the votes are protests at an open door immigration policies changing communities.
They get most votes where communities have not changed or not change that much.
Look at how shit UKIP do in London
Look at how shit UKIP do in London
UKIP came third in the London Euro election (less than half the votes that Labour got)
Makes me proud to be an immigrant Londoner.
They get most votes where communities have not changed or not change that much.
Hmm, is that true?
UKIP got a slightly higher but similar proportion of votes in the South East (excluding London) than for example the North East or Wales
They get most votes where communities have not changed or not change that much.
Look at how shit UKIP do in London
Much easier to get people to fear something when they have no real experience of it. Recent Conservative policy has been all about drumming in fear of others and an every man for himself attitude. Unfortunately for them they've over done it and it's bitten them.
Look at how shit UKIP do in London
Might not UKIP argue that as being part of their case though i.e. due to the makeup of the London population these days - turkeys not voting for Christmas etc.?
Look at how shit UKIP do in London
Another symptom of the disconnect between London and the rest of the UK?
London is completely different from the rest of the UK. Socially, culturally and economically.
Might not UKIP argue that as being part of their case though i.e. due to the makeup of the London population these days - turkeys not voting for Christmas etc.?
London is still majority British, and by a fairly clear margin.
Despite all the excitement, it is worth pointing out that only around 1 in 10 people in the UK voted for UKIP. So it's a big leap to say they represent the mood in the country as a whole.
London is still majority British, and by a fairly clear margin.
I'm sure it is, but a lot of its population have migrated to London (including me) or their families had previously migrated to London - but are still British.
bikebouy - Member
Good results all round for the believers in Democracy
33.8% turnout is good for democracy? Suggests to me that the majority of people still don't agree with anything any party says enough to go out and vote.
66% of those eligible to vote not doing so is anything but good.
I'm sure it is, but a lot of its population have migrated to London (including me) or their families had previously migrated to London - but are still British.
Bloody Croydonians, jumping across the London border in the middle of the night, wanting to take advantage of London Weighting.
I thought people came to the UK as it was much easier to get a job due to the "rightwing" employment laws.
And we have a winner.
The problem is here, not there.
The funniest thing in all this is that there are more immigrants arriving in the UK from countries outside the EU than from within.
UKIP want out because it affects business interests.
Disaffected tories vote for them because they think this country is still great and don't want those pesky "socialists" from the EU ruling over them/and or xenophobic
Working class vote for them because of the "darkies" down the road in their own communities, even though they aren't from the EU and have been entering the country since the 50's before the EU, but since UKIP have attracted candidates with racist views, better chance of them doing something than the BNP, or
Don't want Romanians and the like in their corner of the country taking british jobs for british workers, although the work the foreigners are doing they wouldn't do themselves,
Also vote for nigel because "he's the kind of privately educated ex-banker you can have a pint and a laugh with down the pub". 🙄
If ever there was a reason to remove the vote from stupid people, after all, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
The tories only want free trade and none of that EU other stuff, but to prevent UKIP from making further gains will lurch further to the right, thus guaranteeing UKIP policy on the EU.
And all this politics of hysteria achieved on low voter turn-out.
Its not really a surprise during difficult economic times that extreme left and right wing parties come to the fore.
Look at how shit UKIP do in LondonAnother symptom of the disconnect between London and the rest of the UK?
London is completely different from the rest of the UK. Socially, culturally and economically.
How true. Perhaps it's time to consider calling for a referendum for independence. After all, London's 7 million inhabitants would make having an independent state perfectly viable.
UKIP want out because it affects business interests.
UKIP is just a vanity project for Farage, he doesn't really care if the UK is in the EU or not. All he wants is fame and fortune, and he has hit on the ideal way to sell a simplistic lie to morons.
You will find very few businesses that want out of the EU, even the CBI which frequently rolls out ridiculous right wing ideology, is fully supportive of Britain being in the EU, with quotes like....
The benefits to the UK of the EU single market far outweigh the costs and it remains fundamental to future growth and jobs.We need an EU that is more open and outward looking and must protect UK influence as the Eurozone integrates.
A growing EU is in the UK’s national interest so we must build alliances with other member states to get the reforms we need.
even the CBI which frequently rolls out ridiculous right wing ideology, is fully supportive of Britain being in the EU, with quotes like....
Oh I wonder why.
Perhaps they are only committed to [i]"ridiculous right wing ideology"[/i] on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays ?
Low turnout...anyone that votes is in the minority. If you win 30% of a 30% turnout...big deal.
Woowhooo! What a result! I like! 😆
I will keep on voting UKIP from now on until we are out of EU. 😆
My prediction is this in GE: Hang Parliament with UKIP as King/Queen maker for now but let's hope UKIP will get enough seats in future elections to get us out totally without being in a coalition govt.
London area with ethnic diversity will vote Labour more instead of Tories and Tories will lose out more of their because they keep banging on the bogeyman UKIP. Interestingly you will see Labour being the party of big cities in future. 😆
Other areas with strong working class background will see an increase in UKIP due to Labour voters defection. Some die hard will still be there but it will be Labour against UKIP then.
Lib Dem will be condemned to history in the next general election and most of their supporters will either vote Green or join Labour.
Tories will loose grounds in many areas to UKIP making them less likely to challenge Labour without forming coalition with UKIP.
In summary for the predicted result for next GE:
[u]Labour[/u] will sneak in (The Eds are creepy lot) from the backdoor to win the next GE but with no majority.
[u]Tories [/u]will loose even more seats than previous GE.
[u]UKIP[/u] will gains all the seats from Tories and Labour from Northern regions, essentially making them on par with Tories in seat numbers.
[u]Lib Dem[/u] ... consigned to history once and for all.
Others small parties will join force with UKIP to some extend.
I win my bet so where are my pints? Curry? Fish & Chips?
Oh ya ... Tories will eat their words and may need to form a coalition govt with UKIP or worst case scenario UKIP will ask them instead.
p/s: The current political shites need to be turn upside down by rebooting the system. Too many zombie maggots infestation and too many jobworth in the govt.
A fascinating analysis chewkw, are you a UKIP candidate ? I reckon you've definitely got what it takes.
And the local elections?
Loving the massive swing to UKIP, and their huge amassing of councils under their control.
Labour must be well cheesed off. You wouldn't have thought they "won" the English council elections.
LibDem finished? Got 2.5 times as many seats as UKIP on councils. Got infinity times as many councils.
My prediction... next general election will be very different to the euro vote.
chewkw - Memberp/s: The current political shites need to be turn upside down by rebooting the system. Too many zombie maggots infestation and too many jobworth in the govt.
How is farage any different?
He likes to have a pint and a fag
You will find very few businesses that want out of the EU, even the CBI which frequently rolls out ridiculous right wing ideology, is fully supportive of Britain being in the EU, with quotes like....
Well I'm sure they want to be in the EU from a purely business point of view. The EU however is more than that.
LibDem finished? Got 2.5 times as many seats as UKIP on councils. Got infinity times as many councils.
They got less support than UKIP, 13% to UKIP's 17%. The difference in seats reflects the fact that LibDem votes tend to be concentrated in small pockets.
"Got infinity times as many councils" mean that they won two councils, or to say it more in keeping with your style, they got two more than nothing.
In Thursday's local elections the LibDems received less than half the votes they had received in the same local elections five years previously, I'm not sure any major party has ever experienced such a disastrous turn of fortunes in such as short time.
In Thursday's European elections the LibDems came fifth, beaten even by the Green Party, and they got one seat, or to say it more in keeping with your style, the Greens won three times more seats than the LibDems.
None of this was unexpected or represents a temporary blip - it's been a reoccurring theme for the last four years and all the signs are that next year's general election will be a disaster for the LibDems.
Are they finished ? I doubt it, they will plod along as a small ineffective party indefinitely imo. It would take a massive shakeup for them to have any chance of recovering, if they ever do.
ernie_lynch - MemberA fascinating analysis chewkw, are you a UKIP candidate ? I reckon you've definitely got what it takes.
No. Never unless I am the Dear Leader. 😆
Lifer - Member
How is farage any different?
Well, firstly, his spins are less sophisticated then those from Tories, Labour and Lib Dem. Secondly, it's not because Farage is that different from the rest but the rest are simply worst. Imagine Eds (one of them) being the next PM and Cameron continues with his looks (his looks when he is serious really doesn't work ... he is spineless). Oh ya, I hear that the upcoming stars of Labour or Tories with two of their Obama lookalike candidates have been mentioned ... Cummon! Cummon! They might have the looks but like wet fish they are too. 😆
Well you need to join before you can become leader. You ought to get onto their case.
Statistics tell us many things!
Daily Mail estimated daily print reader figures: 4,215,000 (Source:
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UKIP Votes in 2014 Euro Election: 4,352,051 (Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results )
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ernie_lynch - MemberWell you need to join before you can become leader. You ought to get onto their case.
I rather be the spectator to the zombie maggot world then join the hassle. 😆
ninfan - MemberStatistics tell us many things!
True, true ... they do. I think I can conclude that there is statistical significant with my fart creating tremors in other part of the world. 😆
it's not because Farage is that different from the rest but the rest are simply worst.
No, he isn't any different from the others, but he does do a good line in pretending to be a normal bloke (with the booze-and-fags act) unlike the professional politicians leading the other three parties.
ratherbeintobago - Member
No, he isn't any different from the others, but he does do a good line in pretending to be a normal bloke (with the booze-and-fags act) unlike the professional politicians leading the other three parties.
True, true, but trying to be normal I guess is not that hard. The problem with the other blokes is that they are just trying too hard to be Obama like. [u]Make no mistake[/u]! (Quote from a President that I can hear in many of the Labour blokes.) 😆
London is a special case in terms of voting. A significant proportion if those working in London commute in from outside. Those constituencies tend to vote Tory. Londons residents are disproportionality weighted by those living in social housing etc and are traditional Labour supporters. When you look at Greater London (so inc suburbs) its much more balanced Laboir/Tory.
On the Front Nationale Marine Le Pen has done a huge amount to move the party more towards the centre and away from some of the clearly racist tones that existed under her father. That is why they are much more electable now. They are not as extreme right as their opponents would like to classify them, in Framce you have the socialists on the left and the ump who are basically a centrist party. So you can be to the right of the ump but not extremist.
(@ernie I made that point about the us last night as I dont believe the conclusion from this election is to do with left or right but a tidal wave of anti-EU sentiment, people are voting for the eurosceptic parties whether they are right/centre or left)
As for those here noting that net migration is reasonably balanced you are missing the point that many British born people retire abroad that makes the figures for immigrants look less dramatic but hides the issue which is troubling many voters.
Farages "normal bloke" thing is just a small part of the appeal. The traditional parties are trying to clarify UKIPs popularity as being a result of disenchantment with established politics but that's because they don't want to admit that on Europe / immigration they are wrong and UKIP are right as far as the electorate goes.
As for the "only 1 in 10" people voted for UKIP, well we have a system that says only people that actually vote get a say, you have no voice if you stay at home. UKIP got 30% of the votes and more than any other party and that is significant.
What exactly is so bad about the EU? For me it means that I can easily work in another country, stronger environental protection, social and employment laws. It may be a bit of a gravy train but no worse than the city of London investing our pensions. At least the EU seems to want to make things better with a vision for the future rather than the anti politics nature of the UK. I would rather be like Sweden than The USA.
What exactly is so bad about the EU?
They want to straighten our bananas and ban eccles cakes, and errr some other stuff I read in the sun.
GEDA - MemberWhat exactly is so bad about the EU?
The question is equally applicable to 'What exactly is so good about [u]not [/u]in EU?
The answer is simple bureaucratic jobworth. There reach a point where bureaucracy is simply overbearing to the point of believing in self hype. A nation can function perfectly without complicating matters by becoming a superstate.
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stronger environental protection, social and employment laws
Stronger than what ?
Stronger than a single country.
A couple of simple, every-day things the EU has done are:
Reduced the costs of roaming on mobiles
Tightened rules on misleading airline ads
A couple of simple, every-day things the EU has done are:Reduced the costs of roaming on mobiles
Tightened rules on misleading airline ads
All that on a budget of only E130 billion!
Stronger than a single country.
A single country such as the UK is perfectly capable of passing laws concerning "environmental protection, social and employment laws".
It doesn't require 28 countries to get together to pass such laws.
Any which require international cooperation can and are agreed upon without the need to a member of the EU.
Love this thread. Keep on winding up the usual liberal left posters on here, guys. Farage for PM anyone? 🙂
28 countries are more likely to do something together than each doing it alone in many cases.
Edit: double post!
28 countries are mire likely to do something together than each doing it alone in many cases.
Well when you force countries to implement laws that they wouldn't otherwise pass on their own, then yes, of course.
But what is the justification of forcing countries to implement laws which they otherwise wouldn't pass?
What's wrong with being self-governing ?
Doesnt necessarily apply to EU law. How about the Montreal Protocol?
Except that this thread is about the EU and what is being discussed is the perceived advantages of EU membership.
I've already pointed out that laws which require international cooperation can and are agreed upon without the need to a member of the EU.
ernie_lynch - MemberAny which require international cooperation can and are agreed upon without the need to a member of the EU.
Posted 23 minutes ago
Silly me how dare I post anything on your thread I do apologise.
Except that this thread is about the EU and what is being discussed is the perceived advantages of EU membership.
The thread is about Europe, and the apparent rise of xenophobia and extremism.
