[Closed] Fecking teenagers!

they are only kids, start on the little finger, one knuckle at a time as a progressive punishment, we are civilised FFS!!!

The problem is that there is nothing in place to put these kids back in line. What I mean is, look at the animal kingdom, if any one animal steps out of line they are put straight back in there place by the others. It works well in packs of dogs, the dog whisperer said so. Therefore it would seem that to put these kids back on the right path and respect adults and others they will need a good whack now and then. This of course needs to be enforced. I am only 24 and I find that teenagers are far too cocky and need a good slap.

I would never dream of being that rude to people when I was in my teens as if they told my parents I would have been battered! and rightly so.

Yeah we should look to the animal kingdom for lessons on modern society. Perhaps we should start eating our young like Lions do?

Or, why don't we make them all feel fear of imminent violence before they do anything? You know, just by making them flinch when we pass, and glaring at them in the street and such like. They'd all behave then.

No one is advocating that and the poster is a parent who has a right to live a quiet life. You are inferring that people are suggesting indiscriminate violence on innocent children. This is not the case.
I have been threatened by kids in the past. I am over 6ft and pretty fit and strong.
It was more humiliating than frightening as they were younger and smaller however there were several of them.
I walked away but was tempted to get any one/two of them alone and teach them a lesson in the time honored tradition and in a language they understand.

Hmmm.. in that case Juan is ok to kill the offspring of his new girlfriend as they are the progeny of another male - problem solved Juan!

To be honest where I grew up in the valleys if you chopsed off at some one or were out of order you got a smack, it might be brutal but it worked bloody well.

get down the college asap. Speak to the principal or someone else on the senior management team about your concerns. If you get fobbed off go to the police and the press. All companies have a soci-environmental responsibity to their neighbours which includes schools and colleges. I know this cos I work in a large HE/FE college and have had dealings with local residents and the police on just such issues.

Surfer, are you suggesting threatening kids with meat cleavers (for some unspecified crime) is the way to go then?

I found one of the buggers alone and told him the kind of things that can happen to him if he ever 'causes these problems'.i.e. I'll chop his **** head off,and reminded him he has to walk to school alone.

What a marvellous society we live in. I'd be more worried about this nutter roaming the streets than some slightly naughty child.

[i]Perhaps we should start eating our young like Lions do? [/i]

No, that would be gross. However, if everyone who was a ghastly little turd got shot with a tazer within about 6 seconds of being ghastly, and then the reasons why this action was taken were explained to him and a swift test administered to check that he understood we would be living in a better world.

Felon: "I'm going to kick your baby"
Politeness Enforcer: "Tazertazertazer"
zzzzapppp
Felon: Aaaaaaaaarrrrghhhhhhhh!!!!!! Noooooooo!!!!!! Arrggghhhhhhhhh.
Politeness Enforcer: "That happened because you said you were going to kick that woman's baby, and that is a cretinous, pathetic and spiteful thing to say, for which you had to be punished. Do you understand?"
Felon: "Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I will be good"
Politeness enforcer: "I am glad to hear it. Now go on your way. And if you are tempted to be rude to anyone else today, remember just how much being hit with 20,000volts for 5 seconds hurt. Oh, and you've soiled yourself, go home and change"

I still remember walking along the canal in Stalybridge and a stone whizzed over and landed next to my dog. I turned round and on a bridge was a number of hooded kids. I wasnt having it soo went up to have a go. Up infront of them 'I said why did you throw a stone at my dog'? One kid steps fwd and says 'that was me, it was a really stupid thing to do and I am sorry'. I was like a Goldfish, stammered something like 'ok' open-mouthed I turned round and walked off. 😆

Grumm. I think you are confusing me with somebody else.

Was talking about this

You are inferring that people are suggesting indiscriminate violence on innocent children.

you said in relation to duntmatter's post.

I would say that is pretty much what people like dyna-ti are suggesting.

I dont accept that.
I didnt read dyna-ti's post closely but was generalising. The tone of most posts is a reaction to those perpetrators specifically. Even after I have read his post you are wrong.
I dont read it as indiscriminate violence but violence in response to an act.
I would never suggest using a meat cleaver so dont put words into my mouth.

grumm if you work with "yoofs" then maybe your wet liberal way of dealing with them is partly to blame for the current trend? Ever thought about that?

Ooh! Juicy!

Cuppa, anyone? Fraid there's only Bourbons and Digestives left.

grumm if you work with "yoofs" then maybe your wet liberal way of dealing with them is partly to blame for the current trend? Ever thought about that?

Yeah it's my fault, I take it all back, let's make our society more like South Africa, or the animal kingdom, that's the kind of place I want to live.

It's nothing to do with a growing underclass and the decline of a genuine working class, benefits culture, the breakdown of family life, teenage pregnancy, it's because liberal pussies like me don't hit kids often enough.

I actually think it's important to give young people clear boundaries, and think they should be dealt with firmly by police etc - just not in the kind of ****ty violent fantasy was most of the people in this thread seem to be advocating.

An entire generation of feral animals, this country is doooooomed

grumm if you work with "yoofs" then maybe your wet liberal way of dealing with them is partly to blame for the current trend? Ever thought about that?

And have [b]you[/b] ever thought that [b]your[/b] attitude as displayed in your first quote might just have something to do with the majority of well meaning teenagers feeling disenfranchised and demonised.

Try showing some respect to people and you'll probably get it in return.

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Respect? Pah. TASERTASERTASER!

Poor kids - they've nothing to do, there's nothing for them round there, blah blah blah!

For proper re-education you need one of these:

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and one of these:

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Screwfix is also doing terrific offers on cordless drills for ideal for knee capping

Thanks for clarifying, I didn't think you'd roll over so easily

EDIT: Trailmonkey, wtf do I have to try and understand it from their point of view ffs. You're too soppy for your own good

One thing that most people fail to realise is that a reason why standards of behaviour are *apparently declining is that we have a much more liberal, free society than we have ever had in the past, which is generally a really good thing.

I don't think there are many people on here who would actually like to go back to the 1950s or Victorian society, where people better 'knew their place' and would never dare speak out of turn.

Every generation claims, 'ooh things are worse now than they were x years ago', 'people nowadays don't know how to behave' - it seems to be human nature.

And have you ever thought that your attitude as displayed in your first quote might just have something to do with the majority of well meaning teenagers feeling disenfranchised and demonised.

Try showing some respect to people and you'll probably get it in return.

Wow some common sense and decency in this thread. Nice one.

Er no grumm, things really are a lot worse now than even 5 years back let alone a generation ago

EDIT: Trailmonkey, wtf do I have to try and understand it from their point of view ffs. You're too soppy for your own good

Who said anything about understanding anyones point of view ? I said show some respect. If you can't be bothered to even read the posts properly and just make your opinions based on what you think people are saying or doing, then it's no wonder that you're so clueless in your approach to the problem in hand.

Er no grumm, things really are a lot worse now than even 5 years back let alone a generation ago

Based on what? Your own generalized impressions and reading tabloid newspapers?

Try reading Folk Devils and Moral Panics about the deviancy amplification spiral:

According to theory, the spiral starts with some "deviant" act. Usually the deviance is criminal but it can also involve lawful acts considered morally repugnant by most of society. The mass media report what they consider to be newsworthy, but the new focus on the issue uncovers hidden or borderline examples which themselves would not have been newsworthy except inasmuch as they confirm the "pattern". Reported cases of such "deviance" are often presented as just "the ones we know about" or "the tip of the iceberg," an assertion that is nearly impossible to disprove immediately. [b]For a variety of reasons, what is not frightening and would help the public keep a rational perspective (such as statistics showing that the behavior or event is actually less common or harmful than generally believed) tends to be ignored.

As a result, minor problems begin to look serious and rare events begin to seem common. Members of the public are motivated to keep informed on these events. The resulting publicity has potential to increase deviant behavior by glamorizing it or making it seem common or acceptable.[/b]

In the next stage, supporters of the theory contend, public concern about crime typically forces the police and the whole law enforcement system to focus more resources on dealing with the specific deviancy than it warrants. Judges and magistrates are under public pressure to deal out harsher sentences. Politicians pass new laws to deal with the perceived threat. All this tends to convince the public that any fear was justified while the media continue to profit by reporting police and other law enforcement activity, which further perpetuates the spiral.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be

Still - in an ever increasing population people do need to 'know there place' That's the issue with the yoofs Hairychested refers to - I mean honestly do you think it's acceptable to talk to a woman with a child like that?

You are not going to like this but PUNISHMENT BEATINGS WORK - in West Belfast when there were beatings my first question was 'why did the individual deserve it. Generally it was for individuals who in spite of warnings continued to steal cars (joy riding) or were habitual thieves - mob rule? Yes - but what other rule is there?

It is a well known fact that the biggest consumer of Black and Decker drills was Belfast...

My opinion is based on the world around me - not the mad ramblings on an internet thread.

Grumm

You are not comparing like with like. The original post was based on actual experience as oppose to "perceived". the quotation you refer to in your last post is therefore irrelevant.

It may be more relevant to people who read the Daily Mail etc however it also assumes that lawmakers and law enforcement agencies also ignore the statistical evidence that your writer refers to. This is unlikley IMO. It indicates that only some stakeholders have the ability to see through the media hype. This is not the case.

I mean honestly do you think it's acceptable to talk to a woman with a child like that?

Nope - and I think telling them they'd better stfu or they are going to get the shit beaten out of them is a fairly natural response, but it's unlikely to be a very effective one.

You are not going to like this but PUNISHMENT BEATINGS WORK - in West Belfast when there were beatings my first question was 'why did the individual deserve it. Generally it was for individuals who in spite of warnings continued to steal cars (joy riding) or were habitual thieves

And rival drug dealers? People who had randomly pissed them off for some reason?

mob rule? Yes - but what other rule is there?

My mum had a problem with teenagers from the local school going round the back of her house. She cant walk well, and lives with my v.poorly dad who now cant do much. They live in a bungalow with access to rear garden from both sides through gates.

One day mum was in kitchen when 3 boys ran past. They were long gone before she could get to see them from the front. They left her a gift outside the back door, one had taken a s#@t!! She was upset by this so me and our lass went round, picked up the crap and took it into school. Headmaster had a field day with it!!

Next, 3 girls round the back of the house smoking. Dog out one door, run round the front. Got hold of one by the coat and called her every name under the sun. Even made her cry!! Then walked her into school to see the head. She grassed the others up straight away.

Its not that i like picking on kids, its just that i don't like how they make my mum and dad feel. Theres no need for it. They need to be taught respect!!

Go and talk to the head of the college, they may even put a couple of teachers out in the mornings just to watch the kids in. Thats what they've done near mums. And if you know Sheffield, its High Stores.

dress as a mexican wrestler, corral them into your garage then fxxk em and eat em!

My opinion is based on the world around me

I'm glad that my world isn't as full of fear and prejudice as yours.

Grumm

You are not comparing like with like. The original post was based on actual experience as oppose to "perceived". the quotation you refer to in your last post is therefore irrelevant.

It is relevant to enfht's claim that things are worse now than 5 years ago.

It may be more relevant to people who read the Daily Mail etc however it also assumes that lawmakers and law enforcement agencies also ignore the statistical evidence that your writer refers to. This is unlikley IMO. It indicates that only some stakeholders have the ability to see through the media hype. This is not the case.

Lots of police and law enforcement agencies can see through the hype, unfortunately they are bound by politically motivated targets etc which are very much influenced by media hype.

they may even put a couple of teachers out in the mornings

Against union policy apparantly, and that's straight from the horses (headmaster's) mouth.

Grumm

You are not comparing like with like. The original post was based on actual experience as oppose to "perceived". the quotation you refer to in your last post is therefore irrelevant.

It is relevant to enfht's claim that things are worse now than 5 years ago.

I cant speak for enfht however his opinion may be based on experience. You cant rubbish it.

Lots of police and law enforcement agencies can see through the hype, unfortunately they are bound by politically motivated targets etc which are very much influenced by media hype.

I suspect you have a point.

OK, if you don't believe the feral youth problem is escalating then I bid you Good Day Sir. Just make sure your blindfold doesn't slip.

RB, not that i condone such a thing, but if your interested i can do you a parts list and ciruit diagrams for soemthing a bit more effective than Hi-fi speekers which struggle at high/low rfrequencies anyway, regardless of what it says on the box 🙂

Why they do those eharing tests in physics/biology is beyond me. The crappy speekers used geenraly dont work past the human hearing range anyway! (proved this to my teacher by hooking up a deacent mics (SM57 and a 58) to an oscilasope and getting them to re-do the test, conveniently the hi-fi speeker stops working at the same frequency you'd expect the ear to stop!)

I cant speak for enfht however his opinion may be based on experience. You cant rubbish it.

I can say that one person's subjective experience is virtually irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

It might be getting worse, but for the reasons I posted above, it's extremely difficult to say in any kind of objective way, when there is such hysteria about it.

OK, if you don't believe the feral youth problem is escalating then I bid you Good Day Sir. Just make sure your blindfold doesn't slip.

How about you move to Saudi? Bet there's not much anti-social behaviour from kids there.

Now you've run out of any sensible arguments haven't you.

No I would just prefer it if such narrow-minded people as you would go somewhere more in line with your views.

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RB, not that i condone such a thing, but if your interested i can do you a parts list and ciruit diagrams for soemthing a bit more effective than Hi-fi speekers which struggle at high/low rfrequencies anyway, regardless of what it says on the box

Yes please!!!!

TINAS; YHM!!!

Thanking!

OK so I'm narrow minded. I'm not the one throwing hysterical nonsense at people I don't agree with. hahaha

I cant speak for enfht however his opinion may be based on experience. You cant rubbish it.

I can say that one person's subjective experience is virtually irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

No its not, for him it is paramount. All experiences by definition are subjective and it is those subjective experiences that give rise to both good and bad policy.
Because you either don't interpret events in the same way or don't experience similar events at all, does not detract from an individuals perception which may be borne out of fact.

Having worked and lived in the middle east and still having a few Qatari friends. I can honestly say that the reason Arab children don’t tent to hang on street corners in gangs and threatening easy targets (such as mothers with young children), is not because of the threat of having an appendage chopped off, but due to the morals taught them by their parents and grand-parents. There is an over riding respect of others in society engendered from an early age.

This is where our particular problems stem from. Not the last of physical violence available for parents and adults to practice on younger generations.

If someone spoke to my wife like that, I would be apoplectic with rage. I'd want to beat the living daylights out of them. My moral code would no doubt prevent me from doing just that, but that would still be my preference.

I just can't abide stuff like this - hardworking, honest law abiding citizens having to put up with sh1t like this.

Initially makes me angry, then just very, very sad.

Do you think in 10-20 years time the UK will start to have gated communities, similar to the ones they have in the states, where people who can't put up with this type of behaviour (and who can no doubt afford it) move to in order to provide a better for their families. Of course, we could debate forever whether or not that is a better life, but for people whose lives are a misery due to this sort of behaviour, I can see it being a better option!

Given that my views appear to be in a small minority, I wonder why the approach everyone else favours doesn't seem to be working?

due to the morals taught them by their parents and grand-parents. There is an over riding respect of others in society engendered from an early age.

I agree with this though. I think a lot of the problem is to do with teenage pregnancy - people are becoming parents before they are mature enough to even care for themselves properly. What hope do their kids have. This has now been repeated for several generations in some instances.