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[quote=vinnyeh ]Italy, Hamilton starts from pole, 6th at end of first lap, ends up second to winner Rosberg.
ergo, Hamilton's [s]poor starts[/s] reliability issues cost him the title.
CBA checking the others, but in Italy at least the poor start was mostly the result of another mechanical issue.
[quote=nickc ]It was just luck how Lewis had such an unreliable car to Nico's
They both suffered 3 reliability issues throughout the season, you could argue that Hamilton's were more ill timed, but the idea that he had more isn't a real one
Are you sure about that? Where were Nico's 3 reliability issues? Not even counting Italy I'm seeing 5 for LH, and they certainly weren't equivalent in impact (there's no argument at all about that - I can't even remember Nico having a mechanical problem, they were clearly of such little magnitude).
re you sure about that? Where were Nico's 3 reliability issues?
He had brake overheating at Singapore and held off Ricciardo for the win, at Russia he had MGU-K issues that meant the engine was rubbish, the same 'settings' issues at Baku that Hamilton had (he managed to fix it faster than LH did), and gearbox issues at Silverstone. That's just off the top of my head. I think he had some practice and qualifying failures as well.
Does it matter? The championship is won by the driver who scores most points. Reliability, accidents, tactics, etc. are just as much a part of racing as is driving fast.
Tinfoil hats anyone? Ive got mine but it seems the Hamilton fans need to get theirs.
Agree the championship is over and move on. 2017 is going to be interesting on a driver and car front.
New colours for Mclaren and a new name for Manor?
No comment on RBR's new engine manufacturer then?
Bit a a car breaker that Hamilton. If he had some mechanical sympathy like Mr Rosberg he might have won the championship this year. 😉
Just another way of looking at it.
No comment on RBR's new engine manufacturer then?
It's Renault - just as was this season. Far too late in next year's cars development stage to change now.
Woops, yes you're right, my bad! Was getting confused :/
Niki is still deluded it seems:
[quote=Lauda ]we had the quickest driver set-up over the last three years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38199637
aracer -
Niki is still deluded it seems:
The team won drivers and constructors for the last three years, not easy to improve on that.
I'm not sure you've understood what he's claiming there
What is he saying aracer ?
He's saying they had the quickest drivers. Why what else do you think he means by "the quickest driver set-up"?
I translated that into "car" but I confess I am not a close follower of F1.
I do believe I will be proven right that even a mid ranking driver is going to finish 2nd in the Mercedes. I am not sure Hamilton could cope with a top driver regularly challenging / beating him.
Just seen this
Maybe his decision shouldn't have come as such a surprise
Edit: oh that doesn't seem to work
That is an excellent clip and both of them come out well from it.
Nor the teamI am not sure Hamilton could cope with a top driver regularly challenging / beating him.
The reality is the car will win the championship so what they need is a Number 1 driver and a back up who will win if No 1 does not
In general, they are all so competitive they cannot be anythign other than tension when your teammate is your only rival as your car is so much better than the rest
Agreed that's an excellent clip, it seems so much more pertinent now in light of Rosberg's retirement!
Not sure if it's been said already, but my money would be on Wehrlein to Williams and Bottas to Mercedes.
Pascal gets to move up the grid and Bottas brings experience and consistency.
Rosberg looks utterly broken in that clip, Lewis already focusing on 2017...
Rosberg looks utterly broken in that clip
No he doesn't. I admire his honesty, the pressure must have been enormous as he said. He was also very complementary about Lewis.
It was in no way a slight against him-just an observation of how they both looked. He looked destroyed to me though by the pressure of it all...
[quote=the-muffin-man ]my money would be on Wehrlein to Williams and Bottas to Mercedes
I've certainly seen Bottas suggested as the most likely replacement for Rosberg (not on here). The only question is whether he's too good, and likely to cause tension in the team - I appreciate he doesn't seem to be mentioned as one of the top drivers any more, but is that down to not having a competitive car the last couple of years?
Sounds like the most likely option at this stage.
Williams get a big chunk of cash.
Bottas will get a good haul of points throughout the year and is too laid back to ruffle to many feathers. Fast enough to push Hamilton but not beat him on a regular basis. Wehrlein cheap/free to Williams and will do a solid job until things change at Merc.
Would love to know how much Alonso is trying to get out of his contract
Not sure he could cope with a top driver beating him?
Most drivers go off the boil or lose their edge when it's a big gap between titles.
What did Lewis do? Came back and won two on the trot.
He went through a phase of crashing alot, being beaten by a good but not exceptional team mate, then Vettel.
So I think he's been there, done that and smacked down two more world titles.
What more do you need? Hes already in too form, better than anyone and finally with the team having to back him. Let's see how many more races he wins.
Like I said do people actually watch F1 on stw? It'd be like me commentating on Man Utd. I can see with eyes but my brain doesn't understand the game.
I've certainly seen Bottas suggested as the most likely replacement for Rosberg (not on here).
I've probably seen the same source; Toto has an interest in Bottas' management, so he obviously rates him.
Wehrlein is also seen as arrogant and self centered. I'm not sure Merc need another one of those...
[quote=Chew ]Would love to know how much Alonso is trying to get out of his contract
I thought he had a break clause (hence why they're retaining Button) - though that would depend on Merc actually wanting to pair him with LH. It would certainly be interesting - Alonso seems to be a lot more laid back than he was in 2007, and LH probably is too.
Most champions win because there are in a championship car and usually one that is capable winning the constructor championship. Yes there have been occasions when the WDC is won by a team and another wins WCC.
I think Schumacher came back and won a boat load of titles after a gap in his titles. The main difference is he built a team around him to build a championship car and had a clear number 2. Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel etc.. give them a championship winning car and they will win it. As seen this year the driver cant win the championship without a decent car no matter how good some people think they are ( Hamilton in his engine eating Merc)
Not sure if it's been said already, but my money would be on Wehrlein to Williams and Bottas to Mercedes
A very neat solution! It would leave Williams with two inexperienced drivers though
It would leave Williams with a lot more money which may be more important for them.
Thinking about it I do wonder about the discussion at Merc:
- we should get Bottas
- but what if he ends up being really quick and causing trouble within the team again?
- that's fine, I'm sure we can cope with that
- why don't we just get Alonso then?
Not sure he could cope with a top driver beating him?Most drivers go off the boil or lose their edge when it's a big gap between titles.
What did Lewis do? Came back and won two on the trot.
He went through a phase of crashing alot, being beaten by a good but not exceptional team mate, then Vettel.
So I think he's been there, done that and smacked down two more world titles.
What more do you need? Hes already in too form, better than anyone and finally with the team having to back him. Let's see how many more races he wins.
Like I said do people actually watch F1 on stw? It'd be like me commentating on Man Utd. I can see with eyes but my brain doesn't understand the game.
Im glad to see someone watches F1 rather than just reading the headlines.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Bit embarrassing for the bloke who won it? In a sense.
Yes he (Nico) beat the best. He isn't rated to best though. These are team managers who are very much 360degrees in the business.
Any idea how often the Team Managers Top Driver hasn't been the World Champion?
Yes he (Nico) beat the best. He isn't rated to best though. These are team managers who are very much 360degrees in the business.
I think if you asked Nico if he felt he was a better driver than Lewis he'd probably disagree.
Most F1 drivers believe they are the best while they are in the car but its amazing the perspective that they gain after stepping out of the cockpit.
I've seen interviews with people like Hill, Coulthard, and Webber where they admit they had better team mates or rivals. I think Nico would probably admit Lewis is a more talented driver but he triumphed through a bit of good fortune and a singular focus once he realised 2016 was "his year"
Mercedes are considering Alonso,
[url= http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-considering-alonso-as-rosberg-s-replacement-857232/ ]Motorsport[/url]
Because last time a team gave equality parity to strong two team members in a strong car it ended up with a certain Kind mugging them by one point...
I get the feeling that Wolff really doesn't like Lewis.
Because last time a team gave equality parity to strong two team members in a strong car it ended up with a certain Kind mugging them by one point...
And one of them walked down the pitlane and said "You should see the big book I've seen on Ron's desk labelled 'Ferrari MegaTopSecret' "
"Third best driver wins championship" shocker.
If I was a betting man I'd put money on Button, he's sort of semi-available and I think that if he was offered a dominant car like Mercedes then he'd quite quickly forget all of his reservations regarding continuing in the sport 🙂
As much as I'd like to see Button in that seat the Bottas/Wehrlein swap seems most likely IMO. I can't see Alonso and Hamilton ever being teammates again. Vettel is probably the only other top guy badly wanting out of his current seat and I don't see that's a serious prospect.
If I was a betting man I'd put money on Button, he's sort of semi-available and I think that if he was offered a dominant car like Mercedes then he'd quite quickly forget all of his reservations regarding continuing in the sport
Except with totally new cars in play for next year there's no guarantee the car will be dominant and he could be signing up for another season of frustration.
MrSalmon - Member....... Vettel is probably the only other top guy badly wanting out of his current seat and I don't see that's a serious prospect
Vettel is a non starter, he'd never sign a contract that left him equal with his team mate.
It's getting exciting isn't it? 🙂
Kamui Kobayashi is free!
so is Felipe Nasr