[Closed] Fake Mosque shootin range controversy!!!??? (dumb ass local news content)

oddly enough on all the simulated urban ranges ive used i never once fired at a building. They are meant to try simulate the area so why every house was a mosque i dont know should have been every third one lol. It was prob a bit of a joke thats backfired and some poor sod will be on a charge for it. Remember people everyone is equal, just some are more equal than others 🙁

It's just squaddies learning to kill. That's why they're in the army...to learn killin'

[i]Just a bunch of thicko cannon-fodder squaddies 'having a laugh[/i]

Well done talkemada, you are now the new no1 STW dickhead!
congratulations!

You've reached your pinnacle now please **** off back to wherever you came from.

Well put [b]backhander[/b] +1

I'm not even going to rise to respond that comment [b]talkemada[/b] 🙄

For desensitized killin' machines, soldiers sure are touchy sometimes

working with Muslim community to make sure it doesn't happen again

'So Mr Muslim, do you think it is okay to have cardboard cut-out Mosques on our shooting range?'

'No'

'Okay then, we won't be so u****ing stupid and try thinking a little harder before wasting your and our time next time.

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No one's complaining about the house in the middle they've made to look like Gordon Brown.

A common TV experience these days:

"Muslim groups today, complained about..."

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It's right up there with

Mr Woppit - Member

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I live in a house and find it disgusting that the army feels the need to steryotype house-livers as potential enemies. I've done nothing wrong.

Whack a cross on top and convert them to churches. Sorted. You could also put an alien and a DC10 on top of another in case we ever get any crap from the scientologists. Better safe than sorry in my book.

Clearly a slow news day! I laughed my head off when I saw this on the news. It's ridiculous. Everyone is offended about everything these days! Life's too flaming short.

Not just STWers chatting about it.

[url= http://forum.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=7165&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 ]Bradford newspaper forum[/url]

Well done talkemada, you are now the new no1 STW dickhead!
congratulations!

Why thank you...

The underlying problem here, is the increasing hostility, fear and anger towards Muslims and Islam, fuelled by right-wing media and scum like the BNP. Muslims have lived in Britain for many decades now, have formed communities and are a part of our nation as much as anyone else.

To stick 'domes' onto buildings on a firing range, suggests that he soldiers seem to see Islam as their target, rather than 'terrorism', or whatever it is they're actually fighting against.

To the soldiers, it's probably 'just a laugh'. Just their ignorance and insensitivity. It may well be a provocative act; understandable in light of the Wooton Basset affair. I can appreciate that people trying to do their job as best they can can feel angry when another group is publicly criticising them. But they voluntarily signed up, so have to deal with that.

I apologise if my comments caused offence. Of course, you can choose not to be offended. The 'cannon-fodder' bit was in reference to how so many young lives are being used as pawns in a political game. If they think putting domes onto buildings on a firing range is at all clever, then I stand by my other comments. IMO, it's a stupid, ignorant and insensitive thing to do.

Attacks on Asian people (not even Muslims always) have risen sharply during the last 9 years or so. Mosques have been attacked, Muslim graves have been desecrated, and Asians find themselves on the receiving end of undue suspicion, fear and hate. Is that fair? British people trying to get along with their own lives, in their own country, and they get all that crap to deal with.

Incidents like this do not help. Those responsible should be made to consider their actions. Things like this just serve to stir up more hate and anger. Just doesn't help.

So, before you go shouting 'oh what are they being offended about it's only a laugh', try to see it from the other side.

In an effort to try to understand the reasoning behind this, I've Google for pics of some of the places where British troops will be going, to see if it makes sense. I'm struggling to see, from this albeit limited view, the logic behind this move:

Basra:

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Baghdad:

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Kabul:

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Although there are some mosques visible in these pictures, that's no more unusual than having churches in any average British town. The majority of buildings don't appear to have domed roofs, green or otherwise.

The British military and government go to great lengths to stress that this is [i]not[/i] a War against Islam.

So why make buildings on a firing range look like Mosques? 🙄

Surely this is no different to the 'German village' and the 'Irish village' on the Epynt ranges in Wales?

Now, I don't know much about German villages, but what of the "Irish" village?

How does that work then? One big church, loads of pubs and gaily painted bungalows (and a dog that acts as a traffic island...quote taken from image page)?
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a dog that acts as a traffic island

It wouldn't be very visible at night. Maybe give it some reflective stripes, and possibly a little fluoro jacket for overcast conditions.

I've Google for pics of some of the places where British troops will be going,

Will British troops be going to Basra and Baghdad ?

Also, I hate to point this out, but domed roofed edifices are not exclusive to the islamic canon of architecture.

Will British troops be going to Basra and Baghdad

Seriously though does part of the Muslim community have nothing better to do than find stuff to get upset about? This is why your average Joe does not get/like (delete were appropriate) Muslims imho, you never see Buddhists getting angry over photos of fat bald blokes saying it's an insult to buddah, or Hindus upset at mountain biking cows.

It does still happen - Hindus got a bit upset with Monster in My Pocket (apparently a small brightly coloured rubber rendition of the god Ganesh is seen as being a bit insulting, especially when labelled a monster...), and Christians got stroppy when Manchester Cathedral was featured in Resistance: Fall of Man.

Seriously though does part of the Muslim community have nothing better to do than find stuff to get upset about?

Mostly they just go about their daily lives, like all other people. I think it's being subject to xenophobia, fear, hatred and intolerance that pisses them off somewhat.

And to answer your other question; since the first Gulf War, have Buddhists etc been the subject of increased scrutiny, violent attacks, mistrust and suspicion?

I just don't get why a small minority of UK Muslims seem to have this huge voice that gets upset over ridiculous things.

Having your culture and religion demonised and regularly attacked might not seem that ridiculous to those affected... 🙄

looks like a big building in brussels near where i used to live. it had a brass roof that had gone green. Maybe they just thought it would be more fun banging a load of rounds thru pretend mosques whilst shouting 'get some' 🙂

Having your culture and religion demonised and regularly attacked

And to answer your other question; since the first Gulf War, have Buddhists etc been the subject of increased scrutiny, violent attacks, mistrust and suspicion?

Idiot. Do you think there might be a reason for this?
I'll give you a clue; how many people have you seen blow themselves up in the middle of a packed market in the name of Buddha?

Having your culture and religion demonised and regularly attacked might not seem that ridiculous to those affected...

Please explain the reason for the use of the terms "Infidel" and "kaffir".

Why do you think (some) UK Muslims are so angry then? Why would such a minority, traditionally very peaceful, become so wound up? Why do you think that is?

Maybe they just thought it would be more fun banging a load of rounds thru pretend mosques whilst shouting 'get some'

I reckon that's pretty much all it is. Just a bit stupid and ignorant. Not in itself a 'big deal' really. I mean, why get so steamed up about what a small bunch of people are doing? They're not attacking anyone here, so what's the problem?

The problem is, that is perhaps reveals a malaise in the minds of some people in the UK, that Islam, and therefore Muslims, are a 'target'. That they can't see beyond media hype and far-right propaganda. As for the extremist terrorists; they know that using religion as the basis for action is far more emotive than a purely political foundation, and that it will provoke a far greater reaction. Some truly are so misguided and deluded, to believe that they are on a Jihad, a Holy War. But why should the actions of a few taint the decent and peaceful nature of the many? Christian Extremists in the USA have bombed abortion clinics; does that mean all Christians are therefore complicit?

If something is affecting your culture and community, or could provoke a negative image of your culture and community, then you have every right to speak up.

Backhander; I can't be bothered getting into an argument with you, as you clearly have an agenda which I'm not interested in.

Not just STWers chatting about it.
Bradford newspaper forum

I think the military should blow them all up!

Unclear whether the poster there is talking about the cutouts, the real life Mosques or Teh Muslims. Possibly all three.

talkemada remember tho that like the few islamic terrorists that give the rest of islam a bad name this range target idea would have been the brainwave of only one officer and given the go ahead by only one or two seniors. Just as we shouldnt judge islam on the actions of a few neither should the army be judged on the actions of a few.

Just as we shouldnt judge islam on the actions of a few neither should the army be judged on the action of a few

I totally agree with that. I happen to believe that the majority of people that sign up for our armed forces do so with the best intentions, and do a valuable and commendable job.

The thing is, if this incident had never been reported, then maybe no 'offence' would have been taken. Which might have been better. But then, if this stupidity hadn't happened at all, then that would have been best.

I don't have an agenda talkemada. I'm not a racist or bigot and believe in equal opportunities. I also understand that the bombings are mainly the work of extremists. However, how many buddhist extremists do you hear of killing people? What is plain to see is that apologists like you make the whole thing worse, especially ones who do not know what they're talking about.

[url= http://www.tamileelamnews.com/cgi-bin/news/exec/view.cgi/1/1557 ]Buddhist Extremists Target Churches[/url]

backhander - take a look at Tibet and Myanmar for "buddist monks" getting involved in violence and attempt to overthrow the state - of course they are on the side of the good guys and has no effect on us directly.

Talkemada - you are wasting your breath unfortunately - either people will understand the offensive symbolism of this or they wont.

A chap from (I think) the Bradford Musilem Council on 5Live last night quite reasonably said he wouldn't have minded too much if it had been one, as this may well be a fairly accurate simulation - it was every other house having a minaret he deemed taking the p*ss a bit.

I am paraphrasing it slightly there.

TJ, it seems to me that the tibetans are the recipients of violence in most cases. However I know how you admire the chinese political system so I understand if you disagree.

trailmonkey - Member

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Mr Woppit - Member

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Although, not in your case, obviously...

So, how come the Greek Orthodox Xians aren't getting all whiney about it?

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i had urban training before going to bosnia in the northern ireland one . Needless to say i was gutted i couldnt get guinness all over when i got there 🙁

wrightyson - Member

......if it's such a non story why do you feel so compelled to repeatedly post?

Why ? Because I'm livid !

I'm livid that the media are making such a fuss over muslims creating a fuss. It's just another example of political correctness gone stark raving bonkers.

How are Our Boys suppose to train in preparation for war, if they can't familiarise themselves with muslim buildings ? I can picture the scene right now - a young lad unable to get proper training because of the pain-in-the-arse PC brigade, gets sent to a war. One day whilst out on patrol he suddenly stops and exclaims, "Ere Sarge, what's that funny building with a turban instead of a roof?". Next thing ..... bang - he's dead. Hit by a sniper's bullet because he was momentarily distracted.

And then what about if some inexperienced young lads get sent by their CO to check if there's any terrorists in the local mosque. Can you imagine how many buildings they might have to go to, before they manage to figure out which one is a mosque ?

BTW, has anyone else noticed that during the Iraq and Afghan wars, the people who have complained the most have always been muslims ! FFS, we try to sort out their countries for them and all they ever seem to do is complain. Instead of showing a bit of gratitude, they just keep whingeing on about the amount of people we've killed, or places we bombed. Get's right on my tits, it does 😐

Even worse ernie, you've not considered the possibility that Our Boys (like the spurious caps by the way) might get so dazzled by islamic architecture they might convert to islam, instantly become a terrorist and become the Taliban's number 1 killing machine. Like Terminator or something.

*nods*

Seriously though does part of the Muslim community have nothing better to do than find stuff to get upset about? This is why your average Joe does not get/like (delete were appropriate) Muslims imho

GOD ! there is some SH*T being spouted on here

If you can't just see how wrong the whole episode is ..... well .....

In a away it's like saying all Roman Catholics are Italian just cos thats where the boss hangs out ....

No excuse for anything other than a box on those ranges, no need for doors, windows or domes.

Not surprised a portion of BRITISH citizens are well upset by it all .....

Now I'll have to go and put my tin foil hat on cos I'm sure i'll get well flamed for this opinion....

deadlydarcy - Member
Now, I don't know much about German villages, but what of the "Irish" village?
How does that work then? One big church, loads of pubs and gaily painted bungalows (and a dog that acts as a traffic island...quote taken from image page)?

...that's the insulting matter (for the Irish). The German Village is a fairly elaborate affair - the full works. The Irish village is a small group of breeze-block built, simple terraces - all perfect for door kicking!

user-removed - Member
...*Notwithstanding a particular nefarious Scottish clan pushing over a burning church to kill off a whole other clan...

Hey! they deserved it...:)

Ernie you really are up there with jimmy carr and jack d on the use of sarcasm, I applaud you. Cmon, lower yourself and let's hear what you really want to say about the issue and me the op. You seem to have a problem with anyone expressing an opinion or posting about something that you don't agree with, is this not what forums are for. It made the news, (it shouldn't have) I couldn't believe it, it probably was poor judgement by whoever requested the domes, as I said before a target is a target and any training is vital for the poor sods who are gonna get sent out there. But our armed forces must be doing something right, I know several people who've served for other countries and all have said the same, the British armed forces are not the best equiped (by far and away the Americans coz we can afford bigger guns than you attitude) but by far the best trained!

You seem to have a problem with anyone expressing an opinion or posting about something that you don't agree with

WTF ??? LOL ! 😀 I love your posts ! Please don't stop posting them !

I think you might a problem with me agreeing with you though..............try posting something controversial 💡

The German Village is a fairly elaborate affair - the full works. The Irish village is a small group of breeze-block built, simple terraces - all perfect for door kicking!

I assume the Irish one was built in the seventies...terrible architectural period that...