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I guess thats a comprehensive case for considering Button then. The 2011 Canada race had it all including the quote " What was he doing?".
Why not read up on the double diffuser controversy and Brawn, the teams technical representative who covered up the double diffuser and managed to keep it hidden until the other teams caught wind/caught up. After Buttons massive lead early in the season as soon as the DD's cover was blown his lead eroded from then on.
As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.
A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Why not read up on the double diffuser controversy and Brawn, the teams technical representative who covered up the double diffuser and managed to keep it hidden until the other teams caught wind/caught up. After Buttons massive lead early in the season as soon as the DD's cover was blown his lead eroded from then on.As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.
A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Its widely acknowledged by anyone with a modicum of knowledge Brawns lead was eroded as they had zero funds available to develop the car. The car that started the season then was developed very little apart from the parts Honda had already funded in development steps for the coming season.
As for Alonso he has been pretty unfortunate with team moves where as lulu has been fortunate. Badly advised or taking chances who knows.
Lulu?
As for Alonso. I'm not convinced. A good driver most definitely.A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
Senna? 😯
No doubting alonso's driving ability IMO, one of the greats. Outside the car is questionable, he seems very disruptive, except in a team run by flav
Senna?
Senna's career was hampered somewhat.
He'd have won in the Williams. Probably more than once.
Senna was hampered by a wayward Williams in '94 as they struggled to go back to a mechanical setup after having invested heavily in the active programme. Senna actually was getting the car to do things well beyond it's capabilities for the few races he drove it.
Except in a team run by Flav?..
No comment.
Senna was hampered by a wayward Williams in '94 as they struggled to go back to a mechanical setup
Yet Hill still managed to get within a whisker of the title.
Senna would have romped away with it. He would have made a lot more fuss about the Benneton cheating too.
Mercedes could bring Sutil back to F1 and get these two lovebirds back together.
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A great driver wins titles in more than one Marque.
That eliminates Sebestian Vettel, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark, Mika Hakkinen, as well as Senna and Alonso. Plus, of course, anyone who only won a single championship, such as Hunt, Mansell, Button, either of the Rosbergs, etc.
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more, maybe the team just worked for him. However his results post 2nd win? Senna? Who knows? Death robbed him of that title with Williams. Was he pushing too hard?
Being a gifted drivers, one of the greats however the best for me win in more that one Marque, luck/getting into and developing the best car for that season- doing that in a new alien team again? = the greatest for me.
I grundgingly put Schumacher up there with Prost (see his list of 2nds etc?). If Lewis goes into another team and wins titles with three constructors I'd call him the greatest of them all.
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more
You can imagine anything you like, but it didn't happen. If things went just slightly differently, Alonso would be a four time champion with three different teams. That didn't happen though so there's no point speculating about it.
That didn't happen though so there's no point speculating about it.
Quite. If you were to get into that sort of game then Hamilton could be a five times world champ, instead of three, because it was so close in 2007 and 2016. Or conversely he's only a two time world champ, because Massa got it for longer than 39 seconds in 2008. But none of those things happened, and it's the same margin of luck for everyone.
Yet Hill still managed to get within a whisker of the title.
They had a new suspension design that sorted out the foibles of the original one by Barcelona, car was first class after that 😀
Agreed Senna would have A: won and B: put Benneton's cheating into touch.
There's a joke doing the rounds about Wolff's new driver academy being run by his wife, you can make the rest up yourselves as I don't want to risk a ban 😆 😳 😈
Jim Clark- you could say he would have won more, maybe the team just worked for him. However his results post 2nd win?
Seriously? Lotus were gash in '66, and he got third in '67 even retiring from 5 out of the eleven races (and he had a reputation as being very gentle on cars - his team mate retired eight times that year). He won the maximum possible championship points in a season twice and lead 71.47% of the laps in 1963, and he also holds the record for most Grand Slams, taking pole, fastest lap, race win and leading every lap of the race in 8 races. He won 25 races (from 72 starts, all in fragile Lotusi!), a record that wasn't beaten for almost twenty years when drivers had five more races per season, and only two drivers have a better starts-to-win percentage. Hard to imagine a driver who died at 32 winning MUCH more...
I agree, Jim Clark for me is untouchable as one of the true greats.
I'm no Hamilton fan but the scribblers really like do make the most of every word and add the pictures to accentuate, regardless of what might have actually been said ...... of course they might be entirely accurate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38287284
I used to be a big fan of Hamilton, I'm still in awe of his speed when he's in form. Problem is that he behaves childishly and says silly things, and doesn't seem grateful to MB for providing a nearly unbeatable car. He seemed to just lose interest at the start of the year and let Rosberg get a big points lead, but then seemed to spend all his energy blaming other people instead of focusing on doing his job. Once he did start focusing, he was back to being awesome, but it was too late. Yes, he had engine problems, but that doesn't explain his slump at the start of the year. Of course the press play up every word he says, but he does seem to provide them with plenty of ammunition.
watching with interest 🙂
Bottas/ Massa now being reported by the BBC
Some interesting insight into Ron's unseemly departure from F1, and stuff -
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/roebuck-and-brundles-christmas-lunch
I could read Roebuck all day and all night and all next day. 😀
I guess the deal is done other than Merc's personal terms with Bottas otherwise they'd have been loath to get rid of Pat Symonds. Probably Williams have done the deal for Paddy Lowe and cheaper engines and then Mercedes have to make Bottas (and Lewis) happy.
That Nigel Roebuck article is indeed excellent! 🙂
[url= http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/12/21/ron-dennis-in-the-frame-to-takeover-at-manor/ ]Is Ron coming back?[/url]
Is Ron coming back?
Probably just clickbait. I have a lot of respect for what Ron achieved, but I think it's time for him to move on. Reminds me of Tom Walkinshaw. His accomplishments were impressive, but he was such an utter prick that nobody wanted to do business with him and he ended up destroying everything that he'd built.
Wehrlein to Sauber...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-agrees-wehrlein-deal-for-f1-2017-862405/
...and Bottas visited Mercedes factory before Xmas.
Is Bottas the new Heikki Kovalainen?
Is Bottas the new Heikki Kovalainen?
We should be able to work that out well before mid-season! 😀
Manor on the verge of going under, and others in serious trouble if recent rumours are true...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/manor-s-formula-1-future-in-doubt-863375/
Ron Dennis is supposed to [url= https://motorsport.clickon.co/2016/12/22/ron-dennis-considering-bid-buy-manor-racing/ ]save them[/url] once he's done with [url= http://www.****/news/article-4090144/I-ve-paid-money-David-Beckham-furious-bust-former-F1-boss-Ron-Dennis-New-Year-s-Eve-party-seating-plan-rude-money-jibe.html ]putting David Beckham in his place.[/url]
Manor on the verge of going under, and others in serious trouble if recent rumours are true...
Who are the others? Sauber and FI?
Manor now in administration.
I hope there are some vultures circulating that can pick them up at a bargain price and keep them going. Ron Dennis has been mentioned in recent weeks.
Is that just the F1 outfit or sports cars too? Ill go and googleManor now in administration.
Pretty sure they're not connected to the sports car team.
I would imagine the cost of producing a totally new car has done for them.
Found this too, another advantage of Brexit;
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12040/10719351/silverstone-considering-terminating-british-gp-contract
Interesting they state the 2016 (?) event fell short of budget
Pretty sure they're not connected to the sports car team.
Yup, thankfully the LMP2 set-up is a separate company run by the old bosses.
Sauber must be looking on pretty shaky ground - Poor results, minimal sponsorship, cost of developing a new car. I reckon at least 1 more team to suffer before the season starts.
The Silverstone issue is a tricky one - The BRDC knew what it was signing up to, and they knew how much the price was going to increase each year. Also there is no way any other UK track would be able to host F1, so Bernie is blatentley just stiring the pot again.
Sauber must be looking on pretty shaky ground
They have the prize money at least - circa 10M quid
Wonder what the people at Liberty are doing about those two things - neither are great PR for their recent investment. Their hands are tied in the short term due to all of BE's agreements but they can probably offer something favourable to any Manor saviour.
There was a load of tittle-tattle about Ferrari reviving the Alfa Romeo brand in F1, so this must be a perfect opportunity for that. THough they'd need to do a Brawn and shoehorn the Ferrari PU into a car designed around the Merc, which would be some feat in 2 months.
Silverstone are probably just kicking up a noise to open their negotiations one the deal with Liberty is completed.
Anyone remember the days of pre-qualifying? And that was when there were 26 spots on the grid too. Yeah some of the teams were proper shonky but that's surely better than the prospect of Ferrari, Merc etc running 3 cars each?
Looks like all the people who said that getting rid of the token system would enable Honda to completely redesign their engine architecture (presumably along the lines of something a bit more Mercedes shaped) were right:
http://www.pitpass.com/58124/Change-of-layout-for-Honda
maybe a different road to the size zero concept too. F1 2016 had a few battles and not having the scrap at the bottom will diminish the show. I'm a fan of manor and hope they stay and acore more points.
At least they didnt appoint the 2 bit shonky administrators that did Lotus ( look what happened to them!)
Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says that Lewis Hamilton's retirement at the Malaysian Grand Prix cost the Briton the title.
No sh*t Sherlock! It's getting worse than soccerball! 😀