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And Lando's race lid is absolute class. What a lovely thing to do.


 
Posted : 30/07/2020 11:04 pm
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And Lando’s race lid is absolute class. What a lovely thing to do.

This....so much better than all the those over designed things that look the same


 
Posted : 30/07/2020 11:12 pm
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I hope it's damp. Perez is poor in the wet, much worse than Stroll, and Hulk is pretty good.

If the Hulk can get his first podium after his career has effectively ended that would be a consolation.


 
Posted : 31/07/2020 8:57 am
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Last I read last night is Perez tested +ve for Covid and The Hulk might get his seat instead for at least this race.


 
Posted : 31/07/2020 9:25 am
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How can you not like Carlos Sainz!


 
Posted : 31/07/2020 10:57 am
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Good to see Hulk in the Tracing Point, a podium for him would be amazing.


 
Posted : 31/07/2020 2:45 pm
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What would be ironic is if Hulk finally gets on the podium but then Renault (his former team) win their protest and his result is disqualified.


 
Posted : 31/07/2020 3:07 pm
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Yay!! Just realised that this race is live in full on Ch4! Whoopie do!!!!


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 11:28 am
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What a lap! 3 tenths ahead of bottas. Pleased for norris and Russell as well.

Poor showing from vettel again.


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 4:10 pm
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ol' Horner thought they would be 0.3 in it on the softs LOL


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 4:13 pm
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Merc are really taking the p**s. They run around q1/2/3 engines turned to eco mode to keep everyone interested and probably give Tracing point strat mode to makie it look closer than it is. Quite frankly its begining to be a bore fest. The shining light is Norris squeezing every ounce of performance out of the car.


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 4:25 pm
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are the mercs using Das? gone strangely quiet


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 4:27 pm
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ol’ Horner thought they would be 0.3 in it on the softs LOL

yeah over double that in the end to bottas let alone Hamilton!

Wonder how long they'll give albon the benefit of the doubt...


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 4:28 pm
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Merc are really taking the p**s.

this is a direct consequence of Ferrari's fuel flow shenanigans, mercedes had to push so hard to compete with and beat an illegal car It's now left them with an unassailable advantage.


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 5:17 pm
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Very impressive from Russell, a second quicker than his teammate in Q2. Vettel looked scrappy throughout; I know the car’s light on downforce and a bit of a handful, but even so… Huge difference between the Red Bulls as well; real shame for Albon, as he put in some top class overtakes last year and it’ll be a shame if he’s not able to bring that to the sharp end of a race.


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 8:27 pm
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5 place grid drop for russell


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 8:54 pm
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Merc are really taking the p**s.

Endlessly amusing that "high rake" is the golden ticket and the only team that don't follow that blueprint are going to win the constructors for the 7th time in a row.

But, but, HIGH RAKE!!!


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 9:02 pm
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But, but, HIGH RAKE!!!

One of the c4 commentators remarked during practice that Mercedes appear to be running a higher rake this weekend.

Still not as extreme as red bull, but headed in that direction.


 
Posted : 01/08/2020 11:30 pm
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Surely they can’t just crack up the rake? The rest of the aero must be altered to make it work well?


 
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Surely they can’t just crack up the rake? The rest of the aero must be altered to make it work well?

Yep, it's an intrinsic part of the whole car design.

Mercedes may well be running higher rake, than normal, but this is relatively speaking.

The issue, I'd have thought, with high rake cars is that the aero under the car liable to be far more flaky than air through and over the top. I'm sure it works amazingly in the wind tunnel, but cranking it up on track with suspension movement, direction changes, etc, means that it may not have the drivers confidence. Any interruption in the flow could mean the whole floor losing down force - the higher the rake the bigger the potential gain but less room for error. A lot more detail to the fluid dynamics of it but remembering back to my mech eng days and how sensitive ground effect wings where compared to regular aerofoil wings!

Anyway, waffle over!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 1:14 pm
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Endlessly amusing that “high rake” is the golden ticket and the only team that don’t follow that blueprint are going to win the constructors for the 7th time in a row.

I seem to remember a secret aerodynamicist article on the BBC website where they were saying that, apart from Merc, most of the other teams copied the high rake philosophy from red bull without really understanding it because they assumed if Adrian Newey was doing it it must be 'right'. Not really looking that way right now!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 1:29 pm
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After all that, Nico Hulkenberg doesn’t even get to start! Lady Luck owes him big time!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 3:11 pm
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Tyre carnage!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:41 pm
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Well this is an unexpected finish


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:41 pm
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Lucky boy...


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:42 pm
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Bugger me!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:46 pm
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Woah!


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:48 pm
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Squeaky bum time 🤪


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:49 pm
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I think LH has taken all Hulk's good luck.


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 4:52 pm
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Want to see how Ricciardo got past Norri S - I assume lando got stymied when sainz punctured?


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 5:08 pm
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Could LH have crossed the finish line in the pit lane? IIRC the pit entry to the finish line is much shorter than the actual track (to the point that in laps aren’t counted for the fastest lap) plus less risk as only one corner, not that it matters now, but still.


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 5:20 pm
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nerves of bloody steel to have his foot planted down the hangar straight.


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 6:04 pm
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Could LH have crossed the finish line in the pit lane?

Schumacher won the Britsh GP from the pit lane with the assistance of some very dodgy stewards in the late 90's.

Ferrari brought Schumacher in for a stop go penalty on the last lap but their pit box was after the line. The stewards were going to add 10 seconds to the time but mclaren protested because that's less than the 25 seconds a stop go should have cost and meant Schumacher still won.

Ferrari then escaped all penaltys on a technicality because the stewards took too long to reach a formal decision.

The stewards were sacked and I'm pretty sure that finishing the race in the pit lane is now classed as retirement as a result.


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 7:10 pm
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Merc are really taking the p**s. They run around q1/2/3 engines turned to eco mode to keep everyone interested and probably give Tracing point strat mode to makie it look closer than it is. Quite frankly its begining to be a bore fest

With respect, I think you should be aiming your anger at the scuderia and red bull that aren’t doing a good enough job.
F1 is a meritocracy, if you want evenly matched cars, watch Indycar, IMO

Doesn’t make for great racing (for victory) but I doff my cap to toto and his merc team, greatest F1 team of all time?


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 7:27 pm
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Can someone remind me why Grosjean is still in F1? He's a likeable character but is dangerous on track.

As for Merc winning everything so far, it's not Merc's fault that Ferrari bet the entire farm on carrying over the most potent engine on the grid, only to fall foul of the fuel flow rules. Leclerc drove well to bring it home in third, he's clearly driving a different car to Vettel. Red Bull too have a handful of a car that's costing Albon dearly, I reckon that it'll be a couple more races yet before the team address whatever glitch is hobbling them.


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 8:09 pm
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Bonkers. If only the preceding 50 laps had been anything like as action-packed. Anyone joining me in a rain dance this week?

On a weird tangent, anyone else notice the correlation between not taking the knee and wearing a mask?


 
Posted : 02/08/2020 10:59 pm
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...only to fall foul of the fuel flow rules.

That makes it sound like an innocent misunderstanding... 🙂

First race I watched live in yonks - awesome, what a finale! 🙂


 
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it’s not Merc’s fault that Ferrari bet the entire farm on carrying over the most potent engine on the grid, only to fall foul of the fuel flow rules.

Two points:
i) As above, they didn't "fall foul", they got caught cheating with an engine that was deliberately not compliant with the rules. The only reason they weren't severely punished was the authorities couldn't definitively prove what they were doing.

ii) Having chosen to go down that route, they lost years of engine development because their engine and car is optimized for an illegal level of fuel flow. That means that the combustion chamber design and cooling are not optimized for the legal fuel flow level, so all of the engine development done around that fuel flow level needs to be scrapped and redone.


 
Posted : 03/08/2020 1:36 am
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The other side of Hols point above is that it forced Mercedes to begin development of a more powerful engine to close the power gap to Ferrari. It worked AND Ferrari went backwards, so Mercedes effectively moved two steps ahead. In addition, Ferrari’s aero package for 2020 was designed around that engine power in a car with say 1000bhp, thus it had enough power to generate the correct downforce whilst maintaining speed. Now, they can either generate downforce OR speed, but not both. For someone such as Seb who likes a stable car with smooth power delivery, driving something so twitchy and jarring, must be very difficult.


 
Posted : 03/08/2020 10:24 pm
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I could imagine a big cheque book coming out to make that issue disappear (if indeed it is an issue)


 
Posted : 03/08/2020 11:15 pm
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I could imagine a big cheque book coming out to make that issue disappear (if indeed it is an issue)

Thing is Carlos Slim who is Perez backer could buy and sell Stroll 25 times over.


 
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