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Woot! Her camel toe became a goat's toe.....
IGMC!
What like the ones with a gun in their handbag, or a knife etc etc woh behave irrationally immediately before killing someone, one of those you mean???
Poor argument. This give free rein to do absolutely anything to anyone on the basis that someone once had a knife/gun in their bag.
Why couldn't he just arrest her? No-one would have had a problem with that.
Video released by a Travis County Constable's Office shows Kathryn Winkfein hitting the ground and moaning while the shocks jolted through her body
Am I the only one that thinks this reads like an adult movie script?
Oh and at 4'11" could it be short woman syndrome?
You don't know what's happened before as the video is cut.
He didnt appear to have been assaulted etc so what assumptions can we make. That he had received more of an ear bashing before the camera began rolling? hardly strengthens your argument.
She has had no health problems, or ill effects from the taser it seems, as she is now happy to talk to the media about her ordeal.
Doesnt make it ok though. I recall a protester walked away from an assault in London not so long ago to die later. Notwithstanding that she may have died or been seriously injured during the assault.
It's curious that people seem to find her behaviour acceptable.
Doesnt make it ok though. I recall a protester walked away from an assault in London not so long ago to die later. Notwithstanding that she may have died or been seriously injured during the assault.
Mmmm! Interesting proposition that one. When I used to see riots in Belfast I used to walk the other way not [list]through[/list] the riot - if you walk into a situation like that you are likely to get ****tted by one side or another (notice the operative verb is [list]walk[/list] so you have the opportunity to assess your surroundings unless you are particularly dense in which case your up for a Darwin Award anyway)
Her behaviour may well have been unacceptable but so was the coppers. In the UK that would be a clear assault as tho cops can use force including inflicting pain and injury it must be proportionate.
From watching the telly and working with UK cops it would appear to me that American cops are simply poorly trained. Restraining her would have been easy if the cop was properly trained. Straight on the ground and cuffed. Of course UK cops are nearly always in pairs which helps
It's curious that people seem to find her behaviour acceptable.
I wouldnt go that far, just appears to be excessive force IMO
...adds TJ to list 😈
[i]As a Police officer its required to use a whole range of skills to deal with difficult situations[/i]
This is in TEXAS, mate. [b]TEXAS[/b]!
I sort of agree with what he does right up until this bit
[i]"Put your hands behind your back or you're going to be Tased again," Mr Bieze shouted, and then hits her with another jolt.
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As having seen the US cops on a few road wars they seem a bit to quick to keep pulling (and holding) the trigger after the first jolt.
I suspect it's due to years of frustration coming out in them 😀
I think tasering an old woman is irresponsible - there was no need, he could have overpowered her physically without a problem (if he couldnt he needs to think about his profession!). While her behaviour was disgraceful and childish, he had other choices. However, if I was a cop with a taser I'd be tempted too.
I'm surprised he didn't shoot her...
surfer - Member
I wouldnt go that far, just appears to be excessive force IMO
My point is that it seems ok to lay the blame solely with the Officer and disregard behaviour of the (in this case) old woman.
I think it has already been said that if this had been a 'chav' instead of an old woman behaving like that then it would not be news.
For the record I think that there would have been better ways to deal with the situation but once the Officer had given the warning, they can not back down from it. And you have to draw a line somewhere.
I always laugh when I see TV cop shows where an Officer is talking to a person about something minor and instead of accepting a talking too they kick off. Usually, starts off with the person saying 'Have you not got anything better to do?' I can remember one show where the Officer saying 'Yes, I do. Why are you dragging this out and preventing me from doing it?'
Dare I say that at 72 she should know better than to tell a Police Officer to 'shoot' them?
surfer - MemberWhat like the ones with a gun in their handbag, or a knife etc etc woh behave irrationally immediately before killing someone, one of those you mean???
Poor argument. This give free rein to do absolutely anything to anyone on the basis that someone once had a knife/gun in their bag.
Absolute arse. Of course it doesn't give free rein, its just a case that in a society where the ownership of and carrying firearms are accepted everyday occurances, you have to expect the Police to react strongly in their own defence if someone does not obey their very reasonable and perfectly valid requests. The guys on his own with a woman who point blank refuses to do as she is asked, and is endgangering the cop and herself with her erratic behaviour, (Note the cop has actually put himself in a dangerous position with the oncoming traffic so as to keep her out of harms way), she is refusing to obey, and has several times pushed him away or struck out at him when he has tried to get her to calm down and move to safety. Whats he supposed to do? Roll around on the floor beside the road putting both at risk? Just becuase shes 72 and small does not mean that she isn't armed, on drugs, potentially violent etc etc.
He asked her several times politely, then he warned her more than once, and eventually he zapped her. Entirely her own fault.
Now that's very funny.
If she'd have been black and muslim she'd be f00ked
ha ha ha i had to watch it twice ,
couldnt be bothered to read the many comments,
the big fat throbber of a cop couldnt have been that threatened or bothered by her attitude as he radios in to check with HQ, only after he gets the ok does he zap her. (must admit i laughed a lot)
tazers always seem like a waste of batteries, no one messes with sh*t on a stick.
Zedsdead - MemberI'm surprised he didn't shoot her...
PMSL!
The guys on his own with a woman who point blank refuses to do as she is asked, and is endgangering the cop and herself with her erratic behaviour, (Note the cop has actually put himself in a dangerous position with the oncoming traffic so as to keep her out of harms way), she is refusing to obey, and has several times pushed him away or struck out at him when he has tried to get her to calm down and move to safety. Whats he supposed to do? Roll around on the floor beside the road putting both at risk? Just becuase shes 72 and small does not mean that she isn't armed, on drugs, potentially violent etc etc.
Are you really saying (he must be half her age and at least 3 times her weight) he is that threatened that he cant simply restrain her with reasonable force, cuff her and call back up? I am not as big as this guy but I am confident I could.
Are you happy if this was coming to a street near you G?
What would he have done if he didn't have the taser?
I am not as big as this guy but I am confident I could.
Yeah, but brittle bones, osteoporosis etc - there'd be a video of you surfer, breaking her arms.
Tut. That'd look good in the Daily Telegraph video section wouldn't it?
Cant believe it would be as damaging as using a taser on the aforementioned 72 year old with the associated convulsions, muscle damage, heart damage risk as well as hitting the concrete possibly breaking lots more as well as head trauma.
Yep taser it is then!
Gobbing off to a copper, at her age you'd think she'd know better.
I bet she doesn't do it again, so perhaps you can teach old dogs new tricks.
Are you happy if this was coming to a street near you G?
Yep, I've no real problem with doing as asked by a copper, as long as its polite and reasonable. I didn't see anything there that wasn't.
Basically, I'm sick to the back teeth of this "everyone knows their rights, but no one knows their responsibilities" culture. I am by no means a goody goody, and I've had a fair few brushes with the boys in blue, but I've never been treated unreasonably. Having said that, my brother sat on the Police Complaints Authority for 3 years, and I'm very aware of situations where the Police have indeed reacted badly. 99 times out of a hundred though, there is some history other than, "yes officer".
As has been quoted at me often enough recently, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
I'm sick to the back teeth of this "everyone knows their rights, but no one knows their responsibilities" culture.
What relevance does that have to whether using a taser was an appropriate way of dealing with this woman? Don't think anyone is arguing that the woman was in the right, just that the response was unnecessary and ill-advised.
A new report from Amnesty International today (28 March) reveals a significant year-on-year increase in deaths related to electro-shock 'Taser' weapons in the USA. In the UK, over three-quarters of police forces have recently deployed tasers to firearms officers and some parts of the police have already called for wider deployment to all officers.Since June 2001, says the new report, 152 people have died in the USA after being shot with tasers, 61 in 2005 alone.
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=16906
If a police officer can't restrain a small 72 year old woman without having to electrocute her then wtf is he doing being a policeman? He clearly just got wound up by her and reacted badly. Police should be trained to easily deal with a situation like that - he can hardly have felt threatened by her.
[i]If a police officer can't restrain a small 72 year old woman without having to electrocute her then wtf is he doing being a policeman? He clearly just got wound up by her and reacted badly. Police should be trained to easily deal with a situation like that - he can hardly have felt threatened by her[/i]
1. Look up electrocution in the dictionary.
2. As I said this was in TEXAS!! Be real!
I watched this a few times. It boils down to this:
He's a big bloke, she's tiny.
She was acting irrationally and a potential danger to herself and him. He clearly was in the traffic stream a couple of times.
His options were to let her go, physically restraining her, or the taser.
Her options were to shut up and accept the ticket like most sensible people, to obey the cop after the warnings, or accept the consequences.
I'll bet she has managed to blag her way out of previous tickets like this.
From the size of the cop physical restraint could have ended up in her being seriously hurt, so he was put in a position of a choice between letting her off or tasing her. In the meantime he was also at risk of being splattered by a car.
Simple choice really.
What relevance does that have to whether using a taser was an appropriate way of dealing with this woman? Don't think anyone is arguing that the woman was in the right, just that the response was unnecessary and ill-advised.
Simple, she has the right to behave like a complete idiot, but the responsibility for the consequences are really hers.
Again, what would he have done if he didn't have the taser? Shoot her?
Pepper Sprayed her wrinkly ass
Break her kneecaps with his baton probably. Who cares though really? I ain't speeding in Texas any time soon.
'Again, what would he have done if he didn't have the taser? Shoot her?'
Headbutted her?
Whack with the good ole nightstick behind the kness?
Hmmm
Are these people not trained in restraint techniques? Surely that would be about the easiest possible application for them.
To be fair he did try the cuffs, but he probably remebered at the last minutes that his wife needed them that night.
Jesus H Christ, I've re-visited this thread after a quick post yesterday, and I've watched the [b]'don't taze me bro' you tube clip[/b] linked to about half way down the first page of this thread....and now I'm absolutely fuming!!!! 👿 👿 👿
That is one of the most outrageous uses of police power I have ever seen and wouldn't look out of place in a documentary on Mugabe's Zimbabwe. What also has really pissed me off is that everyone else just did nothing (apart from stand up to get a better view/angle for their mobile phone camera).
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This clip does not start at the beginning of the altercation - getting out of the car in the first place must have been against his direct instruction. I'm not sure Police act in a way that automatically "deserves" respect, but they have the legal powers to act in a way that demands respect even if you don't agree with them. She was obviously not in the mood to obey simple instructions so if you agree or not with what happened to her, she has some responsibility for the outcome.
Has anyone else been tazered? I have, voluntarily I might add, many years ago when still in the military whilst we were "experimenting" with newly developed products. Very odd feeling, yes its certainly unpleasant but it wears off very quickly afterwards with no side effects after 15mins or so in my experience. I think the voltage(or current I forget) used now is much less too. The feeling of total incapacity to physically react is my overwhelming memory. A bit like being put on a naughty step and given time to think about what you've done! I have to say I can't imagine there is a better way of reducing the risk to the "victim" or to the police officer in a confrontation, unless of course hundreds of others in the crowd kick your head in with your weapon already deployed!
I have to say I can't imagine there is a better way of reducing the risk to the "victim" or to the police officer in a confrontation
Since June 2001, says the new report, 152 people have died in the USA after being shot with tasers, 61 in 2005 alone.
Hey, I'm glad I didn't hear that stat before offering to take the hit! 😯
I suspect that figure is pretty "raw" - i.e. everyone who got tazed as part of their contact with police and died subsequently irrespective of reason. I wonder what sub figures are behind that figure - the number that had dangerours levels of drugs in their system before being "shot" and would have had problems anyway, had been in a fight and had internal injuries that might have been a problem or just took their own life in a cell and the fact that they had been tazed was not directly related. Also, and I guess no one would be able to put a figure on this, how many injuries or deaths to police officers, members of the public or "victims" have been prevented over that period if the police had not had them and resorted to firearms, battens, physical handling or the perp had escaped. Guess we'll never know.
There is a youtube video somewhere of a policeman getting a woman to step away from the roadway like this cop is trying to do.
Seconds later a car came along and demolished the vehicle she had been standing beside.
I'm sure the tasing cop was well aware of that risk.
A bit much for speeding.
About right for daring a cop with a taser to tase them.
One night I heard a woman screaming in the street
"Go on then go on hit me go on i dare you - YOU HIT ME you b******* what did you do that for?"