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I now hope labour stay a leave party as we don't want the remain vote split.
Carry on grandad.
Well the dems and Greens have forged an alliance along with other fringe remain parties to not field candidates in areas the others are likely to win. There was a Welsh one (brecon?) where the greens stepped aside to allow a lib dem victory rather than dilute the remain vote.
I can't see tragic grandad going along with that. He's far to authoritarian..
Labour really need shot of him.
Well worth a read from the New Statesman
With Johnson, Corbyn and Farage at the helm, Britain is heading for disaster
The analysis won’t come as any great surprise to anyone, but the context is interesting
I now hope labour stay a leave party as we don’t want the remain vote split.
Carry on grandad.
+1
In some ways worst case scenario is Labour changing tack at this late stage having not put forward any convincing arguments for remain to keep their core support on side but seeing that they've lost traction, switching to remain and both alienating any their core leave leaning labour supporters and diluting the core remain vote that have already gone to LibDem/Green.
I notice that Mogg has asked
"Who needs the EU?"
following Englands world cup victory yesterday, despite having an Irish captain.
I can't fathom how the future success of our finance, service and manufacturing sectors can be correlated with Ben Stokes ability to smash a boundary through deep cover.
You may have missed this, but the words average leave voter, reason, sense and logic, do not make happy bedfellows.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/04/most-fragile-states-in-2019-yemen
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Just keeps on giving...
It gets better. Even as there's the prospect of the Tories self-destructing, Labour (or at least one of them) come to the rescue:
The Labour MP Sarah Champion has told the BBC’s Politics Live (not to be confused with the original) that if necessary she would accept no-deal and that she cannot be sure how she would vote on a no confidence motion, the BBC’s Andrew Alexander reports.
Dear god! Looking at her voting record, she repeatedly voted against Mays deal "as it didn't provide enough protection for workers and the environment" but now she backs No Deal.
Nothing like a consistent position, eh? Anyone would think that the average MP has no actual understanding of the subject and they're all just making up as they go along
Has anyone seen Boris brandishing a kipper on stage in the leadership hustings?
It's a bit bizarre and toe curling in his show of support for the Isle of Mans kipper smoking industry against the EU
Dead kipper/dead cat. I'm sure the upswing in the smoked fish industry will more than compensate for the evisceration of the rest of the economy.
I still don’t understand him waving pasties around in 2016.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49021081
Well done British politicians. Over there with your tactics and heavyweight negotiating abilities...
Meanwhile, in more unsurprising news, apparently a no deal exit will cause a recession. Who'da thunk it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
Kippers:
https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1151802012369072130?s=21
Tempted to drag up the pasty stuff again… to remind us that nothing has changed in three years. Donkeys.
Meanwhile, in more unsurprising news, apparently a no deal exit will cause a recession. Who’da thunk it?
I have heard even the fiercest of Brexiteers suggest that this will be case, with us not seeing any benefit for 50 years.
Does it bother them?
Apparently not.
After listening to James O'brian on LBC this morning attempt to converse with a 70yr old brexiteer i now realise why people voted for Brexit, apparently the EU banned the use of newspapers to wrap up fish n' chips and she doesn't like the fact that they do not taste/smell the same anymore, and the nice man from weatherspoons wrote in his magazine that he is buying his drink from somewhere else.
fish n' chips women highlights utter ignorance of brexiteers
Well that's me convinced..........brexit all the way now.....
In other news UK would be only country to trade exclusively on WTO terms says expert
Bloody experts trying to confuse us with facts yet again.
PS - on a more serious note how can we hold these ****ing idiots to account for their actions short of firing them into the ****ing sun?
Heard Jeremy Hunt on R4 this morning suggesting, amongst other things, that if we leave with no-deal, it's somehow the EU's fault . . . .
MPs have defeated the government and voted to prevent a future prime minister from suspending parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit. They voted 315-274 - a thrashing defeat for the government.
They voted 315-274
Do these traitors not understand democracy?
The vote included government ministers abstaining, apparently.
Does this mark the point where some Tory Remainers have actually developed a spine?
Their was a journalist last week (from the Spectator, I think) advocating an interesting theory as to why all these Tory MP's who despise Boris are now supporting him. They will now set about making sure that there is absolutely no way on earth he can deliver the no deal/moon-on-a-stick Brexit he's promised. So his attempt will fail miserably at the first hurdle, the angry gammons will turn on him and he will be ritually humiliated and turfed out as the shortest serving PM in political history. A lot of them are apparently relishing this prospect.
Just in case you were labouring under the misapprehension that we're not all just pawns in some posh boys parlour games
Heard Jeremy Hunt on R4 this morning suggesting, amongst other things, that if we leave with no-deal, it’s somehow the EU’s fault . . . .
Indeed - apparently they are forcing us to be poorer. It's like the caricature wife beater saying "she made me do it". I think we can look forward to a lot more of this as the consequences of Brexit emerge. My first thought was "nobody could be so stupid as to believe that", but then I thought again ...
315-274
53% to 47% so is that to be respected like 2016 or not respected like the result of the confirmation of the new EU president ?
Bring on the snap election when Johnson comes back with no amendment to the deal.
53% to 47% so is that to be respected like 2016 or not respected like the result of the confirmation of the new EU president ?
😀 True, true 🤔
She secured 383 votes to 327 against, said David Sassoli, speaker of the assembly. The threshold was 374.
With 52% support, von der Leyen’s victory margin was in line with recent trends. Current Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker received 56% while his predecessor Jose Manuel Barroso had 52% for his second mandate and 56% for his first term.
That is a "great" margin? 😂
Let’s see if Johnson can get more than 53.9% of the votes cast when our MPs have their confidence vote. May managed 51.5% last time.
On a lighter note. If anyone has a hour to kill and is interested, here is a podcast/pubcast made by Graham Hughes on Tuesday asking about how British farming can survive a No Deal Brexit. I'll give you one guess who the friendly Welsh farmer is he is interviewing 🙂
How did each of the front benches vote on this bid to keep Parliament semi-open on the run up to Brexit?
apparently the EU banned the use of newspapers to wrap up fish n’ chips and she doesn’t like the fact that they do not taste/smell the same anymore
If she remembers fish and chips actually wrapped in newspaper (directly as opposed to just the outer wrapper) she must be about 150 years old, that legislation dates back to the 19th Century. And, of course, it's the square root of **** all to do with the EU. If she wants her chips wrapping in newspaper there's nothing to stop her taking her own copy of the Daily Express and doing it herself.
I’ll give you one guess who the friendly Welsh farmer is he is interviewing
Hah, how cool. I'll watch that later, cheers.
They will now set about making sure that there is absolutely no way on earth he can deliver the no deal/moon-on-a-stick Brexit he’s promised. So his attempt will fail miserably at the first hurdle, the angry gammons will turn on him and he will be ritually humiliated and turfed out as the shortest serving PM in political history. A lot of them are apparently relishing this prospect.
Just in case you were labouring under the misapprehension that we’re not all just pawns in some posh boys parlour games
If this is true, and their intention is to do that ****’s legs and completely **** him over, then on this occasion I’m quite happy to be a pawn in their game.
I think Boris as a PM is the quickest way to a Brexit cancelation.
He is going to make suck a mess of it, it will have to be canceled.
I think Boris as a PM is the quickest way to a Brexit cancelation.
He is going to make suck a mess of it, it will have to be canceled.
This was sort of thing I was hoping for with Trump, Give him enough rope and he’d hang himself before he really made a mess of everything he could. As a way for the world not to see he was actually lining the pockets of him and his mates, unfortunately that’s not going to plan.
I worry that Boris will still be able to push through some crap or another, with no care for who or what it damages, just so he can get his moment in the sun...
Hope very much, that you are right and I am completely wrong.
think Boris as a PM is the quickest way to a Brexit cancelation.
He is going to make suck a mess of it, it will have to be canceled.
Quite possibly. I reckon he'll have no authority, have to call a GE, then Brexit and LD will take big chunks. We might end up with a remain coalition in power, or we might end up with a 2nd ref as a compromise which remain wins.
Boris may well come out of this smelling of roses. He's done all the Brexit posturing saying he's for it but will eventually kill Brexit and get plaudits from the other side as well.
I just hope we remain and he sinks without trace. We can all dream!
Boris may well come out of this smelling of roses. He’s done all the Brexit posturing saying he’s for it but will eventually kill Brexit and get plaudits from the other side as well.
I think he'll get through it more or less unscathed. Ultimately he'll blame everyone and everything else - the EU, remoaners, the wrong type of leavers, the Irish, Labour... and he'll get a cushy ride through the right wing press about how he was thwarted and how democracy has been overturned and people will buy his particular brand of bluffing bullshit.
He has done the usual classic though of painting himself into a corner before he's even started - bit like May's red lines before she even went into the negotiating room. He's promised to deliver Brexit come what may, put forward the option of No Deal, of shutting down Parliament (now largely averted) so he's sort of stuck. Whatever he does now will be seen as a failure so he'll have to blame everyone else.
the wrong type of leavers
chapeau
the wrong type of leavers
Isn't that the definition of Chris Grayling?
Something I’ve warned about in this thread over the past few years (and one of many reasons that I suspect we simply are not ready to leave on no deal terms in the autumn, no matter who is PM)…
The taxman's £226.33m Customs Declaration Service, responsible for delivering exports and imports processing, was also flagged as amber/red due to IT testing issues.
CDS will replace the Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight service (CHIEF), however concerns about the project have been repeatedly raised due to the tight deadline imposed by Brexit – currently expected to take place on 31 October this year.
There’s also stuff in there about the complications caused by preparation for whatever the hell is supposed to happen as regards VAT when selling into the EU after we leave (whatever way we leave).
Yeah, yeah, yeah... whatever...
it'll all be worth it when we can eat fish and chips out of newspaper again
A great thread on chocolate … for those that care about the details …
https://twitter.com/chrischilton64/status/1151759606139543554?s=21
But...
Hang on...
That would indicate that Boris isn't telling the whole truth...?
CDS will replace the Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight service (CHIEF), however concerns about the project have been repeatedly raised due to the tight deadline imposed by Brexit – currently expected to take place on 31 October this year.
The project to replace CHIEF started at least 15 years ago...
The bus Boris thinks he's going to inherit on Wednesday;
The actual bus he's getting;
He's a genetic mix up between an abandoned, racist sofa and a lying sack of shit.
Which is why he appeals to Tories and racists.