Funniest one yet I reckon
but when Red bull and Verstappen do it, ThEy MuSt BE SToPPed
My problem with red bull being so dominant is they did nothing but moan, complain and accuse Mercedes when they had the dominant car.
Then you have max as the main driver who is difficult to like. Throws marginal lunges on corners but again moans if someone does the same etc.
(Though out of the race car and chatting to other drivers he has some good moments like him and Landon taking the p@## out of each other)
Nice couple of vids here for aero nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80LTEWnahA
The whole channel is worth a watch if you dig this kind of detail.
So, Alphatauri to be Boss or Boss Orange next year, and, allegedly, could run this year's Red Bull!
So red bull created a jet without a turbine/ air ramm to help propel their car with greater downforce leaving the requirement of a smaller wing and therefore higher speed whilst at the same time providing a turbulent disadvantage for anyone following their cars?
Very clever.
Much as dislike RB you have to take your hat off to the for coming up with the best car by a mile. It’s upto the rest of the field, especially Merc, Ferrari and AM to catch up. It’s the cost cap that makes that harder for them to do. But I always thought the cost cap is silly. You dont do f1 cheap
So red bull created a jet without a turbine/ air ram to help propel their car with greater downforce leaving the requirement of a smaller wing and therefore higher speed whilst at the same time providing a turbulent disadvantage for anyone following their cars?
Well the theory is nothing new. Similar effect was noted in WW2 with the radiator set up on P51 Mustangs.
The Meredith effect.
Worked for all fighters with rads that poked out in to the airstream. I think the first Spittys also benefitted from it.
The Meredith effect isn't why the Red Bull is so fast, it's been understood since before F1 existed, all the teams know how to design cooling systems. The Red Bull has much more efficient downforce from ground effect, it's much more tolerant of ride height changes so they don't need to run super stiff suspension and don't suffer from the bouncing problems that other teams did. The diffuser and beam wing have been designed to interact with the main wing so that enabling DRS also cut drag from the underfloor airflow. That DRS effect is why the Red Bulls can pass other cars so easily.
thols2
The diffuser and beam wing have been designed to interact with the main wing so that enabling DRS also cut drag from the underfloor airflow. That DRS effect is why the Red Bulls can pass other cars so easily.
I have heard this mentioned several times, but have no idea how it works in practice? Any ideas?
The main wing flap that opens when DRS is enabled, is so far from those other components I struggle to see how they have managed an interaction, or does DRS do more than just opening that wing flap?
I have heard this mentioned several times, but have no idea how it works in practice?
There's a bit about it here...
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-red-bulls-triple-drs-trick/
stumpy01
I have heard this mentioned several times, but have no idea how it works in practice? Any ideas?
The main wing flap that opens when DRS is enabled, is so far from those other components I struggle to see how they have managed an interaction, or does DRS do more than just opening that wing flap?
sorry to post the same channel again but B Sport has a good video on it here
The Meredith effect isn’t why the Red Bull is so fast
I don't think anyone is suggesting that it is. It's just another interesting detail about the car's aerodynamics that they're clearly exploiting. I imagine that some of the other teams are doing similar.
sorry to post the same channel again but B Sport has a good video on it here
This was great, thanks for posting!
Great, thanks for The-Race link and the YT vid 👍
I've seen some suggestions on Twitter that F1 are considering a ban on DRS usage during qualifying. Seems like a good idea, it's supposed to be an overtaking aid so should never have been used in quali.
Seen that too - but it will make no difference to Max. In that car even if he's not on pole he'll still sail through and win. To me it shouldn't even be an overtaking aid - just promotes a 'I'll wait for the DRS zone' approach amongst drivers.
They'll have to do something to keep the US interest though - F1 tickets for sale in Costco now!... 🙂
Massa's started action for compensation.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/motor-sports/motor-racing-massas-lawyers-seek-compensation-lost-2008-f1-title-2023-08-17/
Seems a lot more plausible than having the actual result overturned.
Massa’s started action for compensation.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/motor-sports/motor-racing-massas-lawyers-seek-compensation-lost-2008-f1-title-2023-08-17/
Seems a lot more plausible than having the actual result overturned.
If that one's successful, then I can think of another case that would be worth a try
Has a no win no fee lawyer sweet talked him into this! Not a chance this will go anywhere and he’ll be more out of pocket.
I can’t imagine a win here. They’d have to prove Bernie said what he did and then prove that there was evidence to support it from 15years ago, when Bernie and Mosley controlled everything, without oversight or regulation. This is going to come down to he said, she said and Bernie will play the 92y old codger unless he really wants to screw Hamilton and McLaren, which is a possibility.
Surely they'd also need to prove that none of the subsequent races would have been affected if the Singapore result hadn't stood, otherwise Flipoy wouldn't necessarily have won the title anyway.
They’d have to prove Bernie said what he did
That won't be too difficult....he says it in the Lucky! documentary 🙄
1. Everyone knew that the crash was suspicious, but proving it was deliberate required Piquet to confess. Bernie saying he "knew" doesn't mean anything if they didn't have strong enough evidence to disqualify Renault.
2. From that news article: "Massa failed to score after a bungled pitstop." So, if Alonso was disqualified, then Hamilton would have scored more points and Massa would still have scored zero.
My feeling is that Massa is well liked and everyone recognizes that he was very unlucky to not win that championship, but I don't see this achieving anything useful.
It’s absolute pish. What do they have done? Say that Renault should be disqualified from the race? Now Hamilton wins the championship by three points. I can’t see how Massa can expect “recognition that, but for those unlawful acts, he would have been awarded the 2008 Championship”—it doesn’t make any sense.
If Massa wants to sue anyone he should probably sue Ferrari for making a donkey’s arse of the pit stop.
But then I guess you’d get half of Maranello’s drivers from at least the last 20 years queuing up to claim damages for having their title challenges fumbled by one department or another at Ferrari.
Jennie Gow is coming back to R5 for the next race 😊
Great news. That's a decent recovery!
I bet it's very tiring for her at the moment still!
Bernie states the the race should’ve been cancelled - that this was part of the sporting code of governance at the time.
Under those circumstances, Massa would’ve won the title.
Bernie states the the race should’ve been cancelled – that this was part of the sporting code of governance at the time.
It wasn't cancelled. It's like Abu Dhabi 2021 - the race officials made decisions, a winner was declared, points awarded, time to move on.
What happened in Abu Dhabi 2021?
😉
What happened in Abu Dhabi 2021?
A worldclassincident
Okay Zandvort time! Predictions? Hard to look beyond Verstappen for me.
Mercedes seem to be having a bit of fun with this post (but how good would a hamilton win be, on Verstappens home ground?!)
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1694281204193804490
Daffy
Full MemberBernie states the the race should’ve been cancelled – that this was part of the sporting code of governance at the time.
Under those circumstances, Massa would’ve won the title.
Bernie Ecclestone in "talking utter shite to get a reaction then later pretending not to remember saying it" shocker 😉
There is no such rule. Renault could have had points docked, DQd or time penalty added. There is nothing in the rules to allow the entire race to be declared null for this offence.
Missed Apex ran the numbers and of all the possible outcomes, there are none in which Massa finishes ahead of Hamilton, in fact he mostly finishes further back in the WDC because for example DQing or adding a time penalty for Alonso moves Hamilton up to 2nd, but Massa only up to 12th, therefore still out of the points.
Does that include if Renault are thrown out of the championship and the points are allocated?
P20
Full MemberDoes that include if Renault are thrown out of the championship and the points are allocated?
I think that was one of the scenarios discussed. Have to listen back to double check.
Cheers 👍🏻
Eitherway I can’t see this coming to anything
Okay Zandvort time! Predictions? Hard to look beyond Verstappen for me.
My prediction...
...I'll be asleep before the end of lap 4!! 🤣 😴
Over the last few weeks there's been constant rumblings over Lewis's contract, and more recently Stroll's position in the sport (latest is he's taking up tennis professionally!)...
...could Stroll Snr be getting his cheque book out to reunite Lewis and Fernando for their bromance career swan-song as best buddies! 🙂
Haaahahaha Hammy + Alonso back together!? Now that really would be silly season!
That would be very amusing to watch that unfolded. Drive to Survive could probably do a whole spin off show just on them two.
Surely it would make Aston Martin the F1 equivalent of Eastbourne? It’d be Red Bull versus Horlicks.
Oh man, looks like Ricciardo has hurt his hand or wrist, during his crash trying to avoid the stranded Mclaren.
Out with a broken wrist, Lawson in
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1034024/1/ricciardo-ruled-out-dutch-gp-broken-wrist-lawson-replace-him
could Stroll Snr be getting his cheque book out to reunite Lewis and Fernando for their bromance career swan-song as best buddies!
oh, how i hope this to be true.
lance can save face.
Snr can then sell his team to andretti (is it andretti?) and make even more money.
the only folk who lose on the arrangement would be lewis or fernando and their respective fans.
could be a best 2 of 3 seasons. would certainly up my interest in F1.
Surely it would make Aston Martin the F1 equivalent of Eastbourne? It’d be Red Bull versus Horlicks.
very good.
then put max in the team to race the winner.
give the fans what they want!
