Baby boomers all popping their clogs.
Not discounting any of the above, but surely the overriding factor has to be the glut of folk born post war 1945-1960ish are now at the age where they are becoming the majority of the statistics.
Do you think theres a link between yesterdays headline of record mortality rates and todays headline that NHS's record waiting lists have fallen a bit? 🙂
Not really, an overwhelemed health system in an unlocked down country would likely result in just the same issues
Far more really - and far less if we had actually locked down properly early enough. We ended up with a halfway house which led to both unnecessary deaths and restrictive measures that went on far longer than needed. Worst of both worlds
We ended up with a halfway house which led to both unnecessary deaths and restrictive measures that went on far longer than needed.
Boris's handling of the pandemic was to do the right thing... eventually. He wasn't leading, he was being dragged reluctantly and only acted once the clamour to do so made that ctions seem, to him, to be popular. He was always about two weeks behind the curve. Unfortunately it was an exponential curve.
Baby boomers all popping their clogs.
Not discounting any of the above, but surely the overriding factor has to be the glut of folk born post war 1945-1960ish are now at the age where they are becoming the majority of the statistics.
Theres increases right across the age range. Big increase in cardiovascular issues for blokes in their 50s for instance
Interesting and related Guardian article on Svante Paabo; the section on Neanderthal genes and Covid is fascinating.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jan/12/svante-paabo-interview-nobel-prize
"It was a shock, Pääbo stresses, to discover that people who have inherited a certain Neanderthal chromosome variant, were twice as likely to die of Covid if infected.
“Based on the official coronavirus mortality statistics and the prevalence of the risk variant, we can estimate that this Neanderthal variant is responsible for 1.1 million extra coronavirus deaths,” he says. The variant is most commonly found in southern Asia."
^^ As predictable as walking through dog sh*t in an alley.
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it’s almost like it’s been injected into people…
missed the point that unvaccinated more likely to die than vaccinated?
If you have had covid you are twice as likely to suffer a cardiovascular event within the next 12 months according to research
That’s regardless of how severe the infection was
Very sobering
There’s no probem with the health service in Pau but the crematoriums over the New Year were full to overflowing according friends with relatives among the dead. They’re not especially Covid or flu deaths, just people dying of old age issues among the tiny sample refered to.
Crematoria in this country tend to be 'full to overflowing' over most New Years here in the UK, and have been for many years. If you've ever been unlucky enough to have a loved one die during that period then you'll know how long a gap between death and the funeral. It may have got worse, but it's nothing new.
tjagain: "Far more really – and far less if we had actually locked down properly early enough."
The Swedes and the Chinese might beg to differ.
Sweden fared worse than comparable neighbours- eg Norway who locked down earlier
sweden did ultimately have to lock down eventually, by then their death toll was way worse than neighbours
China have failed to vaccinate fully, especially the elderly
Look to NZ or Australia for an example of how it can be done, if you can lock down really early and keep restrictions in place until vaccines are available
speaking of mental health, i was told by a police officer that the murder rate in the town where i live is at a record high and that it is domestic disputes driving the increase.
fatmountain. just look at international comparisons. The earlier and harsher the lockdown the less deaths and the shorter the restrictive measures needed to be.
We have one of the worst death rates precisely because of this
The earlier and harsher the lockdown the less deaths and the shorter the restrictive measures needed to be.
Didn't seem to work that wayb for China.
Sweden did OK on the excess deaths measure despite no stringent lockdowns.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-britains-covid-deaths/
Didn’t seem to work that wayb for China.
china failed to vaccinate properly
NZ & and Oz the other hand did
Sweden did OK on the excess deaths measure despite no stringent lockdowns.
not compared to similar demographic neighbours they didnt , closest probably Norway who fared much much better, & they still locked down in the end and had to close secondary schools etc
Didn’t seem to work that wayb for China.
china failed to vaccinate properly
And then having failed to vaccinate properly they just opened up their country overnight knowing they had bugger all herd protection and an under resourced health service....
And then having failed to vaccinate properly they just opened up their country overnight knowing they had bugger all herd protection and an under resourced health service….
Hasn't been that bad, last time I looked they only had 22 extra deaths due to Covid. Apparently.
Oz and NZ would have been a nightmare to live in. **** that and **** living in China; if I got offered a well-paid job there since there are many in my industry, there's no way could I tolerate living in a society like that and I'm amazed folks here would advocate that type of model. Ultimately that's down to personal belief between security and freedom, no matter what the statistics say. Anyways, didn't want to turn this into a 'virtues' of lockdown thread as that was already done to death elsewhere...
we know that 400 or 500 a week of them are due to queues in A&E which is down to bed blocking which is down to the collapse of social care
it’s almost like it’s been injected into people…
Shhh! The adults are talking.
tj, but this is happening across the EU, Japan, AZ, and the USA; it's also happening across all age groups. You'd expect these deaths to be more associated with older demographics. I assume judging by the YouTube comments that's what's driving this vaccine paranoia/fear and it ought to be addressed in order to shut them up.
Is it? To the same extent? In which case we are better off than they are as they are not killing folk off with overloaded hospitals
Youtube comments? you have been diving into that murky world?
it’s also happening across all age groups.
Not from the uk data I linked to before
You've also ignored the analysis that doris500 posted
How do you address it? The scientists that understand it are all 'in the employment of the government' and can't be trusted. Weight of public opinion is dismissed as sheeple. And some bloke with a youtube account and an opinion is held up as the one true authority.
We've circled this a million times, you can't reason with some people and it's not worth the electrons trying.
kimbers, I'm an idiot forgive me but according to these stats, younger people are dying at much higher rates. Happy to be corrected:
It started in Jan 2021. Why? Again, playing devils advocate:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
Seems to correlate perfectly with when the mass vaccination began. To my mad anti-vaxx friends and colleagues, how can I explain that?
As a sidenote, if you look at older demographics, does it not seem to correlate with the initial jabs and then boosters, perhaps indicating that for older people they indeed reduce death/serious illness for the first three months, then you see excess deaths creeping back up. Again, I've got no angle here, just curious.
To my mad anti-vaxx friends and colleagues, how can I explain that?
It won't matter what you say, how you explain it, how many stats you quote or who you quote.
They are just the antivax equvilant of flerthers.
Much more fun and just as productive to tell them that big pharma is now introducing mRNA derived yeast into beer production. Then suggest they best not touch it anymore. Beat them over the head with their own stupid I say.
It started in Jan 2021...Seems to correlate perfectly with when the mass vaccination began
Does it? Jan 21 is showing many COVID excess deaths, no non-COVID. We were in a COVID wave.
Then fewer than expected excess deaths for a while, then a mix of COVID/non-COVID, less than expected again, and then from Summer 22 we've seen the non-COVID deaths being reported now. Not surprising IMO with the 90-minute ambulance response times.
Anti-vaxxers, lol, I can't belive this is still even a thing.
Pro-vaxxers are still a thing? Wow.
FDA finally got around to publishing the data signals on the mRNA vaccine:
- Risk of lung clots up 50%
- Risk of heart attacks up 40%+
They knew the signals were there but didn't care
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22014931
Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post–COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
Undercover Video: Pfizer Scientist Expressed Concern Over Covid Vaccines Causing Heart Inflammation in 2021
https://thekylebecker.substack.com/p/undercover-video-pfizer-scientist
Misleading. Lancet reported some in rare cases of heart problems(concerning valves I think it was) This type of info is just being touted by the anti vaxx weirdos to be more than it actually is.
So hardly "Undercover" thats the type of language the weirdos like to use. In fact you can pretty much tell its a load of bollocks just from that type or terminology 🙄
I think overall the vaccine has made things better for millions of people. Even in over the counter drugs taken by millions every day for decades some problems have been reported of side effects. Look at statins for example.
Covid deaths are at nearly 7 million*, so I think given few of those are vaccine related we should place the vaccine as beneficial.
* We know some countries,China for example have under reported their figures, so the cases might be 10 million deaths.
FDA finally got around to publishing the data signals on the mRNA vaccine
Conclusion From your link.
FDA strongly believes the potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the potential risks of COVID-19 infection
Some people really aren't grown up enough to handle the Internet
Glad it wasn’t just me that read the posts, then the links and thought… “eh”
My theory / hunch on this is that we are seeing more die from long term exposure to traffic pollution ( all those diesel fumes from cars with cheat devices) - and the consequences of excessive alcohol consumption during lockdown. I of course have no evidence to support this!
My anecdotally based one is that for 2 years we had reduced interaction with wider population and myself & my kids were cold free ft or almost the entire time, while this year we've had loads of snotty noses and coughs and personally I've had flu just b4 xmas & covid just after it!
Ooops! Looks like a I put 20p in the metre. Sorry guys.
Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post–COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025/blockquote >Will this cartoon help?
Anecdotally, I think it's a number of things. 1. More folks have shielded themselves and their immunity to regular coughs colds flu etc is lower. 2. We're really struggling (in primary healthcare) to get back to the regular check ups that we offered folks with chronic conditions, and those people are getting sicker and they're coming in later when they're properly ill (often too late) and 3. Getting those folks to be seen quickly by a referral to specialist is taking longer and longer. 4. There's a large population of folks who're are elderly and frail who in normal times would "just about get by". For a variety of reasons - some of the above, others like cost of heating etc; aren't managing now.
BBC news just had a piece about statins with some cardiologist being interviewed, conversation moved to the excess deaths thing, and the doctor blamed the RNA vaccines 😐
Fuelling the fire 🤦
