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What was my invalid claim?
That the time to stop it was before parliament broke up and that is was just down to the leader of the opposition to call the vote. When, anyone sensible, knew that the chances of success were minimal.
And Boris has sent a letter to Mps outlining plans to shutdown parliament that has produced an amusing reaction from Bercow and given the pound the wobbles. First Brexit news that's had me laughing out loud. Silly billy ****er.
To paraphrase Bomber Harris
Pathetic
Bingo !
was listening to the radio last night thinking “Great, the remainers have finally got a single clear strategy agreed.”. Seems like it was a bit too late. (Deliberately so?)
So the remainers are deliberately aiming for a no deal brexit?
Johnson must be scared of the opposition then.
House speaker doesn't sound too amused.
To paraphrase Bomber Harris
is that you, Mark?
That the time to stop it was before parliament broke up and that is was just down to the leader of the opposition to call the vote. When, anyone sensible, knew that the chances of success were minimal.
Oh, I see @dissonance. I didn’t say that I had some magic crystal ball to see whether the vote called for by a resigning Tory minister would get enough Tories voting for it… I’ve never claimed that… just that it was the last best chance to hold a vote that could result in a general election before our current exit date… giving the public a say in what happens this autumn… and that the leader of the opposition should have grabbed that opportunity then, rather than leave all the balls in the new PM’s court.
Johnson must be scared of the opposition then.
Doubt it.
He's scared of his own MP's who might not toe his new party line because they have a shred of conscience left.
These days that is kind of the opposition.
Actually... has anyone been up to the allotment to let Jeremy know whats happened?
Years ago I was crossing the road near mansion house with boris who was carrying some files and reading a paper at the same time. he walked straight out in front of a car. I shouted and grabbed him which made him drop his files and the car missed him by a foot or so. I helped him pick them up, he thanked me 'for saving his life, blimey!' and off he went.
.........I apologize profusely.
Bercow is seriously pissed off. His statement is spot on.
...."At this time, one of the most challenging periods in our nation's history, it is vital that our elected Parliament has its say. After all, we live in a parliamentary democracy.
Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process."
calm down guys
Corbyn is all over this
Well... its an extra few weeks to get the pruning and the rest of the winter preperations done.
Every cloud, and all that....
So the remainers are deliberately aiming for a no deal brexit?
Well Corbyn and McDonnell certainly are, they've been campaigning to leave for 40 years and their whole strategy from the start has been to ensure Brexit happens while letting the Torys take the blame.
Other parties? The SNP clearly have no problem with leaving the EU, they have been effectively campaigning to leave for decades since leaving the UK=Leaving the EU. The Greens are incredibly Euro skeptic. The Lib Dems were calling for a vote on EU membership back in 2007 and it was in their manifesto in 2010. Some of the others? I'm not sure, a lot of them have voted *for* Brexit in the HoC back in the early days. Boris himself was on a knife edge and could easily have joined the remainer side. Would you describe Boris as a committed Remainer?
So yeah, I don't think all of Remainers in leadership roles are very committed to remaining although I'm sure many back benchers are.
EDIT: This is a major digression based on an afterthought in parenthesis irrelevant to the point I was making!
I shouted and grabbed him which made him drop his files and the car missed him by a foot or so.
By the standards of this thread, this makes you culpable for the whole Brexit mess.
I wonder what the value of the pound will be looking like by the end of the day?
There we go… any effort to stop this government now likely to result in a post Brexit election…
TWITTER.COM Si when do the riots start? I've got something on tonight but I could be free after 7
I'm up for it! TO THE BARRACADES!*
* Once it's stopped raining, obviously...
Other parties? The SNP clearly have no problem with leaving the EU, they have been effectively campaigning to leave for decades since leaving the UK=Leaving the EU
Wrong - as is your assertion about the greens.
Edit - saw your point that its a digression - I agree. Lets keep it for another day
The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has issued a statement responding to the government’s announcement.
I am appalled at the recklessness of Johnson’s government, which talks about sovereignty and yet is seeking to suspend parliament to avoid scrutiny of its plans for a reckless no-deal Brexit. This is an outrage and a threat to our democracy.
That is why Labour has been working across parliament to hold this reckless government to account, and prevent a disastrous no deal, which parliament has already ruled out.
If Johnson has confidence in his plans he should put them to the people in a general election or public vote.
I'm sure this will all be in the history books of future generations with them wondering how the **** we allowed this shit show to happen.
I'd actually be up for marching but not sure what I'd be marching for now, unless 'the people' forcibly removed BoJo + cronies (which isn't going to happen) then it would just be a lot of shouting that's just ignored by the government...
Or is it just people like me with their apathy that allowed it to happen?
He’s scared of his own MP’s who might not toe his new party line because they have a shred of conscience left.
Tories? Conscience? Eh?
Great letter from Jeremy there TJ. Where did you find that? The press copies of tomorrows Morning Star? Or the Canary Twitter feed?
Or is it just people like me with their apathy that allowed it to happen?
If Johnson and Cummings are preprepared to tear up what passes for our constitution and effectively suspend democracy, then I don't think a protest march is going to do the trick.
I wonder what odds the bookies are giving on Boris declaring martial law by the end of the week?
Its a press release - widely distributed.I have it from the guardian but every major media outlet will have it.
The SNP clearly have no problem with leaving the EU, they have been effectively campaigning to leave for decades since leaving the UK=Leaving the EU.
Is that actually true? The latter bit I mean, would Scottish independence automatically have dragged them out of the EU or would they remain a member in their own right? Or is it Complicated?
(Apologies for the tangent but it's the first time I've seen anyone claim that, or even mention it.)
Its a press release – widely distributed.I have it from the guardian but every major media outlet will have it.
Do you think he might come out of retirement and appear on any actual media platforms? You know... the telly? Wireless? Newspapers? That type of thing? Its been a while...
Maybe after he's had his new shed delivered and transferred all the trowels and spades and spare plant pots from the old one. Next Monday, maybe?
I’m sure this will all be in the history books of future generations with them wondering how the **** we allowed this shit show to happen.
We did it by electing Labour and Tory MPs who then voted to enact Article 50, and then subsequently voting them in again while they both stood on a platform of leaving the EU.
Cougar - it's complicated. (and covered in other threads) 😉
We did it by electing Labour and Tory MPs who then voted to enact Article 50, and then subsequently voting them in again while they both stood on a platform of leaving the EU.
Labour opposed no deal brexit
and I cant find a mention of crashing out in the Tory manifesto
CONSERVATIVES.COM they talk at length about how theyre going to get us a great deal tho
We did it by electing Labour and Tory MPs who then voted to enact Article 50, and then subsequently voting them in again while they both stood on a platform of leaving the EU.
A perhaps crucial part of the chain of events that led us here. Also whatever diddies voted for the deadline
Is this the last final desperate ploy of the brexiteers?
Do you think he might come out of retirement and appear on any actual media platforms? You know… the telly? Wireless? Newspapers? That type of thing? Its been a while…
Maybe after he’s had his new shed delivered and transferred all the trowels and spades and spare plant pots from the old one. Next Monday, maybe?
Keep it to the Corbyn thread where it is equally hilarious. Don't want to spread it too thin.
80% of voters... yada yada. you know it by now.
Cougar, salmon et. al. maintained that an independent scotland would remain a member of the EU after separating from the the UK. quite a lot of people disagreed. basque region of spain was referenced ( setting a precedent ). but that's another discussion.
Labour opposed no deal brexit
They voted to enact Article 50 which would leave us with a No Deal Brexit if no deal was forthcoming. They have subsequently doubled-down on the "respecting the will of the people" argument.
80% of voters… yada yada. you know it by now.
Exactly 😉
I thought they had to leave the UK and only then could they apply to join the EU, but the EU were all cool as Christmas about them applying and said they were a shoe-in.
I'm probably wrong though.
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Corbyn: Labour will prevent a 'smash and grab' operation
Jeremy Corbyn has said that Labour will do everything it can to prevent what he described as a “smash and grab” operation on the part of the government.
“I have protested in the strongest possible terms on behalf of my party and all the other opposition parties that are going to join in with this in saying that suspending parliament is not acceptable, It’s not on,” the Labour leader said in a clip pooled to broadcasters.
“What the prime minister is doing is a sort of smash and grab on our democracy in order to force through a no deal exit from the European Union. What his he so afraid that that he has to suspend parliament in order to prevent parliament discussing these matters?
fine words, did sturgeon get hers out first?
no matter. now we will really see where we are i guess. on the bright side, at least we should get a result of some sort, so this is either coming to a head and will get put to bed, or we're going down the rabbit hole deeper, and we'll be doing so for the next 10 years.
place your bets...
10 years of shit either way. Worse shit if Johnson, Raab and co get their way… but years of shit ahead in any event.
Time for some democracy rallies.
Anyone else curiously excited by all this? My head obviously tells me this is pretty bad, and I still have faith a no deal will be prevented somehow, but there's a nagging thought in my head about what will happen. I sort of think **** it, we're on borrowed time anyway with climate change and unsustainable economics, so we might as well embrace the chaos and see what happens.
Time for some democracy rallies.
Yeah because walking through London with amusing banners has changed things in the past hasn't it?
Anyone else curiously excited by all this? My head obviously tells me this is pretty bad, and I still have faith a no deal will be prevented somehow, but there’s a nagging thought in my head about what will happen. I sort of think **** it, we’re on borrowed time anyway with climate change and unsustainable economics, so we might as well embrace the chaos and see what happens.
if I didnt have kids whom Im worried for, maybe
but I see them growing up in a low tax, low welfare privatised shithole eating crap quality chicken and going broke to pay for healthcare