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Is that a comedy rap tribute band?
More of a Welsh rap / Krautrock fusion thing.
It’s a good job for the CEO most of Brewdog’s investors don’t have any voting rights and a salutary lesson in why buying shares without voting rights is a bad idea.
However they are expecting to be floated later this year aren't they? Although all the recent press might change that
Wow. That second one comes with it's own shit caravan to go with the shit interior. All for a bargain 200k.
What a bunch of shysters.
Last time I buy their beer
Yeah, this my dilemma right now, I do like a great many of their beers, have no issues with colourful/garish branding, and have enjoyed going to their bar in St Andrews as a family, tasty foid, good service etc.
Thankfully my local shop seems to carry a decent range of Overton brewery stuff, always a good variety of seriously punchy IPAs to keep me entertained...
^^^ properties for sale - and conveniently close to a soon to be dualled A9.
Didn't know they'd bought the Kinrara estate. All a bit obfuscated if it's the company or individuals.
Frying pan and fire for the locals, eh.
Whenever I see any of these 'funkily' packaged cans of 'beer' I walk on by. I enjoy the graphics and have a smug chuckle at the people who would fall for it.
A triumph of marketing over substance. I wouldn't consider paying the money they want for an old school coca cola sized 330ml can of that.
I like a drink, more than I should. I like a nice ice cold 500ml can of Oranjeboom 8.5.
Far more taste, a lot more bang for your buck and a lot less bullshit.
Other opinions are available.
I particularly enjoyed the Squirrel punk Ipa video, it led me down a rabbit hole...
Brewdog to me feels a bit like monster or red bull.
I only drink non-alcoholic beer, I'm going to stop buying Brewdog (just ordered to crate of Big Drop to try) now except in a pub if they only is choice between Becks Blue and a non alcoholic Brewdog then my morals will go out the window.
The Times is reporting today the the self “ethical” CEO took interest free loans from the firm,
Was in the FT last week. Basically they sold themselves to a Venture Capital firm and need an IPO for return. The leasing the jets from the CEO's 'company' was a joke. I've bought the beer occasionally, and liked the IPAs, but done now. I won't be alone.
Expect some backpedaling as the VCs worry about their exit strategy.
I only drink non-alcoholic beer
https://www.tinyrebel.co.uk/browse/c-BEERS-5/c-Non-Alc-58
Much better than Big Drop.
goldy looking can
More of a Welsh rap / Krautrock fusion thing.
I wish this was a thing.
Basically they sold themselves to a Venture Capital firm and need an IPO for return.
They issued and sold an equivalent of 20% for a £200 million injection, which suggested an insane valuation of £1 billion for a company that struggles to makes a significant profit. It never made sense to me but reading further the VC has an 18% preference which means the other shareholders need to do a deal quickly before they are massively diluted.
That can prize story is really taking the piss!
Yep - Brewdog have lost my business too. Advertising a prize that's worth £15k that's only worth £500 at best is pretty low.
We'll find out next that Omaze houses aren't worth £3.5m and are riddled with new-build issues - like a bit of flooding every year! 🤣
From the FT article..
That is made harder by the fact that TSG, which declined to comment for this article, is guaranteed an 18 per cent compounding annual return on its 22 per cent holding in the event of an IPO or sale. This return takes priority over other shareholders, according to BrewDog’s prospectus, meaning newer investors risk making nothing or losing money even if the company’s value rises.
“If BrewDog raise the maximum £50m at the current valuation of just under £2bn, investors in the latest UK Equity for Punks crowdfund would only get their money back if the company sells for [about] £2.2bn in 2024,” said Myrto Lalacos, investment executive at venture capital firm Praetura Ventures.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ad0e222-a35b-4ae8-aa16-27f1feb964a5
I really can't see how one can get anywhere near that valuation and clearly it was disingenuous to suggest the company was being valued at £1 billion when they did the TSG deal because such a high yield preference clearly makes TSG's shares considerably more valuable than any other class.
Ah but it's not about making money, it's about being punk and sticking it to the man! Take down the fusty old stockmarket establishment for a minimum investment of just £50! Cough up, suckers.
I only drink non-alcoholic beer, I’m going to stop buying Brewdog (just ordered to crate of Big Drop to try) now except in a pub if they only is choice between Becks Blue and a non alcoholic Brewdog then my morals will go out the window.
Done some dedicated teetotalling this last year and cannot find better than Brewdog, sad to say - tried loads of others but Punk AF and nanny state are top dog (by miles, imho).
TO be fair their purchase of the Kinrara estate has made the Scottish Gamekeepers Association absolutely furious. On that basis I assume it is a good thing for the environment and local wildlife.
@woodpile that sweeping statement would have been indefensible even if your beer of choice was a very good one. Even tougher when the one you choose is absolute tramp piss
Done some dedicated teetotalling this last year and cannot find better than Brewdog, sad to say – tried loads of others but Punk AF and nanny state are top dog (by miles, imho).
Not quite AF but try Small Beer or Kernel’s Table Beer. About 2.5-3%.
TO be fair their purchase of the Kinrara estate has made the Scottish Gamekeepers Association absolutely furious. On that basis I assume it is a good thing for the environment and local wildlife.
On that basis I might occasionally allow myself to buy Brewdog again, funding the infuriation of SGA! 😎
Done some dedicated teetotalling this last year and cannot find better than Brewdog, sad to say – tried loads of others but Punk AF and nanny state are top dog (by miles, imho).
Yeah Nanny State is lovely. Can't stand their Lost AF - smells odd. I've stopped buying anything Brewdog now though.
I'm sampling Adnams offerings at the moment - Sole Star is quite nice. But Bitburger Drive less so - a generic pilsner kinda thing. Big Drop, mentioned above, I liked too.
A closer real-world valuation would be somewhere around £12.50 a share, which is what the price was on the last trading day (IIRC).
Oranjeboom 8.5.
Far more taste, a lot more bang for your buck and a lot less bullshit.
Because InBev are a shining light of corporate responsibility?
This brewery has an excellent range of AF beers. Not cheap but really very good:
https://www.nirvanabrewery.com/
I’d hold off on the celebration for Kinrara until it’s seen what these muppets will actually do with it.
They’ll have to kill a fair few deer when it interferes with their carbon offset money.
A closer real-world valuation would be somewhere around £12.50 a share, which is what the price was on the last trading day (IIRC).
Not any world I have lived in, it still £1 billion for a company that struggles to make profits in a crowded market place.
I’d hold off on the celebration for Kinrara until it’s seen what these muppets will actually do with it.
They’ll have to kill a fair few deer when it interferes with their carbon offset money.
I thought you were fine with killing things Brads, certainly the industry you are quick to defend is build on the very premise of killing things.
I suspect Brewdog are much less likely to kill raptors than tradition DGM owners so that is fine with me.
Done some dedicated teetotalling this last year and cannot find better than Brewdog,
Have you tried Brooklyn special effects?
It's way ahead of any other non alcoholic beer I've tasted.
That second one comes with it’s own shit caravan to go with the shit interior. All for a bargain 200k.
ACKchually the listing points out:
Price - Offers over £200,000 are invited. Static Caravan is not included.
TBF no-one is going to renovate that house. They'd knock down and rebuild. The house probably has a negative value so that the land would be worth more without it. If you could orient it away from the road and baffle noise with trees, could it be quite nice?
If they say the prize is £15k and it's only worth £500, how much trouble can they really get into? I'm sure the ASA can't make them pay up
I’m sure the ASA can’t make them pay up
ASA always seem somewhat toothless with as far as I am aware the only option being "dont do it again" at which point the company goes sure and next times advertises a solid silver variant.
On a broader note it is disappointing about them. It did seem they would give an alternative to the normal get brought out by budweiser or whoever owns carling but sadly it does seem its a choice between stay small or get brought out whether thats by a crap beer co or a VC.
For that second house. I suspect it could be quite nice done up or replaced depending on how the A9 is changed. Sadly the pricing doesnt seem completely nuts for the area.
It will be interested to see what they make of that estate. If they get it somewhat closer to the woodland which still exists round glenmore lodge it would be impressive and a nice break from the burn it and shoot it approach of the past.
Done some dedicated teetotalling this last year and cannot find better than Brewdog, sad to say – tried loads of others but Punk AF and nanny state are top dog (by miles, imho).
As said Brooklyn Special effects is good, as is Pistonhead Flat Tyre (watch the packaging, the alcohol free is blue and silver NOT black and silver), I've also enjoyed the Aldi Brewdog ripoff.
@franksinatra wind your neck in, I don't think he's ever defended raptor persecution or even tried to justify it. Unless you're vegan or hunt your own meat kindly stfu and leave those that do alone.
Thks for the AF suggestions - will try some out.
I used to like big brews but something about AF seems to really not support strong flavours - I tend to find them undrinkable. Seems like a tough target to hit, very easy to go too sweet or too bland ime. The Brew Dog Teds have it cracked - Infinite is very decent as well but their pale ale is very light tasting, might be too bland for some.
Seems the boys at Brewdog have been naughty again and have just had their wrists slapped by the ASA for misleading health claims for one of their puerile-named products - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57732529
The trouble with trying to be edgy and clever is that as soon as one problem gets publicity, everyone piles in to point out all the others.
The trouble with trying to be edgy and clever is that as soon as one problem gets publicity, everyone piles in to point out all the others.
The problem with being an undercover **** is that as soon as somebody points out that, despite appearances, you're actually a bit of a ****..... everyone piles in to tell you that they've always thought you were a bit of a **** too.
I really hope the swear filter is working today.
Sounds like they are taking the same marking approach as Ryanair.
Cause a bit of mild controversy and then get your brand spread across all the news channels.
Free publicity
They’ll have to kill a fair few deer when it interferes with their carbon offset money.
good. Deer are vermin in Scotland and need to be massivly culled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60054053
"We were continually told to ship beer to the USA, despite everyone knowing the beers hadn't been approved.
"Everyone was worried they'd be [fired] if they didn't do what was asked."
Some useful information from the CIA on how to undermine an organisation - not that I’m suggesting in any way that employees read and digest and make full use of such info…
https://www.openculture.com/2022/01/read-the-cias-simple-sabotage-field-manual.html
Disgusting beer with a disgusting culture at the heart of the business.
I refuse to drink their pish- rather have Bud Lite!
I refuse to drink their pish- rather have Bud Lite!
Steady on now old chap. Let's not be too drastic.
:O
I'm sure there'll be some fanboys along soon to defend them though.
I'm no fan of Brewdog these days. I think their beer used to be much better than it is now.
I refuse to drink their pish- rather have Bud Lite!
That's a bit much. I'd rather drink my own pish than Bud Lite!
I think their beer used to be much better than it is now.
I find it all really sweet now - more like an alcopop than a craft ale. Grim stuff.
I’m no fan of Brewdog these days. I think their beer used to be much better than it is now.
They changed the hops to a cheaper variety once Tesco picked up Punk. They would also really like you to forget the blurb on the side of their now out of production trashy Blonde.Dead pony is OK, but so many better beers about now. The played a part in starting the sorta revolution in craft beer, certainly in Scotland;so I owe them for that, but not enough to drink their beer.