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how come that's suddenly acceptable?
Who said it wasnt ?
Go on........ linky?
Ever since a long thread on counterfeit products was allowed on the forum as well, I'd imagine.
cuppa cfh?
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As long as they are advertised as fake what's the problem. ?
It's never been reported to us. Link?
I'm guessing he's talking about the various Fakelys that have been bought from DX and the like
As long as the seller isnt trying to deceive and pass off as the real thing then I dont think it matters
Yep all the fakely threads and ads.
I'd say it's leaving stw open to prosecution and at very least is bound to piss off retailers who pay to advertise on here who are Oakly stockists (no personal interest here by the way, just know it's not allowed on most forums)
Was it my recent ad [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-fake-trek-remedy-2012?replies=1#post-4163308 ]here[/url] you are talking about?
DrP
busybody-tastic!
anybody wanna buy this Polex?
DrP, that's awesome! 🙂
I tried to Ebay a "Specialized" jersey that I'd bought, er, remarkably cheap from China and I received an email from Specialized via Ebay asking me to remove it from sale.
CFH - it IS indeed incredibly awesome. £2250 to you sir....
DrP
😯 😆
can see an anti busy-body lynchmob coming my way
Dunno about the legalities tbh, but it definitely lowers the tone.
Can we have a ban on people wearing Burberry scarves as well please?
No worse than folk recommending illegal downloads of software/maps etc - and that's been tolerated for years. 🙄
On a more important note...
Since when has the accpetable brand name for fake Oakleys been Fakely?
Shirely it should Foakley.
It has not. We've warned and banned many people for promoting illegal downloads and piracy.
The Classifieds rules and guidelines have been updated to include a rule about fake goods.
I thought the better name was joakley
[quote=Mark ]It has not. We've warned and banned many people for promoting illegal downloads and piracy.
Cheers Mark. There's probably more slipping under the Mods radar than you are aware of.
I'll update my "Report Post" Macro to include that option.....
joakley
Not at the price you pay for them.
Just out of interest how will people selling genuine items be treated if someone decides for some reason to report them as fake?
I'm sure most of us can tell the fake v real Oakleys but possibly not always?
So I can no longer sell a Dx bastid light on the classifeds? (a rip off copy of a lupine light if ever there was one!!!) or my tubless ghetto converted wheelset 'cause I didn't use the proper genuine stans valves or tape?
How far are we taking this?
Can I sell a no name seatpost that's a blatant Syncros copy?
There's plenty Chinese carbon frames that are copies of Niners etc. What about those?
Superstar, Fibrax etc sell copies of everyone's brake pads.....
Do the fakelys have the O logos? If not, they are imitations rather than fake. Agree with the points above. I've bought a couple of golf clubs off ebay that were blatant counterfeits - no one here is trying to do that I assume?
Sounds like over reaction to me.
How far are we taking this?
To the point of common sense I'd have thought.
If you describe your no name seatpost as a no name seat post that's a blatant Syncros copy, I think you'll be ok.
Same as selling a DX as a DX and not a Lupine, or Superstar as Superstar and Chinese copy as a Chinese copy.
Isn't the only problem when you come to passing off the fake as a genuine article?
[quote=davidjones15 ]
Isn't the only problem when you come to passing off the fake as a genuine article?
I think that's what we are trying to determine. Is this not a question of trade mark and copyright? If I sell some sunglasses to you and they are clearly a direct copy - with logos etc - of some Oakleys, [i]even if I tell you they are not genuine[/i] I am still trading in counterfeit goods. That is illegal and I might expect a visit from Trading Standards. Plainly, STW cannot be seen to support this activity.
What about selling "replicas"?
[quote=rob jackson ]What about selling "replicas"?
I guess that if the manufacturer of the replica has acquired the rights to make it then you have the right to re-sell it. Otherwise it's fake/counterfeit?
To the point of common sense I'd have thought....Isn't the only problem when you come to passing off the fake as a genuine article
no, because the thread is about fake goods advertised as such.
And Mark's update in the rules
NO FAKE GOODS - in almost all cases selling fake goods (even if you declare they are fake) is illegal.
is pretty explicit in including declared-fakes.
is pretty explicit in including declared-fakes.
As mentioned above [I don't know these products], DX, Superstar, Fibrax and the Chinese framemakers would appear to be pretty knackered.
If only the real world was so simple.
What is going to be done about reproducing photographs without the photogs permission?
There's a [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/show-me-pictures-of-you-in-action#post-4163964 ]thread[/url] which would appear to be breaching copyright law, unless people are buying photos with watermarks included.
The rule appears to be,
If it's illegal, it's against forum rules. If it isn't, it isn't. Seems fairly sensible and straight-forward to me.
As mentioned above [b][I don't know these products][/b], DX, Superstar, Fibrax and the Chinese framemakers would appear to be pretty knackered.
Nope. DX lights are labelled as DX, Superstar components as Superstar etc so are not [b]fakes[/b]. They may have copied someone elses technical design but they are not fakes ie. purporting to be something they aren't.
.After my ads offering up the complete back catalogue of issues of stw on cd were pulled I reported several of the Fakely threads, but no action was taken by the mods.
Now, given what Vinneyh just wrote, was that self censorship or was he modded like his FS thread?
Edit: Heh.
Nope. DX lights are labelled as DX, Superstar components as Superstar etc so are not fakes. They may have copied someone elses technical design but they are not fakes ie. purporting to be something they aren't.
Best you get shouty at gab344 and PeterPoddy rather than me then.
I have nothing constructive to add. 😆
I don't think Superstar are passing off their goods as being made by someone else or copying anyones design. It's mostly stuff pulled from a catalogue and branded on their behalf, same as it is by many other folk.
Impossible to police, fake stuff is a fact of life and STW is not the place for any kind of attempt to turn back that tide.
Be realistic.
I've got several copies of STW issues 97 through 123 on Betamax if anyone want to copy them......
DrP
How about that bloke wot copied Dekerf frames, had them made up in Far East from gas pipe, rather than handbuilt from Reynolds by a bald bloke, called them Inbred or something. What about him, well, what about him???? I think we should be told! 🙂