[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

May will clearly position the party in the Middle ground today. Imdo get all the lefties here want to try and portray the Tories as ultra right wing nutters but that's not going to work. She is aiming at the middle ground and latching on the the Liberal Elite message which has been so succesful, from her speech later today

“‘Too often that isn’t how it works today,” Mrs May will tell the Tory conference in Birmingham. “Just listen to how a lot of politicians and commentators talk about the public.

“They find their patriotism distasteful, their concerns about immigration parochial, their views about crime illiberal, their attachment to their job security inconvenient.

“They find the fact more than 17 million voted to leave the EU simply bewildering.”

The nicest person I ever met was Spanish. She came to this country and improved the lives of everyone she met.
She bought with her some fantastic food and was genuinely one of those people you meet who change your life.
Don't deny me the chance to meet another person like her.
**** off you inward thinking racist bastards.
When the uk doesn't turn into utopia when we've got rid of Johnny foreigner who shall we blame next?

@binners it's about trying to see things in context, we are really not so bad and worrying about immigration etc does not make you racist. See Theresa's comments above

@zipp no one is denying you that chance. I have many very good friends in London who came here with visas, my closest friends are from US and New Zealand. My wife is French and I met her in New York when we where both working there, her full time with a visa and me on a secondment without one.

She is aiming at the middle ground and latching on the the Liberal Elite message

Oh good, now we're adopting Alt Right rhetoric from America.

How long before she starts talking about political correctness and the evils of socialist healthcare? Maybe her next speech will just be a bunch of poorly thought out memes.

Its about the direction of travel Jammers. It seems that there is now a rapidly escalating atmosphere of intolerance, which has been brought about by the legitimisation of racism by senior government figures, because it suited their aims during their referendum campaign. And to hell with the consequences.

Well... here come the consequences

no one is denying you that chance. I have many very good friends in London who came here with visas,

For goodness sake, think about what you're typing man!

They want to REDUCE immigration. That means FEWER foreigners and you're less likely to meet one BY DEFINITION.

Singapore, really that's your model?

Sure, we've got nothing to learn from a country that has gone from being outside of the top 30 countries for foreign inward investment to top 10 in the space of 2 decades. Or a country where real household income after tax and transfers rose 37% in the 10 years to 2013 compared to 2.8% in the same period in the UK.

Sure, we've got nothing to learn from a country that has gone from being outside of the top 30 countries for foreign inward investment to top 10 in the space of 2 decades. Or a country where real household income after tax and transfers rose 37% in the 10 years to 2013 compared to 2.8% in the same period in the UK.

You mean the one with labour shortages and a rapidly ageing populaton like Japan. The same one that then has the audacity to keep OFW's in slave conditions and complains and abuses them?

Hahahahah.

Right.

[quote=just5minutes ]Sure, we've got nothing to learn from a country...

I'm sure there are things we could learn from Nazi Germany - didn't their trains run on time?

I'm sure the present Tory leadership are exploring bonded slavery as the best option to replace present EU employment regulation

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Its about the direction of travel Jammers. It seems that there is now a rapidly escalating atmosphere of intolerance, which has been brought about by the legitimisation of racism by senior government figures, because it suited their aims during their referendum campaign. And to hell with the consequences.

You can't have it both ways Binners - people on here, you included, have previously, rightly, said that the referendum was largely lost due to a great many people's frustration over issues like immigration and the problems that large scale immigration has brought to communities, including the knock on effects on wages and jobs, and that Labour had pretty much abandoned these communities and not listened to their concerns.

Now though, as soon as someone starts talking about the issue and doing something about it, putting forward some fairly minor proposals, it's the dawn of a new holocaust, and anyone saying anything negative about immigration is fuelling the fires of extremism.

a great many people's frustration over issues like immigration and the problems that large scale immigration has brought to communities

Did it ever occur to you that there might be OTHER ways to solve the problem than simply getting rid of the immigrants? That immigration as a concept, and even free movement, might be useful for building the economy?

There are good and bad ways to solve a problem. The bad ways create more problems.

It kind of is though, isn't it - what ideology do the policies of anti-free market, anti-globalisation and right wing authoritarianism belong to, may I ask?

Lot's could have been done and could still be done for those communities ninfan, such as investment in infrastructure.

'control' isn't 'reduce'.

In the future we will see much larger numbers of immigrants coming to the UK. FActoiD.

Did the xenophobia exist before the vote in your opinion? Is it not better to see it and deal with it in the short term?

lefties here want to try and portray the Tories as ultra right wing nutters but that's not going to work

We don't have to try very hard. So far this week we've had:

- Foreign Doctors can f off.
- Foreign Students can f off.
- Everyone else who is foreign might have to f off if we don't get what we want from the EU.
- Employers must publish lists of foreign workers, the implication being that they should f off.

Have I missed anything?

worrying about immigration etc does not make you racist.

The tories this week don't seem to have got the memo, instead they've seized the opportunity to show their true colours. Never in my life have I heard such racist poison come from a mainstream political party. Nick Griffin eat your heart out.

Again... direction of travel.

You can't have it both ways Binners

If you actually read what I said in the Corbyn thread Ninfan, I decried the way the labour party had previously refused to address the issue. Leaving a vacuum to be exploited by UKIP. And said that in the end, the labour party proposals that Corbyn put forward were quite sensible. Mitigating the negative effects of immigration.

If a company (Sports Direct for example) only advertises positions exclusively abroad, to undercut local workers wages, that isn't the immigrants fault. Thats the companies fault. So the labour party is proposing doing something about it. Seems like a good idea to me.

Also more funds for communities with large scale immigration to help improve infrastructure. Instead of just leaving them to get on with it

Its the only thing I've ever given the beardy one any credit for

What the tories are doing is just pandering to racists, and (very conveniently) blaming immigrants for everything

theocb - Member

Did the xenophobia exist before the vote in your opinion? Is it not better to see it and deal with it in the short term?

it's not being 'dealt with' though, it's being encouraged.

the woman who did this:

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is now the Prime Minister, telling people there's 'no shame in being a patriot' - especially when that patriotism manifests as a dislike of immigrants.

I can certainly see why Singapore would appeal to certain voices on here:

De facto one-party state since 1959.
Judicial caning and the death penalty.
Uses overly broad legal provisions on public order, morality, security, and racial and religious harmony to limit fundamental civil and political rights.
Compulsory national service.
Foreign domestic workers are still excluded from the Employment Act and many key labor protections, and are barred from registering unions.
Human trafficking for domestic slavery and sexual exploitation.
Not signed up to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

I'm sure they have a lot to teach us. 😕

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/singapore/report-singapore/
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/singapore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2014/apr/21/singapore-address-treatment-migrant-workers

Don't blame the euros for our problems blame the ****ing tories

just5minutes » Sure, we've got nothing to learn from a country

A country that's built is success by treating migrant workers so appallingly,
http://sea-globe.com/singapore-migrant-workers/

Don't call Amber a racist:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035

presumably we should call her somebody with a dislike of people of other races instead?

I don't think we should have a situation where we can't talk about immigration. We must not ignore the fact that people want to talk about immigration and if we do talk about immigration don't call me a racist.

Of course we can discuss immigration without being racist - I mean that's what pretty much everybody on this thread is managing. I'm not sure if she is too thick to understand that not being racist depends on how you talk about immigration, or it's just something inconvenient she's ignoring.

presumably we should call her somebody with a dislike of people of other races instead?

Someone with legitimate concerns about the effect of foreign people on our culture, morals, and our quality of life.

I'm sure all the thick skinheads in Stoke on Trent also think their concerns are legitimate.

May demonising the "liberal elite". Hmmm, so the Tories are in favour of the illiberal - I get that. However I suspect it will be the illiberal elite that they want to look after.

Hey ho - I'm ok either way.

Ahwhiles. As I said, did this xenophobic attitude exist before the vote? Pretending it didn't is exactly how this mess began.

For real change to happen, you need to pull the paper from the cracks (which means accepting the ugly side of reality)
Did you think Dave and George were the salt of the earth looking out for the people?

The people of the UK aren't going to allow xenophobic political views to dominate for long.

Ssssssssh everybody. Theresa is telling us what 'a society that works for everyone' looks like. Let us rejoice in her vision

Everyone?

[quote=binners ]Theresa is telling us what 'a society that works for everyone' looks like.

Does it look like this?

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Someone with legitimate concerns about the effect of foreign people on our culture, morals, and our quality of life.

Those concerns can only come about by two assumptions. Either that mixing of cultures is bad; or that foreign culture is bad. Or both.

What stinks about this whole thing is the idea that if we didn't have the immigrants we'd be giving the jobs to British people instead. Of course, it's quite obvious that without the immigrants the jobs might not actually be there in the first place. So they must be glossing over that to hide xenophobic attitudes. I can't see any other reason.

Except perhaps fishing for votes.

Everyone?

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alt-right

It's almost as if there is a world wide resurgence of fascism.

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I mean, that's proof right there.

Well we know what the new 'Hard-working Families' is.

Apparently, a Change Has Got to Come. A bit like Ron Jeremy then? Perhaps that the new Tory philosophy. What would Ron Jeremy do?

And Farage is leading UKIP again. Nothing else to say about that really.

[quote=jambalaya ] worrying about immigration etc does not make you racist.

Anyone watching Mays speech at the conference?

To save you the trouble, let me break it down for you:

Panem et circenses.

Panem et circenses.

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If you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere.

If it means not being part of your utterly distasteful xenophobic race hate new world...I'll choose no-where thanks

utterly distasteful xenophobic race hate new world

Perhaps a little over dramatic 😆

Though I wouldn't mind the 'citizen of the world' moniker
EDIT: In fact could that be the new branding for 'outside the EU' UK

United Kingdom, citizens of the world!

I'll choose no-where thanks

mala tempora currunt

I'm not sure if she is too thick to understand that not being racist depends on how you talk about immigration, or it's just something inconvenient she's ignoring.

Whereas I'm not sure if you're too thick to understand that race and nationality are different things.

in case it helps

Immigrant:
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not an immigrant:
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I'm not sure we want any hysterical types moving in.

Insert your own joke about controlling immigration here...

So. Singapore is the model? A country smaller than the m25?
A place that needs photo bring money in to function, a happy location for the pink shirts who still need servants.

The stuff being spewed is offensive, most has no bearing in fact. I pity the people still in the UK who voted to leave when they realise that the government didn't invest in schools or health, the government didn't push house building, the government didn't work to make things better all of which the eu has no objections to.

listening to the snapshots on the radio news I'd say she has THM's online persona down to a "T"