Such gracious losers 😯
Source?
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However, the governing body does not need a protest from Ferrari to investigate further. In fact, its own rules appear to oblige it to do so.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638
Video at the top of that page supposedly shows him overtaking on yellows. If your not allowed to overtake until you've passed a green light there may be something in it.
Vettel passed a Torro Rosso under yellows so will retrospectively be given a post race 20sec penalty meaning Alonso would win title by 1pt, caught on his on board camera footage. Will be bad news for F1 if Vettel does have title taken away... Does this also mean Red Bull could retrospectively withdraw Webber to allow Vettel to gain the place back? Either way it's going to get farcical if thats how Ferrari want to play it... 🙁
Definitely overtook before the green light, judging by that clip.
Jasper Fforde writes of an alternative Swindon, in which croquet is the mass spectator sport. Sort of full contact sport with garden ornaments.
Lawyers are an integral part of the team, with Substitute Lawyers on the bench as well.
That's meant to be an alternative, comical universe. Not the real world.
Yet another reason to see F1 as more of a travelling circus cum farce than a sport.
That's a new piece of footage, the one people were arguing over was the overtake on kobayashi, which was also crystal clear from the in car video.
So potentially 2 penalties
But rules are rules and Vettel knows what they are.
Surely, after a title has been won, you can't take it away based on evidence of cheating that only comes to light after the event?
Oh - I forgot. This is a cycling forum. 🙄
Anyone with even a passing interest in motorsport knows about yellow flags
Should this not have been something that was dealt with at the time?
Sorry, good as Alonso is, with him as lead driver and track record of dodgy situations, its completely understandable.
Ungracious loosers indeed.
Alonso when driving for Ron denis was found in posession of data belonging to Ferrari, then tried to bribe Ron Dennis. This cost McLaren £100m plus penalties.
Alonso's employer Renault was exposed as having deliberately 'fixed' the result of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, by instructing Nelsinho Piquet to crash out to necessitate a safety car period which played into his favour. This also forced Massa who was leading the championship into the pits where refulling mysteriously went badly and this cost him the championship.
Alsonso, great driver he may be, shame the same excellence doesn't show in the strategy behind the scenes. Spoiled brat.
Yet another reason to see F1 as more of a travelling circus cum farce than a sport.
Because they don't allow rules to be broken and titles given to the wrong person?
Should this not have been something that was dealt with at the time?
No, I believe righting a wrong can take years.
Surely, after a title has been won, you can't take it away based on evidence of cheating that only comes to light after the event?Oh - I forgot. This is a cycling forum.
LOL
Lance lost his titles for breaking the rules....
...travelling circus cum farce...
I think I've got that DVD.
Does the green light not mean it is OK to start overtaking again, rather than "you can't overtake until you have passed this particular light"? Surely it would have to be the same time for everyone, regardless of where you are on the track.
Yeah 😀
Talk about bitter taste in the mouth if that goes ahead. One team robbed (?) by the rules in favour of one who bent them beyond what should (but isnt) deemed acceptable.
Alonso - would be a tainted champion, which given his ability, is a sad thing to say.
No, the yellow flag applies to specific sections of track
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Alonso - would be a tainted champion, which given his ability, is a sad thing to say.
Better not to have a champion at all then?
The green light is effectively an invisible line across the track and you are not allowed to start overtaking until you have passed over this line.
There can be several yellow and green flag sections of track at any one time. It's a drivers job to know where these are and act accordingly. They even have lights on the steering wheel that are activated in these zones so that they don't necessarily have to be looking at the boards as they pass them.
From the FIA:
b) Yellow flag:This is a signal of danger and should be shown to drivers in two ways with the following meanings:
- Single waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction. There is a hazard beside or partly on the track.
- Double waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track.
Yellow flags should normally be shown only at the marshals’ post immediately preceding the hazard.
In some cases however the Clerk of the Course may order them to be shown at more than one marshals’ post preceding an incident.
[b] Overtaking is not permitted between the first yellow flag and the green flag displayed after the incident.[/b]
Yellow flags should not be shown in the pit lane unless there is an incident of which the driver should be made aware.
This also applies to lights when substituted for flags.
You can see from this gif a green flag was being waved prior to the overtake.
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Well said Jamesy. Vettel should have known th crack. Still cant believe his car kept going after turn 4 like!
You can see from this gif a green flag was being waved prior to the overtake.
Where?
On the left hand side
In the little tent to the left. Case closed.
If its that clear cut, then why all the fuss?
Oh. 😐
Desperation?
The lights are yellow and the yellow warning light is on his steering wheel, they supercede the waved flags
Maybe my colour perception is worse than yours but personally I have no idea whatsoever what colour that flag is.
[quote=TheFunkyMonkey ]The lights are yellow and the yellow warning light is on his steering wheel, they supercede the waved flags
No they don't.
Alonso has been the best driver this year and has flattered the Ferrari at times. Vettel has got lucky a few times and has clearly had the best package/team. Maybe his luck just ran out.
Flags supersede lights but as lemonysam says the colour of the flag is debatable.
Watch from 10 minutes on to see the incident.
IIRC the only flags that should be waved are yellows (be prepared to slow or even stop) and the chequered flag (signalling the end of the race). The rest should be stationary so a driver can tell the colour.
Flags supersede lights but as lemonysam says the colour of the flag is debatable.
No they don't: They are there to supplement each other. The colour of flag is in doubt, but one thing that is clear is that it isn't a yellow flag, ergo rationale suggests that it must be a green.
ergo rationale suggests that it must be a green.
Or black.
Lights are issued from race control and will be correct. Flags have an added element of dopey Marshall
Or blue
Warns a driver that he is about to be lapped and to let the faster car overtake. Pass three blue flags without complying and the driver risks being penalised. Blue lights are also displayed at the end of the pit lane when the pit exit is open and a car on track is approaching.
Edit: I know it says light but it could also mean flag...perhaps
