Blitzkreig?
Here Here for Anna Soubry there!!
I could just about hear her until the BBC faded her out and started talking over her!
Anna Soubry, who left the Conservatives to join the Independent Group, says "this is a 2 stage process - today was to see where the biggest support may be.
"A customs union got 264 votes and the biggest of all was a 'People's Vote'," she says, adding that both of these options received more votes than the prime minister's deal has on previous occasions.
"We go forward to Monday to find a compromise," she says.
"It is becoming increasingly obvious that the prime minister's deal needs to go back to the people," she adds.
Any clues what comes next then?
MW3 Friday if Bercow allows it, but probably won’t pass.
Long extention and another 6 months of this bullshit? EU will want Ref2 I’d guess.
Customs union and Ref2, so close, such a shame.
Friday fail, Monday panic??
Every motion loses
No deal loses 160-400
Common Market 2.0 loses 188-283
Efta/EEA loses 65-377
Customs union loses 264-272
Labour alt plan loses 237-307
Revoke A50 loses 184-293
2nd referendum loses 268-295
Managed no deal loses 139-422
and some bright thought this was a good a idea to put to the nation as a binary choice. 😕
Any clues what comes next then?
The grown ups take charge clearly and the maybot will unveil her masterplan.
Customs union and Ref2, so close, such a shame.
So close and another hand grenade lobbed in by TM halfway through by failing to resign.
We have no WA come monday, I do think this is leading to a GE which will have a lot of mud to be thrown.
How the hell can the opposition not pull in 300 votes for any option??
I do think this is leading to a GE which will have a lot of mud to be thrown
which is what JC wanted ages ago.
How the hell can the opposition not pull in 300 votes for any option??
This is stage 1, first bit is see what the feel is remove a couple and come back with more of an idea
2nd referendum with all those options on a proportional representation basis and parliament must implement the result.
Pinched from twitter.
Vote in Parliament on whether to have a 2nd referendum ~
Noes 295 (52%)
Ayes 268 (48%)
Well, another Parliamentary shitshow. If they drop the least popular option and vote again it will be even worse. The No Deal voters will never vote For something so this was as good as it gets.
Bring on the guillotines.
But they were all supposed to vote for any option they could stomach. Once again it shows their ignorance & arrogance imho.
How the hell can the opposition not pull in 300 votes for any option??
no one wants to be left holding the shit sandwich.
Hilary Benn hopes that May will listen to Parliament after IV2 on Monday.
Not much chance of that I'd have thought
5 ministers voted for CU
Mark Field (Foreign Office)
Stephen Hammond (Health and Social Care)
Margot James (Digital, Culture, Media and Sport)
Anne Milton (Education)
Rory Stewart (Justice)
What we do see is there is no desire for anything other than the softest brexit if we have to go
are these the fabled adults THM was banging on about?? The back bechers running the show, consolidate the options, make it a preference vote
Surely, if only for a sense of fairness those options should be put before the HoC again and possibly for a third time? 😉
Surely, if only for a sense of fairness those options should be put before the HoC again and possibly for a third time?
2nd referendum has already had at least three goes, but Customs Union would be an absolute disaster - worst of the worst.
Good to hear some sensible people out there. if TM believes in her deal and she knows the will of the people to back her put it to the people - ask them in a referendum. If you know that people want to back you then put it to the people!!
So ****ing simple
2nd referendum has already had at least three goes, but Customs Union would be an absolute disaster – worst of the worst.
really?
saves us from being at the mercy of our own government making trade deals
looking at the competence weve seen over the last 3 years.........
2nd referendum has already had at least three goes, but Customs Union would be an absolute disaster – worst of the worst.
So what is your way forward Mefty? How do you get this through?
Nice to see Bill Cash ranting on about how it's not his fault as he is defending the will of the people as based on the referendum and not voting for May's deal is not his problem....
Jesus wept, 8 options and all of them defeated. New option, just do a Belgium and trundle along until the country says **** it and resets.
and Bill Cash sums life up properly
"People voted by 17.4 million for the Idea of leaving the EU"
Exactly the idea
OK... trying not to sound patronising for a moment - **** off and shut up at the back
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Jesus wept, 8 options and all of them defeated. New option, just do a Belgium and trundle along until the country says **** it and resets.
This is not the same as a vote in normal terms, this is really you show me yours I show you mine.
It's about worming out what is really not acceptable for a start, get rid of the losers and see what comes next - if we rule out the worst performers as options and look to preferences you get an idea where we are going.
This is not the normal day to day of parliament so don't judge it by those rules.
What it does say is May has no future along with her deal, confirmation vote is looking likely whatever we do.
What tonight reinforces is there's no "will of the people" brexit. There are multiple possibilities with no overall support.
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put it to the people!!
Yeah I agree mike a confirmatory referendum on which arrangement we should leave the EU with.
saves us from being at the mercy of our own government making trade deals
Well the only example is Turkey, EU get to offer access to Turkey's markets without Turkey getting the benefits of the trade deal under which that access is granted or having any say in those trade deals. You surrender absolutely everything on trade for the square root of bugger all.
That seems like a good idea, but we'd need to be certain it truly was the "will of the people", so a 60% supermajority required, with at least say 8 brexit options on the ballot.
If the supermajority isn't reached we remain. Sorted.
Full breakdown of how every MP voted
I'm inclined to agree, a second ref, a legal and fair one this time, with all that entails, might be the only way forward.
I don't like it, I quite like the high drama, but on balance, maybe it's the most fair way forward for all.
Mike, nothing is normal full stop and I can't see a way out this paralysis. I understand what you're saying but at the end of the day we have 2 days to do what should have been done 2 years ago and then a further 12 days to make it look good or...
...embrace the Belgian option!
Interesting.
*bangs head on wall*
*bites carpet*
*howls at moon*
take away their subsidised bars and lock 'em in the house until they can at lest decide something FFS. Incompetent shower of imbeciles.
I thought the votes went as expected? No? What did people expect?
One thing I still don't get is the line Labour front benchers are still pushing… even after that vote… that any withdrawal amendment that May wants requires a referendum, but any that Labour might arrive in future does not.
27 Labour MPs abstained or opposed Beckett, have a look at how many it lost by.
I think people don’t understand indicative. Mind you I’m not sure we needed a vote to tell us they can’t agree, but it is indicative of the issue.
Doesn't Beckett's proposal require a confirmation vote for all variations of Brexit? Labour whipped for this.
Full breakdown of how every MP voted
Our MP voted for No Deal, and against everything else.
Labour whipped for this.
But it doesn't apply if we have a quick election and Labour win. No, makes no sense to me either, argue with Labour front benchers, not me.
Labour manifesto in GE may say something like "we will negotiate a new deal but will put it to a referendum" Who knows?
Normally if Parliament cannot agree, you’d have a GE. The problem is that the GE is then actually about one topic only: Brexit, but you won’t actually be able to vote for your solution, you just end up voting for a party, so what do you do if, for example, you are a Tory remainer? We are never going to be in a position where every viable alternative is represented by a political party. I just cannot see any reasonable way out of this which doesn’t involve putting the options in a referendum.