Dan Hodges, of all people, has just pointed out on Twitter that Kemi Badanoch has now committed to only 2 policies since her leadership election
1. Abolishing inheritance tax for landowners passing on land valued at over 3 million quid
2. Abolishing tax on private school fees
That's the Tory party really addressing the issues that concern most people in this country.
Finger on the pulse there Kemi
So I've got a video from the protest of Clarkson.....turns out it was the interview with Derbyshire! I'd just started filming when he asked how many folk would be impacted by iht. I also got very close to Farage..... he's very short.
Crowdsize was huge though tbf.....saw 10k on BBC, then upped to 13k.....it was way more than that!
Vids of a tractor driving through a bollard, very slowly, but straight at a police officer are circulating on Twitter. Also, rather bizarrely, a couple of folks from JSO turned up!
I'm tired, really don't care for London and am still 90 minutes from home.
Clarkson still thinks he’s on Top Gear using the audience to put shit on Richard Hammond. When he asks his farming disciples how many are affected yeah it’s true most of them are - they just need to do some tax and succession planning. Do these people all honestly think they’re on the hook for loads of money from the get go just cos they wear wellies all day?
At the risk of derailing the thread back to where it started, any sign of the far right getting involved?
do the farmers just have to do is sign the farm over 7 years before death? Just like the rest of us plebs
If you hand over an asset as a gift, you must live seven years, but cannot continue to derive benefit from the asset - otherwise you have not given it away. For the case of a house, for example, your parent gives you a house and lives in it. To avoid IHT they must pay market rent for the property. That could just be a means of them “gifting” you further wealth, but it must be paid.
The problem with farming is the farm has been the pension. So forward planning of income after, say 65, was not a thing. That planning requires pension contributions or future savings to avoid deriving benefit. whilst more young farmers, and farm workers, will be paying into pensions, this has not always been the case. Hence elderly farmers have assets but no future income after gifting the asset.
If you hand over an asset as a gift, you must live seven years, but cannot continue to derive benefit from the asset – otherwise you have not given it away. For the case of a house, for example, your parent gives you a house and lives in it. To avoid IHT they must pay market rent for the property. That could just be a means of them “gifting” you further wealth, but it must be paid.
The accountancy press and HMRC have been stressing this quite a bit in the last week or two.
You didn’t watch it then? It’s full of sniping. And not at all concise.
it was way more than that!
people in large crowds alway seem to overestimate the numbers
the Met have a lot of experience so I think it’s likely that their numbers are there or thereabouts
And not at all concise.
And yet still more concise.
I started out from the perspective of the changes being a bad thing and this thread, being largely a load of shouting down and the usual, had done nothing to convince me otherwise. The video has me now considering the opposite viewpoint.. at they say - it's all in the delivery.
Its sure this isn’t representative of all farmers but the small family owned ones I’ve noticed where I walk doggo are dumping slurry straight into the local river (seen the tankers with hoses discharging)
I find this hard to believe, especially that you've seen multiple. Are you sure they're discharging rather than taking water?
@TiRed the last part is why most of the old farmers i know build a granny anex and work part time on other farms or rent back stables for storage.
Farming is a rubbish job with great benefits if you like being outside.
Massively underrated and taken for granted.
If my pad is worth £1m+ (no hope) my kid will get hit with inheritance tax. Even though my work has brought foreign money into the economy and helps (a tiny bit) to offset the mahoosive negative balance of trade. I've not been paid massive subsidies each year for 50+ years, unlike them.
I didn't see any of them protesting when the ship yards, steel mills or 1000 other British industries were decimated. We import most other things, we can import food if needs be - because we're so dependent on other countries already, one more step will male ****all difference.
They need to paying their share of tax rather than just sponging off the rest of us.
Anyway not sure in the timing of the announcement of this new venture,but here’s a cycling related theme with farms ,gcn,inheritance etc
And never forget- ‘their’ land was land stolen from the masses
Given the ability and competence of "the masses", not sure we want it returning, tbh
Well, I imagine the proper farmers who went down to London trudged back last night in the cold and have now woken up and are going to work, in the cold, with not a single thing changed.
Meanwhile, Farage, Tice, Clarkson et al are probably still tucked up in nice, warm, London hotel suites - having had a lovely evening meal with some fine wines. Probably a brandy or two as a nightcap in some big armchairs to round off another successful day (for them).
This letter from the FT seems to sum up the position for me. These farmers should be turning their anger onto to the parasitic folk who have inflated the notional value of their land to such an extent that they are now classed as millionaires and taxed accordingly.
Also, Clarkson really is a revolting individual, he's just good at projecting bonhomie in controlled situations, stick him in a street interview with some awkward questions from the likes of Vic Derbyshire and the switch flips instantly.
but here’s a cycling related theme with farms ,gcn,inheritance etc
Saw that last night, spent five minutes trying to work out if it was a skit where they ended up racing CX around the grounds of a stately home. And I can't believe he's not actually called Hank.
In one infinitesimally small 'victory' I see that my local rural police force have removed their post on FB where they changed the profile picture to a "We Support British Farmers" banner.
It was pointed out to them by me and others that the police are supposed to be apolitical.
I started out from the perspective of the changes being a bad thing and this thread, being largely a load of shouting down and the usual, had done nothing to convince me otherwise. The video has me now considering the opposite viewpoint.. at they say – it’s all in the delivery.
I don't as a rule object to paying taxes, but I do when others don't have to pay the same ones as me - but maybe the mistake Reeves made was that she should've announced that landowner estates would pay the same as the rest of us, and then gave them 10 years (with no interest and benefitting from inflation) to pay as a concession?
on stage he was absolutely brilliant though, much as you’d expect.
Yup, very much what I would expect. What is less expected though is how shite he is when challenged.
The video posted on the previous page is an excellent analysis of the modern farming conundrum.
The problem with Labour’s approach in this and things like the winter heating grant is that they don’t offer a carrot with the necessary stick. The winter heating grant should have been tapered rather than a sharp cut off and the farmers should have been promised some form of price protections for their products to make farming worthwhile. The subsidies we pay them now are really just free extra profits to the food industry.
Both policies are perfectly reasonable and needed as we try to wriggle out of the decades long low tax economy experiment that has enshittified the public realm, but for heavens sake Labour need to do better to explain it and say why it’ll make us all happier, healthier and wealthier in the long run.
I have a family business (Tech) my business is based from my home I don't get reduced council tax, I don't get grants for fencing, hedges, trees, hardstanding, never had a single farm payment, the only benefit I had was a double cab pickup, I don't get inheritance tax reduction I can't claim back vat on anything for my land or property. I don't travel first class, I don't drive £70k landrovers, I can't build an 'agricultural workers cottage" - yet I am surrounded by Farmers who in my 60 years of watching seem to have had a good run.
Tice, Farage, Truss, Clarkson and Badenoch speaking against an increase of taxation on millionaires.
The Daily Mail has twisted a family tragedy to blame a suicide on the tax increase when a quick review of the facts shows that the tax changes would of had zero impact on his estate.
Why are normal working people taken by this absolute nonsense?
If it's about our nation's food, what about the bakers, butchers, grain mills etc. Why do they not have different IHT rules?
What about the farmers destroying butchers businesses by opening farm shops and cutting them out of the loop? Basically profiteering by shortening the established supply chain?
**** the multi millionaire farmers and land owners and get them to pay what they owe.
Given his “help” to the fishing industry, I just don’t get why Farage was welcome within 20 miles of that protest yesterday.
Its like Brexit, innit? These snake oil salesmen have managed to convince the hard of thinking that they’re on their side, in order to get them to behave against their own interests
The idea that piano-tinkling squillionaire landowner ‘Lord’ Lloyd Webber has the remotest interest in some hill farmer in Penrith is absolutely laughable.
This is the man who took a first class flight back from New York specifically in order to vote through benefit cuts to the poorest in society in the House of Lords.
Farage and Clarkson are the same. Shysters just on the grift
It was pointed out to them by me and others that the police are supposed to be apolitical.
Nice that they did, as loads of farmers get their livestock and machinery stolen. Maybe they should put their thoughts back up online today now that the general public have moved on from their 5 minutes of fame.
Clarkson: I hate him
It is, I think, the totally transparently self-serving nature of it that seems invisible to the community who are lending their support to him whining about having his tax dodge removed, becasue he's "one of them" I can understand why Clarkson is angry, that the farmers back him him up is unfathomable. He literally made his money from the public purse through working for the BBC, and sought to protect having to pay anything back through buying a farm - which he now claims was a lie, so can anything he says be trusted? Faced with actual questioning yesterday he fell apart. As for his speech, well he spoke well enough but he made a joke of the air and river pollution that some farmers are guilty of, so I don't think he won over that many folks to the cause.
I get that for many farmers this is just the latest of many things that seem to be piling up to conspire to make their businesses unprofitable, but given the wholly unsustainable cost of land, the wholly unsustainable nature of modern farming, the wholly unsustainable tax breaks and subsidies they've had for the last 50 years, did they really think the money would roll in forever from the public purse?
As one post on Threads put it yesterday "Yeah you put food on our tables, but we empty your bins, and clean your streets, we teach your kids, we drive the ambulance, and staff the hospital that look after you".
This is the man who took a first class flight back from New York specifically in order to vote through benefit cuts to the poorest in society in the House of Lords.
Remarkable! Never had a high opinion of LW, but that’s a jaw-dropper.
Oh come one they all do stuff like that no matter what the colour.
Why are normal working people taken by this absolute nonsense?
Because they aren't very bright
Oh come one they all do stuff like that no matter what the colour.
My bar of what justifies eight hours sitting on a plane and eight hours back is clearly way too high!
they all do stuff like that no matter what the colour.
They really don't all do stuff like that. Andrew Lloyd Webber has never been a politician and he gave up his attempt to be one when that flight to London from New York specifically in order to vote through benefit cuts proved that he totally lacked any qualities to be one.
Before that specific vote he hadn't attended any sitting of the House of Lords for an extremely long time. He obviously thought that benefit cuts for the poorest in society was an issue of vital importance to him.
Why are normal working people taken by this absolute nonsense?
Because the public are tired of experts.
Because of Rupert Murdoch.
Because of the Barclay brothers
Because of BBCs impartiality rules.
The list is long, but essentially, rich people are doing whatever they can to keep their money, and that means keeping you and i as poor and badly informed as possible. And they've been making dirty tricks legal to do it for as long as i've been alive.
Those who try and point these things out are then discredited in the media, which is owned by rich people.
It takes *real* brainpower to cut through all the rubbish that the media are allowed to (or made to) spout about stuff that affects your daily life and work out what's really going on.
Nice that they did, as loads of farmers get their livestock and machinery stolen. Maybe they should put their thoughts back up online today now that the general public have moved on from their 5 minutes of fame.
They can (and will obviously) continue to post up with appeals and information about successful prosecutions that demonstrably back British Farmers when they are victims of crime. Like any police force should.
But stating that they 'back' one group of people as a matter of general principle is not a good look for a UK policing team. They can advertise that they have the specialist knowledge, networks and skillsets to combat rural crime. What they cannot do is say they 'back' one group. What will they do if a farmer assaults a walker who has accidentally strayed off of a footpath, for example?
It was pointed out to them by me and others that the police are supposed to be apolitical.
Why is supporting british farmers political? Are you careful to make sure you don't buy british meat or vegetables at the supermarket in case you are (mis?)construed to be making a political statement?
Fighting the good fight as usual Fenderextender
I can understand why Clarkson is angry, that the farmers back him him up is unfathomable.
But, but, but, Clarkson s Farm has done "more for farming" than any other programme.
I now can't stand the man, he makes good watchable TV, but he's a weapons grade idiot.
As someone who runs a village shop and used to do alot of retail planning within a previous career, everything he's publicly done in recent years makes him look like a tw*t imo. His best move was buying the pub recently, but he should have done that 3 years ago, except that wouldn't have made good TV.
Why is supporting british farmers political?
Because of the timing and the context that they posted that it during a significant political protest involving farmers.
