Bercow pretty much ruling out MV3, would never has passed anyway, saved May a bit more humiliation
still shes got 1922 comittee at teat time!
still shes got 1922 comittee at teat time!
Bitty?
I’d love it, but we might win the battle and lose the war. We revoke, we’re ‘stuck’ in the EU for a decade – every swivel eyed right wing loon and Euro sceptic has all the ammo they need to ‘prove’ to the public the EU is the evil empire and we’ve all be cheated.
In which case a referendum will be called where a legally binding and acceptable withdrawl agreement, fully costed and explained will be put against remain as an option.
Are they voting on all tonight?
Meanwhile in Number 10 a similar discussion is going on about how May's deal is the only sensible option when it gets voted through
It will be the only option but nobody will vote for it, it's the only option.....
Yep 8 amentdments to be voted on tonight. better get the beers in!
which in the end will all cancel each other out
Yep 8 amentdments to be voted on tonight. better get the beers in!
Could be all over before then - DUP statement at 6, following May's 1922 meeting.
Anyone else think she's got them on side, and now is fairly confident she has the numbers.
Well BBC parliament has all kinds of views available
Some nice veiled threats from Andrew Percy 😉 I'll compromise but not as far as staying 😉 I think he might have read some of the whiney leave posts from STW 😉
Anyone else think she’s got them on side, and now is fairly confident she has the numbers.
Not the DUP
Union > Brexit
They will never vote for anything that threatens NI's place in the union or risks a united Ireland
Anyone else think she’s got them on side, and now is fairly confident she has the numbers.
I don't think that gives her the numbers still, she still can't push that through before the end of the debate and can't guarantee her remain rebels on board.
Well Kate Hoey claims Labour are whipping for 2nd Ref on this one.
Ohh she has handed in her notice before the next round of negotiations.
Which is, of course, the depressing bit. This was the prenegotiations which should have been the easier one. So how long will the proper one take.
Well when she finishes the first bit we can work that out, any end in sign yet??
Genius. Become so intolerably incompetent, obdurate and offensive to MPs and then offer to resign BUT only if Parliament vote for something it hates. See also JRM threatening to vote for the MV3 but only if DUP are on side first. Not very principled people this lot are they?
any end in sign yet??
Yes this Friday of course. Remember once a decision has been made it cant be undone since that would be undemocratic. The problem with her going is the nutters may vote for her deal working on the theory that they can then completely undermine and destroy it once they get one of their lot in charge. Already been murmurings that is a possibility.
Too late
Good news maybot 2001 has now VOWED the HS2 will go to the north of England..
I do hope that those who have the time are watching/listening to this BBC Parliament has the stream on now.
DUP statement been pulled till they hear what Bercow has to say on MV3 (or if May will offer them another £billion under the table...nudge...nudge...wink..wink....you ain’t seen me...roight?)
How many remained Tory Rebels are there? Hooey & Flint will vote against the labour whip, plus a few more. Are there enough Tory re,ainers with a conscience to block the latest ERG manoeuvres?
I think so given the numbers that have rebelled and the numbers making statements to that effect
So, even the acronyms and Roman numerals can’t keep up with this nonsense.
I saw ‘IV’ standing for ‘Indicative Vote’ but had to double-take as I thought for a second I’d missed Meaningful Vote III (the impossible vote) and we were approaching Meaningful Vote IV. The one where she fights Ivan Drago or somesuch.
We are an international laughing stock. Please make it stop.
Someone grow a pair, revoke A50 and say “well, what did you expect with your unicorns?”
Please.
Souby just about did, a few others getting there.
We also have some Tory MP's have been given their lines for this one - any mention of MP's changing their minds - suggest multiple referendums, never ending ones in fact #ProjectFear anyone?
also last list I've seen
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/70-tory-mps-may-deal-opposed
59 at the last count so still not eough - others like JRM need the are going to blame the DUP first
D'you know, I got back to the hotel as the sun was about to drop out of sight, Spiegel Im Spiegel on the headphones, and I got to thinking about Brexit and wondering what further outrages will be inflicted before the sun rises, and I could have cried, I could. I could have cried - still could.
/endvent
ERG Traitors are now flipping 😉 Backing the deal that is the worst deal and the betrayal to the Brexit that Fred from Clacton voted for. Going to be tight if she gets to bring the deal back - though if the indicative vote goes with confirmation vote it could help it through with that amended.
As an aside those MP's who are not invoking will of the people and betrayal are gaining my respect. We may not agree on every policy but a well thought out argument is a lot better than the other options of just shouting complaints or abuse.
What it does show is that the house is divided in many ways.
I'm more concerned that we might end up with Boris the cretin leading the next lot of negotiations.
mind you if the 120k tory party members vote him in I reckon they will have a fair few less mp's.
just horrifying thought that we will end up with that utter self serving arsebag as pm
mind you if the 120k tory party members vote him in I reckon they will have a fair few less mp’s.
just horrifying thought that we will end up with that utter self serving arsebag as pm
as is being pointed out a lot on twitter, if TMexit happens any leadership candidate will need to be an EU bashing mentalists who can out mental their opponents to win with the members - that will be the starting point of our future relationship.
A vote of no confidence seems like the preferable option
Meanwhile government spunks £12m on flat for negotiation of US trade deals ,
That's not a "flat" - that's bigger than my house, my sister's house and my parent's house combined!
I read all the info in the link there and it reminds me very much of a company I used to work for who had some sort of "Business and Sales Manager". He flew off to the US every 3 weeks for a week, 1st class every time, in theory at least he was promoting the company, getting business our way and it was more than paying for his flights and accommodation.
In practice, what he was doing was having a jolly old time on the golf courses and making his own connections. He got made redundant at the same time I did (so at least they'd seen through his little charade) but sadly he was on a 3-month notice period so they ha dto waste vast sums of money they didn't have paying him off.
This has all the same hallmarks. Hope the diplomat is a better negotiator than Theresa May.
A little light relief for you;
I have resisted posting on this subject as it's a bit like Marmite, but one sad thing that everyone should contemplate with the recent goings on in the HoC is that centuries of democracy have been overturned.
Now I know there are people out there rejoicing at the decision to not implement the democratic mandate and leave the EU (Single Market, Customs Union, ECJ), but all I can say is that a precedent has now been set and who knows what impact this is going to have on future democratic votes when they can so easily be overruled by the HoC.
I think it's very sad and I am getting my "Democracy is Dead" T Shirt printed soon.
but one sad thing that everyone should contemplate with the recent goings on in the HoC is that centuries of democracy have been overturned.
Can we s tick to cold hard facts - what has been overturned - specifically and exactly please.
Now I know there are people out there rejoicing at the decision to not implement the democratic mandate and leave the EU (Single Market, Customs Union, ECJ),
Many speakers in the house - which I'm sure you have been watching have repeatedly said is that we have a variety of leaves, the current withdrawal agreement does not match the Vote Leave (official leave group) position at the time of the referendum
but all I can say is that a precedent has now been set and who knows what impact this is going to have on future democratic votes when they can so easily be overruled by the HoC.
Can I suggest you read up on what actually is going on, and what the legal status of a referendum is.
I think it’s very sad and I am getting my “Democracy is Dead” T Shirt printed soon.
Check the first government being held in contempt of parliament.
so easily be overruled by the HoC.
This has only been possible because there is a minority government that is totally intransigent on its own proposal. In other circumstances Letwins amendment wouldn't stand a chance. In some ways this is happening because democracy has been stifled, and the fact that it has happened shows that our democracy is resilient even when we have someone who is trying to prevent it from functioning.
Parliament is sovereign. You should be pleased.
Rees mogg does seem to come across well on tv
a bit like putin
BTW is there a who's the next PM thread yet
Rees mogg does seem to come across well on tv
Wow, bold claim, comes across as a snivelling little gobshite who knows some long words and seeks to come up with excuses at every turn while taking no responsibility.
I have resisted posting on this subject as it’s a bit like Marmite, but one sad thing that everyone should contemplate with the recent goings on in the HoC is that centuries of democracy have been overturned.
Now I know there are people out there rejoicing at the decision to not implement the democratic mandate and leave the EU (Single Market, Customs Union, ECJ), but all I can say is that a precedent has now been set and who knows what impact this is going to have on future democratic votes when they can so easily be overruled by the HoC.
I think it’s very sad and I am getting my “Democracy is Dead” T Shirt printed soon.
FYI, Britain has only been a democracy since early 20th century.
Yep. That's a burn, lol!
Wow, bold claim, comes across as a snivelling little gobshite who knows some long words and seeks to come up with excuses at every turn while taking no responsibility.
ah so not like putin then
Watching the Eu mps on tv to be fair to them i think they dont actually give much of a shit
except tusk ...who also isnt like putin and doesnt use big words like the muggster
FYI, Britain has only been a democracy since early 20th century.
That's if you define democracy as universal suffrage. But that's not the only type of democracy.
People have some funny ideas about the definition of words. There can be good and bad democracies - it's not a synonym for 'fair' 'just or 'good' as some people seem to think.
everyone should contemplate with the recent goings on in the HoC is that centuries of democracy have been overturned
I fail to see how the democratically elected HoC doing its job is the death of democracy, rather the HoC simply rubber stamping everything because in a very very vague way its loosely what the public want* would be a complete betrayal of our democratic system just as every mp voting aye for everything the government puts forward and no on anything else because the government won one of our every 4 ish year referenda would be ridiculous. (note we're allowed to change our minds on who should run the country)
FYI, Britain has only been a democracy since early 20th century.
Fair point, but a precedent has still been set.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110990609047797773
Not exactly sure what is going on in the ERG drugs cabinet
Fair point, but a precedent has still been set.
Details please.., what exactly has been betrayed? How did this go against the rule of law in the UK?
The last few loyal Tory MP's are offering us an easy way out, an end to all of this we just need to say yes and we can go back to our lives
Is this the democracy flanagaj is pining for?
