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Blair is top of the list.
I think that whilst Blair acted badly and cocked up severely, he was not as guilty as people like to portray him now.Thatcher on the other hand....
This.
All the "Blair is evil personified" crap above is simplistic nonsense.
All the "Blair is evil personified" crap above is simplistic nonsense.
Well it is simplistic, that is true, however I simply don't have time to explain all the reasons why I despise him.
David Starkey is a recent historian I can't stand.
^^ Niall Ferguson
blair
prescott
cameron
piers morgan
Nigel Farage, I don't agree with him, but worse than that he doesn't believe half the BS he spouts, but he's a master of tapping into insecurities and making sound bites out of it.
Katie Hopkins, the latest in a long line of professional trolls.
Paul Dacre for making money playing on the fears of the stupid and confirming those fears, they're making Britain a worse place for money.
Blair for many of the reasons given above. Having followed this closely at the time, and subsequently I believe he made a promise to Bush and then manipulated the facts AND parliament to get agreement for us to send in troops.
He should be in court, but sadly probably never will.
Bush only wanted to go into Iraq as a personal vendetta against Saddam, it had nothing to do with national security or 911.
Eric Pickles... messed up Bradford, now messing up the country.
Fuller ones with a full compliment of baggage that don't get charged for excess overall weight by airlines.
There, said it.
Kezia dugdale must be the most negative politician I've ever witnessed, Scottish labour must really be plumbing the depths if she is the best option. Smith and Dewar must be turning in their graves.
Blair
Blair, for either his utter stupidity or evil. The consequences of both are enough to condemn him regardless of motivation.
Too young to vote for Thatcher, the 80s proved a joyous decade for me of cycling and general playing with a healthy dose of motorbikes and trespassing amongst field and river of rural Norfolk.
Bush, for the same reasoning as Blair.
Cameron. I'm leaving the door open for him being a clueless moron.
Anyone involved in the leading edge propaganda fest that was last years independence referendum. On both sides! Just for a good dose of hyprocasy, I freely admit there'll be some collateral damage involved. Ho hum.
Boris.
Gove.
Portillo, Widdecome, Neil & Christine Hamilton and every other Tory arrogant enough to think that they will ever be forgiven.
And all of the above.
Katie hopkins
Camila Batmanghelidjh
IDS
Gove
Anna Soubry
Maggie T
Simon Cowell
Rupert murdoch
Alex Salmon
J Bieber
Good call on Robert Murdoch.
Mary Berry
Paul Hollywood
Cristiano Ronaldo
They boil my piss
Paul Dacre for making money playing on the fears of the stupid and confirming those fears, they're making Britain a worse place for money.
Hear hear.
First up against the wall.
Paul Weller for leaving The Jam
Paul Weller for forming The Style Council
Randy Lerner for destroying the Villa
Tony Blair showed the Labour Party what it takes to win elections. Any candidate with a remote chance of being Labour leader at the time would have done the same going into Iraq. A more leftist leader would not have been elected PM so their opposition would have been purely academic
Hate is a negative energy sapping emotion.
Personally I thank Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon for totally mismanaging the Referendum ensuring a No vote and then the icing on the cake was to deliver a majority Conservative government. I thank Corbyn for the work he is doing to ensure a left wing agenda is discredited and removed from our political landscape for the next 20 years.
Blair & Bush.
Special place in hell reserved for:
Keith Vaz
Tony Blair
Piers Morgan
Those twunks that crawl out from under their stone every time innocent people are killed proclaiming it's a conspiracy and it's all faked
Bush and Blair for getting us in this state in the first place
ISIS
Anyone who he th phrase "collateral damage" when they mean "school blown the crap out of"
Kay Burley
Anyone who needs to "go pro" with their toothpaste
Dr Fox (still don't think he's a real doctor)
The person who thought that Britain needs black ****ing Friday.
The person who thought that Britain needs black **** Friday.
...looking at the papers this morning it seems Britain has decided it doesn't need black Friday!
...looking at the papers this morning it seems Britain has decided it doesn't need black Friday!
Thank God for that.
I flipping HATE the very idea that we should have a day dedicated to animalistic consumption following a foreign holiday dedicated to remembering how fortunate people are for having anything at all.
Utterly sick.
Fortunately, [url= http://www.buynothingday.co.uk/ ]there is an alternative[/url].
No he doesn't. Blair knew exactly what he was doing, Cameron OTOH, doesn't have a blind clue.
That's what made Blair cool though, he was an evil Machiavellian bastard. I quite liked that about him, I mean....Britain was cool in the late nineties and early 2000's...we had Britpop....illegal wars....Peter ****ing Mandleson....it was all so Rock N Roll.
Now we have..... Dave, Jeremy Corbyn and Mumford and Sons.
Oh OK then, let's go for everyone that says this:
jambalaya - MemberTony Blair showed the Labour Party what it takes to win elections.
Utter bullshit. A lot of people genuinely believe it, though it took a lot of them a while to make it stick in their heads. I doubt Jamba does though you never know. Blair inherited a winning hand from John Smith (and John Major, to be fair) who inherited a changed party from Kinnock. Smith wouldn't have won Blair's landslide but there's little doubt he'd have won.
And this brings me nicely back to Blair... Because lying to Parliament and the public to get his war, that's obviously pretty bad. And despite those lies, still not being able to convince the public so just going to war anyway against public opinion, that's obviously pretty bad too. But you can say, he thought it was necessary, he did what he had to do to get the job done. History's shown just how terrible an idea it was but he at least thought it was right.
But it's the mythmaking that I really dislike, that's insidious. Blair achieved a great deal but it's not enough for him and his cultists to have won 3 elections. So, the creation myth, "He made Labour electable". And not for any good reason, but just because he wasn't happy just to be prime minister- he had to be the party's messiah.
And that myth has 2 great casualties. One, the legacy of John Smith, a man the party should remember and respect and learn from. Because if there's anything they could do with now it's another John Smith.
And 2, the identity of the party itself- its understanding of what it is and what it's for and where it comes from. Because even now that the koolaid is wearing off and many are denouncing the cult, the creation myth is still strong, and rooted in so many people's conscience is "new labour made us electable". So even while trying to get away from Blairism they're still afraid to try anything too different. Fundamentally every decision they make is on bad foundations.
So many of the problems the party has today come from Blair, and it's not just political aftermath but the impact of his leadership. Frexample, Blair's cult of personality didn't like competition and strong figures and couldn't tolerate dissent, which helped create the current vacuum at the top. And he didn't just fail to plan for succession, he's actively undermined his successors.
Part of me wonders if that's part of the mythology too. Maybe it wasn't just enough to be The Man Who Made Labour Electable, he also wanted to make it harder for other people to follow him, so that he could be the only Labour PM in town.
John Smith. Maybe the best Prime Minister we didn't have.
Because even now that the koolaid is wearing off and many are denouncing the cult
No they're not - they are simply replacing one cult (sic) figurehead with another - as I said on the other thread, the party, both its members and its machinery, remain inseparably wedded to the cult of personality.
Probably true actually for a lot of them, good point. Though I think it's hard to argue that Miliband was leading a cult of personality.
Richard Hammond (probably history's most evil monster, and he's not even a real hamster)
NW, I think that we could agree that the Soviet Union had a few other leaders who wouldn't qualify as cult (sic) figureheads - though perhaps you could argue that it was the eventual loss of the cult that lead to the whole edifice subsequently falling down, and it's recent revival that has been so popular... (In all seriousness, Khrushchev's denouncement of Stalin/cult of personality is a remarkable speech, and a fascinating insight into political psychology, well worth reading)
Im surprised so few are saying Rupert Murdoch; Thatcher, Blair, Cameron et al were enabled by him, sun owner that wilfully wrongly accused Liverpool supporters of horrendous acts but still takes no responsibility and hacking a dead girls phone.. now has grabbed the national geographic to reduce its support to climate change scientists..
Horrible man
fair point we should have name checked him
Bob Monkhouse. It always cheers me up when I remember that he's dead.
err I have 2 Murdoch and Thatcher in my previous post.. I'll raise you Bernie Ecclestone along with the horrible little man
Blair
Murdoch
Trump
Piers Moron
Netanyahu
Simon Cowell
Peter ****ing Andre.
Complete and utter waste of skin. Even the thought of him makes my teeth itch. He'd be first in the lion compound at Longleat at feeding time.
Thatcher.
The cold hearted bitch.
That fella on Facebook that just posted about the event the media won't tell you about.
Despite it being all over the ****ing media.
In this case it was even in the ****ing Express.
Oh, and good shout with that poisonous Murdoch scumbag.
Good reminder about the Satan that is Murdoch!
Peter **** Andre.
I worked with Peter Andre a couple of years back and found that he's actually a surprisingly nice bloke!
Russell Howard. About as funny as a brake fluid enema.