Has Nico ever caught, passed, and driven away from Lewis?
Hamilton on pole, Australian Bahrain and Italian GP, winner was Rosberg in all three
so yeah, he has.
He wont ever win it without LH having bad luck as he is not the faster of the two of them
And yet, that exactly what he has been [i]this year[/i]. Nico is clearly not as good empirically as Hamilton. This year he's pulled a rabbit out of the hat. That's it, and he should be applauded for that.
Hamilton on pole, Australian Bahrain and Italian GP, winner was Rosberg in all three
All down due to Lewis bogging down at the start!* Not the same as chasing down and passing. The times he got close to passing his steering seemed to fail. 😉
(*another car issue that took months to sort out).
There's a few people on here that don't watch F1
😯And yet, that exactly what he has been this year
are you his dad?
haha, god I sound like it... 😆
I just think he's played a blinder this year against a team-mate that most people agree is one of the best GP drivers. Fair play to him.
that's it really.
At the risk of sounding repetitive, the [i]only[/i] qualifying criteria for being a deserving world champion is having the most points at the end of the year.
How about Hill in the Williams? His team-mate made him look a bit second best.
Prost (the four time world champion against Damo in his first season) and Senna (with just the three crowns)? Prost's 12 podiums in '93 compared to Damon's 10, Senna we can't compare, Hill beat DC in '95 by 20 points with one less retirement, and in '96 he beat Villeneuve by 19 with one [i]more[/i] retirement. I think it's a bit harsh to say anyone else in a Williams made Damon look a bit second best.
Yep. If Coulthard hadn't had outrageous mechanical luck that year he'd have won. But he didn't.
Genuine question - which year are you on about?
People still remember keke as a wdc, but not the fact he only just beat pironi despite pironi having a massive crash and missing the last third of the season. Keke only won a single race too, so in many ways could be called a less deserving wdc than Nico ever would be. The detail of the title will be lost over time, but the winner will always be a world champion.
See now, I'd say the details are massively important, I suspect you already know - Keke was the last atmo world champion of the eighties turbo era, so was racing with, what, 520 horsepower max against 600 or more (in race trim) for the turbo cars, no-one won more than two races that year (and there were eleven different winners!), and Pironi crashed out of Hockenheim running unnecessary hot laps in rain with terrible visibility having already qualified a mile in front, hitting the back of a slow-moving Prost (he was on pole by just under than a second). A horrible, turbulent year, two drivers killed in GPs and those bloody horrible ground effect cars that everyone was glad to see the back of, not least the drivers.
"If Coulthard hadn't had outrageous mechanical luck that year he'd have won. But he didn't." Did you watch those races? Again some on this topic don't seem to watch F1. I watched all the races throughout the 90's onwards.
Hill was a double champ. I remember Johnny Herbert being sour grapes about Hill and I remember thinking Hill actually arrived too late.
[quote=captainsasquatch ]www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GWdS5RP0Q
I'm sure that Rosberg hasn't lost that much ability hora, the gap between their abilities isn't that huge.
And look neither car got scratched, so they're both better than me.
Can I check I've got this straight - you're using a race where a different strategy and a well timed safety car put NR on much faster tyres in a position to attack LH as an example of his skill at wheel to wheel racing? Remind me who won...
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He wont ever win it without LH having bad luck as he is not the faster of the two of them
And yet, that exactly what he has been this year.
Let's just elaborate on this one. If you remove those races where LH has had a mechanical problem (not his fault) either in qualifying or the race, who has been the faster. You can also remove the races where NR has had mechanical problems if you like (of course the one race he didn't finish was all his own fault)...
BTW LH lost 25 points to NR at Baku and Singapore combined, not the 50 you seem to be suggesting? NR lost 26 points to LH at Austria and Germany combined following some classic NR racing at both.
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"If Coulthard hadn't had outrageous mechanical luck that year he'd have won. But he didn't." Did you watch those races? Again some on this topic don't seem to watch F1. I watched all the races throughout the 90's onwards.Hill was a double champ. I remember Johnny Herbert being sour grapes about Hill and I remember thinking Hill actually arrived too late.
Coulthard did have a lot of issues I recall, Monza, Spa, Silverstone... he'd have been up there for sure without car failures.
Hill was a double champ in what?
Hill was a double champ in what?
I think he's suggesting Shumacher is cheaty cheater...
I have a lot of time for Hill; I think he is an understated, quality driver.
But even he admits that if Senna had not died, then he would not have won the championship when he did. Neither would Schumacher.
So luck plays as big a part for and against all drivers. When it's not going your way, you have to just suck it up.
But even he admits that if Senna had not died, then he would not have won the championship when he did. Neither would Schumacher.
Senna was already 20 points back after 2 rounds, not exactly a shoe-in for the Championship
Once Williams remembered how to set a car up without active ride, it was the class of the field. Only bettered occasionally by the illegal Bennetton.
Senna would have easily made up that deficit.
"If Coulthard hadn't had outrageous mechanical luck that year he'd have won. But he didn't." Did you watch those races?
Religiously.
Nigel Roebuck's take on Ron's seppuku - Roebuck might just be my favourite writer of all time.
[url= http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/rons-way?utm_source=Ron&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Nigel ]Ron's way[/url]
In the MTC Ron liked every rooms temperature set to 21 degrees centigrade as it was his favourite temperature. Likewise apparently he had silk carpet in his office and it was hoovered every 2 hours!
"So, to revert to the specificity of your question, I'm not going to hypothesise about what might have happened had we done things differently, because I don't think there's anything specifically wrong with the way we've done things."
Don't know that I would have wanted to work for RD, but he did keep things interesting.
"That $100 million fine; $10 million is for what you did, $90 million is because you are a ****"
Whispered by Max Moseley to RD in front of the press. Fantastic.
So Zak Brown is the new Ron. He might have timed it just right to ride the upswing if Honda can deliver next year.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38086172 ]Honer has a dig[/url] 🙂 It's an interesting one for the last race will they (Redbull) risk cranking the engines upto 11 and try and make a race of it.
I see Jenny B has changed his tune about retiring - I'd have thought Ron's demise would have made him more likely to stay seeing as Ron didn't want him back in the first place, but maybe it's cause and effect with his recent lacklustre performances. he was broadly keeping pace with alonso for the first part of the year but since the whole sabbatical thing he's dropped off, then those poor showings affect his desire to stick with it so his motivation drops race by race etc etc.
I see Jenny B has changed his tune about retiring
I always took the sabatical talk to mean...
"If Alonso drives the 2017 car in testing and decides it's shite, he may walk away from F1 and Jenson is signed as a back-up"
...and with Alono's current temprament it may happen!
Even if that doesn't happen, in a somewhat strange situation for a driver "retiring" he's still reserve driver for next year, so there's a reasonable chance this won't be his last GP (the McLaren reserve driver has got a race both last year and this).
Rosberg to win?
Was hoping Lewis would do it but the odds are against him
Go Max! What have you got to lose??? 🙂
Go Seb! What have you got to lose?
Bugger 🙁
Mr boring and average gets to gloat for a year, all that false emotion and smugness will [i]really[/i] annoy me.
Cock!
Meh.
cheeky Vettel holds back in the end 🙂 .. well done Nico despite the best attempts of Hamilton
Interesting that Bernie tells the camera to go away befor he has a quiet word in Rosbergs ear. Conspiracy theorists unite.
Jambalaya to the thread!
Enjoy your one and only Championship Nico. You can't be that lucky again.
Obviously Hamilton didn't pay Vettel enough to take out Rosberg! What is the sport coming to?
Great (lack of) interaction between Hamilton and Rosberg. 😈
I wonder what Niki and Toto will say about Hamilton's disobedience.
I expect Hamilton won't really care what they say, he's just lost his title and they're not going to fire him, so apart from withholding pudding their options are limited.
I wonder what Niki and Toto will say about Hamilton's disobedience.
can't really say a lot, finished 1-2 and got them a lot more exposure than they usually get when they drive off into the distance.
Nice to see some genuine emotion from Nico lol. Actually quite pleased to see him win it, I do t think anyone could have worked harder for it!
Glad Nico is champ
There was the answer from Toto. Throw out the rule book. 🙂
Is jb a teensy bit tipsy?
Well done Nico. That must have had the pulse racing.
Good job Nico.
Finally Keke can enjoy another world title after missing out for so many years. 
Listening to Rosberg's interviews all I can hear is him moaning about Hamilton backing him up into the pack. If you're that good why didn't you just pass him?
Strange how we hear the same words differently.
I may be biased as I'm not a Rosberg fan 🙂
