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"Quite apart from my obvious prejudices for, you know, reason and liberalism and stuff, I honestly thought Johnson would be so much better at this stuff. Struck by how poor he is."
He's getting a right kicking, it seems. They're all lining up for a swing now.
He really is shit. I often have misplaced sympathy in these circumstances but he's brought all this on himself so **** him
not sure he or his (not actually Conservative) people making these threats can actually kick them out of the party.
Hammond's local party pointedly re-adopted him as their candidate last night.
Others though may be more at risk where they have been taken over by UKIP/brexit company.
I “think” the threat is to stop them standing in the next election… not sure he or his (not actually Conservative) people making these threats can actually kick them out of the party. They have no reason to support him in any way from here on in anyway…
By 'removing the whip' they're sort of kicked out, but lets be honest, Boris isn't the most popular man, well not even in his own house, but certainly not in Westminster.
He called his MPs bluff, and they didn't blink, what was a threat at the time, isn't anymore.
I suspect when this vote passes he's all but dead politically, especially if Corbyn doesn't **** this up and walk into the GE trap.
If Corbyn has been honest in recent weeks, then he and the rest of the Commons have the power to put this all back to the people, go with Ref2, an honest ref - it's not 'the same' v 'anything you want it to be', it's a starker choice, 'the same' v either a deal that makes us weaker and poorer, or no-deal which is worse.
Please, please, please, please, please don’t let Jeremy Corbyn **** this up now by being stupid enough to call for a general election?
If he can't **** it up - no one can...
I think Corbyn, and the other party leaders and key MPs, have everything lined up, for now, I don’t think he’s going to get panicky with his trigger finger at all… although I expect he’s getting a bit over excited… things are moving fast. I think you can safely concentrate on Johnson this week @binners. Give it a go…
The Lib Dems just got two new MPs in the space of as many minutes.
— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) September 3, 2019
Rebel Tory MP Philip Lee has dramatically defected to the Liberal Democrats – depriving Boris Johnson of his Commons majority.
The pro-EU former minister walked across the Commons chamber, to sit with Jo Swinson’s party, meaning the prime minister now leads a minority government.
👍 As predicted the restructuring has started just like in any large organisation. 😀
Going into the next GE we will see roughly four main camps and all of them will try to consolidate power by forming alliances. They have to.
Conservative - No deal
Labour - With a deal
Lib Dem - with a deal <- Lib Dem will loose their identity when they are populated with Labour and Tories defectors etc.
Brexit party - No deal
Others - mixed bags.
In the end it will go back to the square one similar to the result of the referendum. 😄
The prospect of Boris sat in number ten, powerless and impotent, at the mercy of the commons is just absolutely bloody brilliant! Technically, that could go on for years. I hope they actually do that to him just so we can all have a good laugh about it 😂
I would have loved to see the look on Dominic Cummings face when he lost his majority!
Scotland's had their pound of flesh, NI's had a go. Then we get this:
Sir Desmond Swayne, visible drifting into outright lunacy, standings up and shouts: "I once took a train to Manchester to negotiate the price and purchase of a Morris Minor. Having only purchased a one way ticket it wasn't a sensible negotiating strategy was it?"
I'm sure that sounded very witty in his head. Perhaps the other people in there told him so.
🤣🤣🤣 This guy's a bloody legend.
If he can’t **** it up – no one can…
I'm suddenly, chillingly reminded of Tucker's Law.
Now what we need is the rescue dog to very publicly be taken back as they don't feel BJ can provide a "strong and stable" home environment at the moment. Right before a house move isn't the time to adopt.
I’d love to see the humiliation of the Blonde shite, having to go to Europe begging for an extension.
Out.
Out
In.
Are we doing the Hokey Cokey now?
You do the hokey-cokey and...
DAMN IT!
Random thought:
Now that the Cons have lost the majority, does that render the DUP alliance redundant?
It certainly reduces their bargaining power for asking for another £3 billion
😀
Now that the Cons have lost the majority, does that render the DUP alliance redundant?
Nah they still need their support so still having to keep paying them off.
Philip Lee putting the boot in to Rees-Mogg now.
This is the gift that keeps on giving.
Not wanting to spoil the party but...
Johnson's most likely route to a GE is to suspend the Fixed Parly Act - that just requires a single vote majority. That would then give him a free hand to call an election.l think without going back to Parly.
It would take a huge amount of discipline across the broad sweep of opposition to stop that. I also think he would be free to pick the election date as well without going back to Parly so potentially aftr 31 Oct
Someone tell me wrong please!
Well he couldn't do it by 31st October any how (they're closed for a queen's speech remember) , but, even if he could do it in the time frame, I think everyone in parliament would see that for exactly what it is. Especially if he's just lost a vote to call a GE
In answer to cougar as well, bear in mind A GE is a guaranteed loss of their seat at the table for the DUP, they'll prop BJ up to the death, even if he doesn't want it.
He'd bring a single line Bill on Thursday.
Johnson is going to have to update his Churchill book to include how he kicked his grandson out of the tory party or at least his trying to.
Tad awkward.
Corbyn to make announcement at 6pm regarding a ‘change’ in Labour policy
Did this happen and just get lost in the noise?
He’d bring a single line Bill on Thursday.
It's got to be timetabled in, approved by PBL first. Then it gets read, then goes away for a while, then comes back with chance to ammend and so on. The process is intended to take about a year.
If there isn't an election, the EU won't extend again.
And.. with no deal illegal and no extension.. there's only one thing left.
Well - two. They've already suggested they'll extend for another ref.
Oh I think they'll enjoy watching BJ and the ERG twist more than enough to drag it out.
A special place in hell was it?
Macron will keep extending, he's a pragmatist. Merkel will keep extending because for German business it's "later the better and preferably not at all". Which of the 27 leaders is going to block an extension? I can't think of one.
The EU27 grants an extension. Leavers: "No, out now!"
The EU27 denies an extension. Leavers: "Why are you punishing us?!"
The Greek Olive Oil manufacturers will save us.
Speaking of Greece, has Turkey joined yet?
Emily Thornberry has just been on channel 4 news saying Labour still want a general election but not at a time of Johnson’s calling, suggesting January for a VONC
Thank god for that. It’s going to be brilliant watching him stew.
Just watching his performance at the despatch box today, it’s no wonder he’s suspending parliament. He looks completely out of his depth
Good move of Theresa May to be sat next to Ken Clarke, chortling away to herself as she watched him implode. She must be loving this!
Remind me,was Boris one of THM's grownups?
Good move of Theresa May to be sat next to Ken Clarke, chortling away to herself as she watched him implode. She must be loving this!
Imagine what it’s going to be like when she votes against him tonight and he has to withdraw the whip from someone who was Prime Minister six weeks ago....
No, the grown ups are all behind the scenes. They will start to play out their plan soon I imagine.
Imagine what it’s going to be like when she votes against him tonight and he has to withdraw the whip from someone who was Prime Minister six weeks ago….
If she does this, I will finally feel bad about her crying on national news. It's a shame her legacy is too right wing and toxic for the lib dems to be able to let her swap sides - that would be hilarious.
Why did no one tell me that the (current) leader of UKIP is called Dick Braine?
What a day.
Haha yeah I was amazed at how relatively little press that got 😂
This weeks Private Eye has got a brilliant article about him and his leadership win over Phil McCrakin, Mike Hunt and Hugh Janus
Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?
If she does this
Why wouldn’t she? What does she have to lose at this point?
It was my first thought today when I saw her sitting next to Ken Clarke, grinning.
It’s exactly what I’d do in her position