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Spice is a synthetic cannabinoid.
It turns users into virtual zombies.
Ah, cheers.
You must be in a pretty grim position in your life to think "yeah, that's what I want to do."
Cornholio
You cannot show impairment to drive with moderate cannabis use. Coordination, reaction times and motor skills are not affected unlike alcohol. Concentration might be but this is very hard to test as under test conditions subjects concentrate well.
Cannabis is one of the trickiest things to define in terms of effects on the user, impairment, long term damage, etc.
Responsible cannabis usage absolutely does exist, in the same way you can 'responsibly' have a pint with dinner at a restaurant.
I would strongly argue that the law is a bad way to gauge if something is right or wrong. There are many things that were once perfectly legal that we now look back on with disgust and shame, and there are many things that were once illegal that are now seen to be the way forward and progressive (And quite rightly so).
Laws change depending on mainly the zeitgeist at the time. Sometimes, hard evidence is used also. Sadly only rarely.
I'm not a smoker (tobacco or weed) but I fully think we are heading to a future of regulated and legal drug usage. The war on drugs has failed catastrophically and very publicly. I'm not saying we be buying baggies of coke at the supermarket (Tesco Finest would be choice) but I think a model like how the Netherlands operate is probably very likely.
For my experience and I know everyone is different but many years ago if I had a smoke at the weekend I could see a difference in the quality of my work (data analysis at the time so the metrics were easy to see). I was not driving at the time so could not comment on any impact there
One person over a relatively short period does not make a study. If there is any chance of impairment, loss of concentration etc. then you should not be driving. This goes for any medication too.. it’s hard enough to keep drunk drivers and people using phones off he road we don’t need something else in the mix.
OP, If you were genuinely concerned youd have intervened personally.
Asking the internet if you should call 999? Wow.. just wow.
I think a model like how the Netherlands operate is probably very likely.
Hopefully it it also brings the trains and bikes along with it
Just as a sidenote a good friend of mine got stopped by a traffic police car as he left his street for work in the morning after just lighting a large reefer. The policeman hit him with one of the new roadside tests which he failed.
Now get this.. he let my mate get back in his van and go to work.
Blew my mind.
He was later banned for 12 months.
It turns users into virtual zombies.
This is true, although they tend to be more aggressive, less reasonable, and thankfully, less coordinated than zonmbies when approached. Properly unpleasant stuff.
You must be in a pretty grim position in your life to think “yeah, that’s what I want to do.”
Ain’t that the truth. 😳
To be clear I am in favour of limits for drugs and driving. It's just I believe that the current limit for cannabis is much too low ( the equivalent of half a pint 24 hours before)
I just want drug policy to be evidence based
The Dutch model has its issues. It's effectively untaxed and profits remain in the hands of organised crime
I would have a regulated market for cannabis and ecstacy like alcohol. It will be interesting to see how colorado works out. This is what is happening there with huge sums raised in tax ( cannabis only in colorado)
Heroin decriminalised and treated as a health care issue (the Portuguese model which has been a great success)
Cocaine remain illegal with tough enforcement and penalties similar treatment of spice and so on
Spice. Now that’s another level all together. Nightmare drug to deal with.
OP, If you were genuinely concerned youd have intervened personally.
Asking the internet if you should call 999? Wow.. just wow
I didn't ask the internet. I asked a friend who is a police inspector.
Intervened personally?
What like drag him from the car and kneel on his chest while dialing?
You're a bit of a nobber.
This is my experience of a regular cannabis user I have 21 year old lad and his girlfriend living next door to me we are in old terraced houses which are very close to each other, they are regular drug users and our house and garden regularly stink of drugs but that's not the worst of it on bad days when there very much high they have blazing violent arguments which leave my daughter in tears police have been out many times but do very little but tell them to shut up and the council say there's nothing they can do as it's a private dwelling as its the lads mother's house who has moved out to a rented house as she can't deal with it and refuses to help. I was quite relaxed about drug use before this but the effect its had on us is devastating and we can't even sell up as who in there right mind would buy our house maybe we need to look past the rights of the drug users and see the effects it has on the people who have to live with fall out
I'm conflicted.....
chrisylad24, Jeez bud, that sounds truly horrendous. Can’t help but think that that’s a dick problem more than simply a drug problem though; blaming drugs for that behaviour is letting them of the hook to much. What a nightmare 😣
V8 it's devastating my only hope is they move out but can't see that happening I have lived next to this family and watched it implode due to drug and alcohol misuse and its bizzare as when he was a boy he was fine then he got into drugs and its turned him into a monster no just a dick it's like he has been taken over and his girlfriend friend is heavy user and could really do with help as after conversations with the police she thinks domestic violence is the norm
Knee on belly would work better. It provokes a less manic attempt at escape as its more comfy for the guy on bottom.
You should really ask yourself why you feel ruining somebody elses day might brighten your own.
You can be happy but this isnt the way.
Good luck derek x
Why am I getting grief?
stoner apologists/ enablers.
they are everywhere, usually found in jobs that require little thought and life situations with few or no responsibilities. Their mental horizons are usually fixed in a particular time period of when they first became a stoner, so for example they still listen to The Levellers or Carter USM.
There is a link with cannabis use and mental health but causality is not only not proven but is not accepted by many in the medical profession
Yup. As pointed out the evidence is that it may exacerbate a mental health condition, much like other substances, however the cannabis that does is the ones such as skunk. Users of better quality cannabis suffer very few effects.
Nice generalisation MrSmith - top work
dirk_pumpa - I don't actually understand what you're getting at.
The day of the op was ruined by continual stench of smoking weed which pervades his garden and gets in through the windows. It's summer so some of us would like to sit outside our own properties and enjoy some peace and quiet after a hard week at work.
I am fully with him about the concerns he has for the driver having a car full of his family. Not only could this individual injure or kill them, it could also involve other bystanders.
Every morning our neighbour smokes weed in her garden and out of her child's bedroom window, she then drives the short distance to school, with child and baby in the car.
I work from home so have to put up with the stench most of the day. As a cyclist (she is a dreadful driver) I am concerned about the day she may hit myself or some other road user who isn't contained in a giant metal box.
Mr Smith, that life scenario sounds great, sign me up! All the more time for cycling!