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'Must be her "unclean" time of the month' and 'she's a bit sensitive and So take some evening primrose and MTFU' - I think these are more offensive!
Thanks for making me thing about this - though I'm prompted to wonder why you mentioned your own sex or orientation. My first thought was to ask a gay person - however, I don't know any - which led me on to thinking, given that supposedly something like 10% of people have gay leanings, either there are whole gay cities I know nothing of, or most choose to conceal it - which reflects the general prejudice I guess 🙁
[i]"xc-jeyboy" originated as a misspelled dig at XC riders on (I think) MBUK's forum[/i]
The thing is though Chipps, it is difficult to deny that the digs at XC riders, and at roadies, basically boil down to the suggestion that those people in some way [u]are[/u] homosexual and deserve to be treated as such i.e. with mockery.
There is a (perfectly good natured no doubt) thread on by a chap describing his conversion to road riding as though he were coming out as a homosexual. It's not meant harmfully I'm sure, but it's [i]interesting[/i] that we are totally comfortable with this way of looking at these issues. Try phrasing that sort of joke in terms of "how should I tell my parents that my new lover is black". 🙂
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given that supposedly something like 10% of people have gay leanings, either there are whole gay cities I know nothing of, or most choose to conceal it - which reflects the general prejudice I guess
Or you only know 8 other people....
I dunno, I am guilty of using gay (for which jey is surely just a sly substitute) as a derogatory term. I really don't think I have any negative feelings towards gay people though I suppose it is related to stereotypes of gay people as being wimpy and effeminate.
There is a gay guy I sometimes work with who does find it quite offensive and it's fair enough really - he is not a fan of Chris Moyles!
Can I point out that everyone was a so called "jey" boy when mtbing began.
If it wasn't for these "jeys" who started it off we wouldn't be talking on this forum...we may mock them ,as i'am think wearing lyrcra is fine and tbh most people who wear baggies are trying to cover up rolls of or are the young super fit type who think the skater look is still in...
well as always i digress to say retro as with all things is cool....
skinny jeans and pointy shoes??? its the same with the oringinal lycra clad message,Except thankfully the colour have been toned down abit.
Lycra is cool in both sense of the word,practical and shows you are a proper cyclist,lycra is still cooler than baggys so don't mock anyone about it .
anyway hope it doesn't issult the "baggy trousers crew" 😆
Bruce
a 16year old in lycra.. 8)
Oh dear. Sweety, I'm sure your heart's in the right place, but gay/lesbian folks have proved to be perfectly capable of fighting their own battles and standing up for themselves for many years now. All you're doing is coming across as patronizing and condecending, and if I was gay I'd be bloody offended at some snippy straight bint trying to score points on my behalf. I respectfully suggest you go and find some real injustice to get offended about.
[i]it is related to stereotypes of gay people as being wimpy and effeminate[/i]
Nail. Head. 🙂
Or you only know 8 other people....
LOL!
Indeed. I'll bet you do know a gay person, but you just don't know they're gay. And you've never realised because it's not an issue.
Countzero that implies for example, I would not be allowed to be offended at racist joke because I am white.
he is not a fan of Chris Moyles!
Is this to do with the fact that Chris Moyles is a homophobe, or the fact that he's a charm-deficient oaf with a face like a giant uncooked pork scratching?
Offence by proxy - It's all the rage these days
Moyles' homophobia is just one facet of his oafish charm-deficiency. 🙂
Is this to do with the fact that Chris Moyles is a homophobe, or the fact that he's a charm-deficient oaf with a face like a giant uncooked pork scratching?
Am I allowed to laugh at that? Is it not offensive?
I do like a bit of pork though... Mmmmmmmmm
You've got it all wrong with the 'jey' thing - nothing to do with sexuality.
The 'gay' thing is just boys being very childish boys. My 11 year old son calls things 'gay', which I find annoying, but he is a child and I'm trying to teach him that there is nothing wrong with being gay. I'm not offended by it though, I just find it immature for grown men to use the word gay to describe something they dislike.
The funny thing is the oft used phrase of 'that is so gay' sounds so camp.
'Is this to do with the fact that Chris Moyles is a homophobe, or the fact that he's a charm-deficient oaf with a face like a giant uncooked pork scratching?'
Bit of both I think.
OP - it's not worth it. Like you I live in a world where people mostly don't seem to talk like this, but this is STW. Just sit back and sigh, I do. Some of them are actually ok...
Bit if balance. I commented yesterday on a thread with religion-with the CofE saying they'll debate allowing gays into the clergy. Miffed me to no end that bigotry in religion hurts Christians who also happen to be gay. Who says the Priests actually do talk to God (dispicable beasts).
OP- it tends to be a 'male' and people egg each other on with abit of controversy. STW mods would ban people in an instant if they believed any posts were intent/malicious.
BTW- Valentines day 2008, me and my girlfriend ate in Eden on Canal St Manchester. Its a gay restaurant.
I'll still royally take the mick etc etc- as long as I know its joking just as I dont mind being called a Polish Plumber or 'Bosnian Warchild' (my nickname at college).
anyway
jey is for offroad
ghey is for the real deviants - roadies.
and if you take it up the wrong un, you should be on mlehworld where moob rubs and dinkles out cuddles are the way forward.
love ya all, soobalias (some of my best friends are queer ****s)
The funny thing is the oft used phrase of 'that is so gay' sounds so camp. "mostly said by my camp (and gay) friend!
so where are these posts - other than the coming out one?
No, I've read that first para twice and it still makes no sense.
Oh come on every one knows that calling someone gay or a gayer when it's because they're a pants rider or whimp out at something or just dress odd is in no way said in a manner that offends.
So ok it might be just my opinion, but it's use in our way and many others has taken a clear and different path to the one you suggest.
It simply is'nt offensive for me to call my mate who isn't gay BTW a gayer when he walks down a drop off for example in the same way it wouldn't be offensive to blind people if I shouted out 'are you blind' when he crashed off the drop that he didn't see.
And in a way our use of the word gay is third hand, so calling someone gay because they like to dress in purple lycra is more in line with it's true meaning.
Yet another gay cyclist thread,where are you all hideing in the bushes,sadly there is still a lot of fear and hatred towards people of alternative sexuality, despite what some straight people think, ive worked for gay people and sometimes one has to be discreet about what one says.
One case comes to mind, when i left a note for a gay couple,and put on it i called round today,knocked on the door and thought you and your boyfreind where out so ill come back tomorrow to pickup the keys.
A heated responce that night, saying they where not out, and didnt want workmen saying they where out, when i tried to explain they didnt answer the door, so i presumed they where out, as opposed to being in the house,the penny droped, followed by a groveling apology.
So if youre not in the house , your`e not out, but away,and if youre out, you may be out about your sexuality,and out of the house.
But if it's meant in a derogatory way then surely it is offensive? Implying that being gay is bad?
A student described another student's work as gay in a seminar i was teaching. I got him to stand in from of the class and explain how a diagram can be gay - perhaps it is only sexually attracted to other models of the water cycle, or it has a penchant for GIS maps... he's a reformed character now.
This thread is ace.
Binners will be along shortly with his riding corset. He'll sort you all out 😮
gay means happy..............no??
it has a penchant for GIS
Try saying that out loud, with a soft "g". 😆
Sorry. 😳
the lesbian on my thursday night ride calls blokes gay if they bottle something, or try to bail from the pub early.
i will tell her its offensive tonight
project so are you saying you can't use the word 'out' to a gay person?
If the OP feels so strongly, why aren't they chipping in with some more thoughts?
Unless it's trolling of the highest order 😉
most people who wear baggies are trying to cover up rolls of or are the young super fit type who think the skater look is still in...
Lycra is cool in both sense of the word,practical and shows you are a proper cyclist,lycra is still cooler than baggys so don't mock anyone about it .
Confirmed gaylord
EDIT: It seems I have just inadvertantly questioned a 16 year old boy's sexuality. Does that make me a nonce or a closet gaylord?
Wheres Adam W, the token Gay,on the Forum
mrsflash, no one is implying that being gay is bad, merely mistaken.
In cyclinguist terms.
Lol @ "Token"
Oh dear. Sweety, I'm sure your heart's in the right place, but ........ All you're doing is coming across as patronizing and condecending,
LOL ! Excellent CountZero !
You will never stop lively banter
Yeah, but this is what *all* bigots, misogynists and ****wits always say about abusive and derogatory language: "fackin'ell, darlin/midnight/spacker/whatever, can't you take a fackin joke, it's just a laff, innit? Jesus, they're so fackin touchy, aren't they?". It's hardly a convincing argument.
Fwiw, I tend to see "jey" as actually rather anti-homophobic because it ridicules the childishness of homophobes' attitudes, whereas "gay" (meaning pathetic) is just tedious and annoying. I mean, Chris Moyles says it. How naff must it be?
TBH I've never once seen Jey as meaning gay. That last people I knew that used the term "gay" in a derogatory sense were 16, fortunately. Maybe I only mix with sensible people?
Anyway, gay was a good thing until the homosexuals took it. [url=
I'm takin it back[/url]!
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[i](I'm not easily offended but Homophobic stereotyping moronic comments like yours will be removed)[/i]
As one of the few girlies on STW, I would say that the forum has become a much nicer place. There is less angst and fortunately the "back doors" comments have disappeared as those were quite offensive.
If one uses a forum then one needs to lighten up. I have met a whole load of really nice folk from here, you just have to accept that there will always be light-hearted banter.
IMG3.IMAGESHACK.US We went through this a couple of months back and the response was a bit more reasoned.. We seem to have regressed..
[url] http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-it-ok-to-use-the-word-gay-to-mean-something-rubbish [/url]
Here is my highlight from that thread..
As someone with a bit of experience in this area - i.e. being gay myself:Yes words change. In the gay 'world' (for want of a better phrase) terms like poof, queer, gay etc. all mean slightly different things. Queer is usually someone quite political (e.g. Tatchell), poof is more of a knockabout term meaning quite camp and 'gay' is a generic noun for people of my sexuality.
Now to start getting peoples hackles up. My partner (unfortunately now redundant) used to work in an office where *every*day* X would be 'gay', Y would be 'gay', Z would be 'gay'. CONSTANTLY. He was scared *SH!TLESS* to come out as he thought he would lose his job. Yes I know it is now illegal but we know if a company wants you out, they'll kick you out somehow. This is right for stupid people is it? "We can use the 19th century version of this if we like hahaha, it doesn't matter.' Grow up, you're acting like Alf Garnett.
Secondly if you want to know if a word is offensive to anyone, choose another word in its place. Anything, for example, christian, muslim, black, indian, londoner, welsh, scots, irish, whatever. If you think that someone might get pissed off you comparing them to being rubbish all the while and would therefore consider you to have something against them perhaps they have a point.
But then again, people who say things like this wouldn't like it to be used against them, would they?
Yes it is minor, yes Chris Moyles acted soft (but then again he is a complete idiot and totally unfunny) and I can't be asked about that slip-up but if someone says "Hold on a sec, please don't do that, it ain't nice" and all someone can do is continue and use any old jaded arguments about what words used to mean then you're not really a thoughtful decent person then, aren't you?
And yes, if people start on the forums shouting that something is 'so gay' meaning rubbish, I'll be around to challenge. I'm not rubbish. I'm <stereotypical> fabulous </stereotypical>
Yet another post re: gay. Make way for someone who gets a lot of abuse regarding this...
To be honest I see these threads popping up now and then and I see the point of the OP with the following:
1. To those t*ssers who answer people with "This thread is gay!" - seriously - grow up. You sound like a fat spotty 14 year old boy who lives his life in his bedroom doing nothing but w*nking over page three girls. And has a bike that costs £5k but can't use it.
2. To those idiots to say "Ah yes, but we've cunningly mis-spelled the word so it no longer says 'gay' so we can make whatever we want out of it, nudge, nudge, wink, wink'. 'Ghey'. 'Jay'. Get real. You sound like someone who is six months older than the person in (1). With less charisma.
I still don't understand why people keep saying things are 'gay' in a negative way. They seem to think it is a bad thing. I can assure you that it isn't. Wouldn't be any other way. You get dress sense*, an uncanny ability with soft furnishings* and - most important this - I can get away with things with my female companions that straight men would die for**. Talk about boobs? No problem. Talk about sex? No problem.
Seriously - why would you think that being gay was negative?
* - may not be 100% true
** - is very definitely 100% true
Put it this way, a gay couple who live across the road from me - would I use the term 'gay' in their presence to describe something feeble or not very good, no I certainly wouldn't. If my son did then I would be deeply embarrassed. I honestly don't think it's acceptable.
As for gay people saying it, well that's the whole '****' thing - inclusion/exclusion and all that.