meet the mother of the person you killedIs that actually what the scheme in the article was suggesting? Or a Daily Mail headline summary of it? The lad in question had also been sent to prison.
There really is a career for you in criminology I beleive the University of Spurious Untested Assertions has an opening for you
Indeed! After all, on STW all we seem to do is debate at GCSE-level on sociology or another similar level. Its the internet folks. Its one level down from a pub debate after all 😀 🙄